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“I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.”
I don't ask for much, truth be told..
I'd settle for a life less frightening.

So, as weve seen, Gaia is a city with its share of dark alleys and dank sewers. A place where you can find any perceivable fix for your gluttonous urges. Junkies on streetcorners in cold digital moonlight, peddling virtual a** and every half-imagined perversion.

"And no one notices the crumbling difference between wrong and right."

Now, i'm not exactly the poster child for clean living, celibacy, drug free, sober, and law abiding. Of course not. I just happen to see the difference between what's appropriate for Gaia, and what isn't. So do most of you. The difference between having fun, enjoying yourself, making friends, and the squalid perversion, the stupid, pointless crap, and the flaunted, intoxicated bullshit that ruined chatterbox and is slowly turning GD into the second coming of one of the worst shitholes on Gaia.

So, as I've said, where does that leave the mods? Does it leave them cowering in some hidden corner, wishing it all would just go away and never come back? Squealing like frightened children after daddy's drinking binge? Not always, there have been a few times where the mods collectively have been tempted to just stand up and shout "screw this" then ******** off to the pub for an hour or twelve. It's a very tempting proposition. The idea has circulated that Gaia should be modless for one week, so people can see the crap that we have to deal with daily. To watch the forums go right to hell, because they are all that stands between the difference.

Of course, if they were to do that, the public outcry of "power abuse" and "not doing their jobs" would increase to a roar of bloodlust, from the usual dull roar they hear. Because, like it or not, some people think the mods aren't doing anything. They think they sit around on their proverbial thrones, casting down judgement as from on high, and abusing the populace at a whim.

Not saying that some of this isn't earned.

There have been lies told, users abused, rules flagrantly ignored and broken. There are some mods who don't do their jobs. There are mods who are more concerned with dragging their personal problems into everyones lives, making gold, telling everyone else how to do their ******** jobs, then actually doing their jobs. This happens. The bad seeds of corruption drop everywhere. Which is why the mod schedule is so slow. The admins do their best to weed this out. To keep the mod force clean. To keep the protectors of Gaia on the straight and narrow. We've lost mods reletively recently because they didn't do their jobs. We've lost corrupt bastards who didn't care if they ******** over Gaia. I'm not weeping over their loss.

Yes, they managed to get on the team. Mistakes have been made. Does this mean we should generate a massive public outcry to have all the mods scrapped? ******** no. Because, quite frankly, we're talking a one percent ratio here. And burnout is high amongst them. The stress of dealing with thousands upon thousands of people, hundreds of thousands of threads, millions of posts. It eats at your soul. It wears you down. It beats you senseless, and takes your feelings apart. It's a hard ******** job. And it never ends. It just doesn't stop. So, some shellshock may occcur, and some mods may go bad after being pushed, and pushed, and pushed, and pushed. Pushed far enough to make some very bad choices.

Can we blame them? ******** yes, we can. Some people just don't know when to stop and take a breather. Or when to retire. Or when to step back, and let Gaia know exactly how they feel by writing an expose in their journal to show people just how ******** their world is. ninja Sometimes people just give in to weakness and do the worst thing possible. Sometimes, it feels like the only option.

"and my friends are all a mess, they're all a mess just like me."

So, what do we do? What does Gaia do, to keep this s**t from happening? What do we all do to keep GD from turning into crap? What do we do to keep chatterbox under control? What do we do?

Well, without pulling a proverbial cristalnacht on chatterbox and GD.

Do we start a cull, and let the mods have access to the armory of banhammers, and unleash them en masse on chatterbox and GD, enforcing the rules with blood and venom and hate? Do we sweep the forums clean on a regular basis, just wipe all the threads out in a biblical flood? Or do we let it all just burn? Sit back and watch the flames from chatterbox, and Gd, and wherever it all goes from there. Just smile on the happy way to hell.

Or, do we change the rules of the game? Change the way the game is played. Make it enforced that enouragement will get you banned. Up the stakes in GD and chatterbox. Give reason to report, other than helping the site you've joined. Make a reporting a gold giver? Of course, that could lead to report abuse, but that's allright, since report abuse is bannable anyways. ******** em' if they don't do it right. They can get the ******** out. Tell people in GD what DISCUSSION ******** means. Up the mod force, and give them knives. Let spammers, trolls, flamers, and jackasses beware. ******** about in GD or chatterbox is a banning. No warnings, no crap, you ******** around, you're banned. You post in a thread that is blatant trolling, crap, spam, or any other perceivable bullshit.. and you're ******** too.

Sure, it sounds harsh. It is harsh. Why else would I take you all on a walk through the cesspools and gutters of Gaia? To show you just how harsh this system needs to be to keep these bastards in check. To show you how hard the rules need to be, and how tough the enforcers need to be to keep this crap in check. To show you that it's not the mods to blame for every indescretion and rule violation. That it's not the mods fault that parts of Gaia degrade every day. To show you that the users who live in these areas are solely responsible for the state of their homes. To show you that something needs to be done, because it's right outside your forum. It's right outside our door. It lives just down the street. It lives inside the slums. The places you fear to tread.

To show you that it's scary as all hell.

To show you that hiding in your home forums acheives nothing.

To show you that not everything is wonderful and pretty and full of extended discussion.

To show you these slums.

To show you what people buy with their silence.


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  • User Comments: [15]
    I'm surprised I actually read all that, but I'm kinda glad. I want to know more about how the mods work, and what it's like. I don't know if I've really ever wanted to be a mod. I know I'd probably say yes if I was asked to help, but I wouldn't quest for it (cough cough rolleyes wink ). The only reason I'm still in the CB is because there's at least two mods that I know I can count on.
    Now I'm just rambling.
    I hope the whole mod experience hasn't ruined you or something.
    And on we go into the slums.

    comment San Greal · Community Member · Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 01:32am
    mmmm.... journal entry. I'm not gotta edit my PM and say "wait nevermind, you updated" Ill just huggle the new entry xd
    I'm still for biblical floods..... but more mods and stricter rules would work I guess.
    The only real thing I want changes really really bad is the ban emails. They are vague as ******** and people are always in the Q&A with "Why was I banned" or worse writing a note to the mod that banned them stare If an email said a bit more, like what they posted that got them banned, or more info on the hacking they are being banned for. Times for the offences, you know, the proof that got them banned. People get confused all the time "I don't know how to hack" "I didn't scam anybody" If it was layed down with better detail they may get the point better and let the ban rest in peace. Also if it said they can PM an omnimod for more info, we tell them that anyway when they make a whinny thread.
    it's just an automated message though.. isnt it?

    comment Futo Maki · Community Member · Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 02:07am
    Quote:
    Not always, there have been a few times where the mods collectively have been tempted to just stand up and shout "screw this" then ******** off to the pub for an hour or twelve.


    man, that sure does sound like fun now. gaia turned me back into an alcoholic, seriously. XD

    gaia is too lenient on people, methinks. i got permanently ip banned from a forum for calling someone a c**t, back in the days of my flaming. xd now, if we did that, i'm sure everyone would be banned, and gaia would be a much happier place. like the bahamas or something. all the mods could kick back and chill.

    and the cool people too of course. cool

    [/ramble]

    comment teranoid · Community Member · Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 08:00am
    And we can call it BahamasOnline.com. cool

    But you're right. Gaia should be more strict. Although... I might get in trouble. ninja

    comment San Greal · Community Member · Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 08:04am
    Quote:
    To show you that hiding in your home forums acheives nothing.

    It's not like me going to other forums is actually going to make any difference... I can't wave my magic wand and make them all stop being idiots. I could go into say, GD and start complaining in non PG-13 threads but that won't achieve anything. I'd have to wait and be toasted while I wait for a purple to wake up because there are usually none around in my time zone. Even when there are, they have their own lives too. I've reported threads that have been clearly against the rules but never deleted.

    Don't Gaia mods get the mass moderation panel like you get in phpBB or does the forum move too fast to do this? I'm sure that kind of tool is what is needed, just to tick and remove all threads with bad titles. Perhaps the report system could be modified to show a preview of the reported thread and a delete button.

    comment MrMadman · Community Member · Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 11:45am
    Madman>

    Sure, the mods could just check all the threads with bad titles and click "remove".

    Then all the users in these threads get pissy because their thread "i like pussies" about kitty cats got deleted.

    Actually going into non pg-13 threads and complaining will just further the problem by bumping that topic. You could help by reporting threads that don't belong. Sure, they don't get removed immediately. At least you'd be doing SOMETHING.

    "It's not like me going to other forums is actually going to make any difference"

    And sitting in your home thread and bitching about newbs and jackasses isn't doing s**t, either. Getting defensive on my journal isn't making any difference, either. Yet, you felt compelled to do that. Bitching about how the mods don't remove them fast enough, or don't remove a thread you don't agree with doesn't do s**t, either.

    I wasn't attacking you. I wasn't specifically attacking anyone. Yet, you felt the need to defend yourself. Righto. What are you doing wrong that you're so paranoid of being attacked with? You report threads, so, bully for you. Yolu're doing something. Stop getting defensive.

    To clarify that statement: All the users who sit in their home forums and b***h and complain and whine about how GD and chatterbox are turning into crap aren't doing jack s**t. Bitching about a problem doesn't solve anything.

    That's the point of that statement. If you take offense, good. Shows you were paying some attention.

    Futo> Yeah, it's automated.. but it changes for the reason banned. The assumption, I guess, is that a banned user will read "scamming" and know exactly why they were banned.

    Of course, I'm assuming this is true, but we have a bunch of filthy ******** liars on Gaia who claim to never have scammed, when they actually did, and just want to deny it. Or,we have some obtuse ******** who think that what they do isn't cheaating, lying, scamming, hacking, or any other rule-breaking. These people need to be shot.

    comment Twistex · Community Member · Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 12:24pm
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    Then all the users in these threads get pissy because their thread "i like pussies" about kitty cats got deleted.

    If the situation is as bad as you say it is then perhaps we need a rule where something that could easily be an inudendo isn't allowed.

    Quote:
    Sure, they don't get removed immediately. At least you'd be doing SOMETHING.

    Perhaps I'd feel more motivated to report threads if it didn't feel like my reports were going into thin air. Most of the threads I report don't get removed at all, even the cyber threads. Those threads you posted in your past journal entries are examples of ones that lived for longer than they should have. Even if they do get removed, there are too many of these threads being created in short amounts of time, so there would be too many to handle. They'll go on, creating new threads when deleted, and creating new accounts when banned. You can't stop it. We can't stop it. Who can?

    Quote:
    And sitting in your home thread and bitching about newbs and jackasses isn't doing s**t, either.

    And when did I do that? Perhaps it's my blunt attitude towards this but if they don't come near me, then it's not my problem. If they do, then I just step over them. Let them have their fun. They want your reaction. Don't give it.

    Quote:
    I wasn't attacking you. I wasn't specifically attacking anyone.

    But you were still attacking. Trying to make us feel guilty. You did manage to achieve the effect you wanted - but I wasn't going to let you get away with it. I'm giving my reasons.

    In response to what you posted in WIHL, I know what you've done in the past. You had power to change things. We don't. We have to take a ticket and wait while they spread like germs on a petri-dish.

    Take note - My objective is not to insult or offend you. I just didn't like the way your last five sentences blanketed your thoughts around everyone.

    comment MrMadman · Community Member · Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 02:13pm
    I quit modding because I don't care enough about the general populace to waste my time abusing them xd Although I believe I'm making the transition to pseudo-troll lately

    comment Cassidy Peterson · Community Member · Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 04:29pm
    What if multiple people could report threads and if a thread gets X number of reports then it is put into limbo for a mod to review, the creator coould get a pm saying his post was voted into limbo and tell them to not contact anybody but just wait. In order for mods to not all go rushing to it perhaps all reports can be strung together on one page... I know its possible, they just need a php guy who looooves to make such fun features happen.
    I still cower from the GD and Chatterbox... maybe always will unless it was my job to clean them out. I just spend my time perusing, reporting minishops and such for art theft, Q&Aing and poking my head into C&T sometimes, but those are more well behaved forums.

    comment Futo Maki · Community Member · Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 08:16pm
    Madman> I was being general, so allow me to clarify more. Many threads that aren't allowed have very innocuos titles like "Favorite song" or "Look at this link!". For the mods to do their job properly, they have to go into every thread, read every post, and then take action. It's time consuming. Just doing mass removes is asking for a ********. We don't want that. No one can truly stop the ******** from just coming back on new accounts. I never said anything about stopping it. I was talking about trying to get it under control. Also, you report threads. I didn't say you had to report more. I didn't say you weren't doing anything. You're doing something, and that's all I ask. To be fully truthful, reporting things in GD is kinda like sticking them into thin air. I've seen Zahir and Kim (mods who spend a GREAT deal of time in GD) just dicking around in threads that obviously don't belong. Quite frankly, there are times when they really don't seem to be doing their jobs. Now, I don't have their side of this, but this is how it looks to me. Right now, all we can do is keep the reports coming in, and hope that they get handled. I never said YOU specifically sit in your home thread and b***h about GD and CB. Stop thinking i'm accusing you. You shouldn't feel guilty about this if you're not doing anything wrong. If you don't sit in your home thread and b***h pointlessly, if you report threads that need it, if you don't encourage trolls, spammers, and ********, then you're doing everything you can and I congratulate you. "But you were still attacking. Trying to make us feel guilty. You did manage to achieve the effect you wanted - but I wasn't going to let you get away with it. I'm giving my reasons." To be blunt and rude, because that's how I am; You don't LET me do s**t. You can't stop me from saying what I want. How you feel about it isn't my ******** problem. You deal with your own guilt, don't dump it on me. You have no valid reasons. You're just being defensive, and quite frankly, you are pissing me off. Now I'm spending my time explaining things to you that should be self evident. You're getting defensive when I have not specifically attacked you. I attacked people who didn't do s**t. People who complain and whine endlessly. People who don't ******** care that GD and CB are turning into cesspools. People who would rather flame the trollers, not file reports, and make the situationn worse. Dear christ, if I'm going to atatck somone specifically, then I'll name names. That's how I work. "I just didn't like the way your last five sentences blanketed your thoughts around everyone". Re-read my last five sentances. Does it have your name in there? Do you do these things? I never said you were going to like what I had to say. In fact, my first entry in this series stated that people weren't. You were duly warned.

    comment Twistex · Community Member · Thu Aug 18, 2005 @ 11:12pm
    Throughout your entire entry and comments you used the word 'YOU'. The tense in which you have written this article seems to direct any blame or wrong-doing at the reader, so all those references to 'YOU' would be me. The reader.

    I am not sure if that is what you meant - but that is how I interpreted it.

    That is why I am being 'defensive'.

    I know I cannot stop you saying what you want. You go for it. I am not stopping you, even if you think I can (which I can't). And I know you warned that we might not like it. But it seems what I have to say pisses you off too. So that is settled then.

    ---

    I kind of like Futio Maki's idea. They would have to use the IP data to ensure mules don't submit multiple reports. Anyone with knowledge on how to use an anonymous proxy could use that instead but that would be going too far for the average teen, I'd think.

    comment MrMadman · Community Member · Fri Aug 19, 2005 @ 12:01am
    hey, i'll agree with you: i post in threads that aren't GD material. xd

    the other day, i had a good old fashioned pic battle with someone. minutes later, i thought "WHAT THE HELL AM I DOING?"

    today, i posted in a thread that was made by a troll. i'm dating someone in real life who is labeled as a troll. (by both mods and users.) my mod life is ******** up.

    i'm not a good mod, but i do try. (: we handle reports, zahir more than myself, but they get done... eventually.


    domokun

    comment teranoid · Community Member · Fri Aug 19, 2005 @ 12:36am
    I for one am holding out for a mass-mods panel for warnings. That would be so, so bloody wonderful.

    comment fubenkunai · Community Member · Fri Aug 19, 2005 @ 06:40am
    But Twist gonk We DID try to implement a system punishing those who encouraged trolls and spammers! It was shot down by a higher up and /this/ is why GD is still as it is. stressed

    comment Yuzi_K · Community Member · Sun Aug 21, 2005 @ 02:28am
    No, Yuzi, that's not why GD is the way it is. It's not just that mods don't have the system for punishing encouragers. It's the fact that trolls themselves are going unpunished. It's the encouragers not even being told that this isn't allowed. It's the everyday user who pushes the boundaries too far too many times, and never gets called on it. It's the everyday user who pushes too far once, and never gets called on it. It's the regulars who think that spamming and hanging out in any thread they feel like is okay. It's the mods chatting right alongside them. It's the fact that people don't care. It's the fact that people don't say anything. It's the fact that nothing is getting done.

    It's the fact that the previous system was shot down, and we didn't try to make a new one.

    comment Twistex · Community Member · Sun Aug 21, 2005 @ 12:12pm
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