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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:00 pm
I mean, who here can read or write or speak or at least understand it? surprised
See, I was watching The Mummy on TV (the one from 1999), and I was wondering if any of us in this guild know the language.
I mean, I'm sure we all know at least some names, and I've picked up a couple words from all my years of research and study, but that doesn't really count. xd
So, how familiar are you with the ancient language?
**I of course specified 'ancient' Egypt, as now modern day Egyptians speak mainly Arabic, I believe.
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:06 am
Ii wy em hotep. Nasw bitty Menkheppera ka, di ankh mi Ra. Ankh udja seneb.
Sorry, I'm showing off now xd
I have a book on how to read hieroglyphics and from that I have learned alot of words from English to Ancient Egyptian. Here's what I have learned:
Ii wy em hotep: Welcome in peace (greeting) Ankh udja seneb: Long live the King! (farewell) Nsw Bitty: King of Upper and Lower Egypt Sa: Son Sat: Daughter Ib: Heart Ankh: Life
I recognised all of the 1-consonant sign hieroglyphics but I'm taking my time with the 2 and 3 consonant signs. The determinatives are easy to learn too because 1) there are no sounds to make and 2) What they look like usually gives away what it is about ie a man sitting with his hand near his mouth means emotions.
PS Yes Modern Egypt does speak Arabic.
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 3:38 pm
Rennie` Ii wy em hotep. Nasw bitty Menkheppera ka, di ankh mi Ra. Ankh udja seneb.Sorry, I'm showing off now xd I have a book on how to read hieroglyphics and from that I have learned alot of words from English to Ancient Egyptian. Here's what I have learned: Ii wy em hotep: Welcome in peace (greeting) Ankh udja seneb: Long live the King! (farewell) Nsw Bitty: King of Upper and Lower Egypt Sa: Son Sat: Daughter Ib: Heart Ankh: Life I recognised all of the 1-consonant sign hieroglyphics but I'm taking my time with the 2 and 3 consonant signs. The determinatives are easy to learn too because 1) there are no sounds to make and 2) What they look like usually gives away what it is about ie a man sitting with his hand near his mouth means emotions. PS Yes Modern Egypt does speak Arabic. That's awesome. biggrin
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:25 am
Wow, Rennie that is pretty impressive. :]
I would love to speak Ancient Egyptian. xD Maybe that is a study I can do at some point. :3
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:32 am
I miss a month, and see the Rennie is still kickin' butt at being a knowledge queen. ^__^
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:53 pm
Tammy-Seignfree I miss a month, and see the Rennie is still kickin' butt at being a knowledge queen. ^__^ WebenBanu beats me though sweatdrop lol
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:55 pm
Ambosie Wow, Rennie that is pretty impressive. :]
I would love to speak Ancient Egyptian. xD Maybe that is a study I can do at some point. :3 There are books that can help you, especially the ones that teach you how to read hieroglyphics. I find it useful learning an ancient language because if something/someone annoys you runt in that language and they will have no idea what you are on about whee
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:18 pm
I wanna learn Egyptian and Arabic so badly, but I am horrible at foreign languages. I know bits and pieces of a few, but none fluently. Hell, I am American, so I barely speak English correctly. XD
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:35 am
Tammy-Seignfree I wanna learn Egyptian and Arabic so badly, but I am horrible at foreign languages. I know bits and pieces of a few, but none fluently. Hell, I am American, so I barely speak English correctly. XD I must say that learning to read hieroglyphics is so much easier then learning to read Arabic! With the Egyptian language they are small words, sa is son, sat is daughter, hotep is peace, Ra is the God and sun and so on. The only difficulty is teaching yourself how to speak the language without the aid of vowels and learning around 3000 hieroglyphic signs ... good luck whee
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:55 am
One of these days I plan to learn the language, but for now I have to put that on hold. There's too many other things going on in my life right now. I'm thinking it'd be a nice thing to learn once I'm out of college, and I could dedicate more time to it.
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Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:11 pm
I am studying Middle Egyptian. 3nodding I have been for about three years now, though I'm not as far along as you'd probably expect me to be by now. LOL! If anyone's interested in learning Middle Egyptian, my friend Karen runs a Yahoo! mailing list called Glyph Study, where you can plug through James P. Allen's grammar along with other similarly interested amateur linguists. It always helps to have a group to work with- they can check your answers, help you reason things out when you're wrong, lift your spirits and keep you going when things get difficult. (This group also has connections with the Ancient Egyptian Language List, btw, where the skill level is much higher, so when they get stumped they still have somewhere to turn.) I never would have made it as far as I have without the friends who study with me.^_^ Personally, I don't find the lack of vowels to be the most difficult thing about the language- I rarely actually speak it, though I find phonetic reconstruction to be a fascinating area of study, and reading it only requires me to recognize patterns of consonant values and determinatives. What I find really bewildering are the verb forms- there is no past, present, or future tense per se but there are many aspects to the verbs which don't occur in English. Like being a repetitive action versus something that happens once, or the action of being in a state rather than actively doing something, or the action of doing something which is desirable or probable or contingent upon some other action. Heh. It's difficult to wrap my mind around them much of the time, and to make matters worse most of them seem to look exactly the same! Ha! So I guess that'd make writing Middle Egyptian a bit easier, but reading it... well, I can see why literacy was considered a magical act in old Kemet. sweatdrop Fortunately, a basic knowledge of Middle Egyptian is much more easy to come by than actual fluency, and still quite helpful to further study in the areas of linguistics, magic, or any other aspect of ancient Egyptian culture. smile If I ever manage to get Middle Egyptian to a satisfactory level, though, I would love to also study Old Egyptian, Coptic, and at least one form of contemporary Greek. heart
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:43 pm
Oh, I do want to know at least some ancient egyptian words and phrases... gonk But I'm an awfully lazy creature, and I'm not sure wich sources you can trust? I mean, isn't the ancient egyptian language pretty unknown? (at least how you speak it )
*sigh* ... but I can speak a little lapine! 3nodding
Hey, Rennie! Nice avatar! biggrin (I haven't visited the guild for a while, so I haven't noticed before) mrgreen
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Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:12 pm
Lokun Oh, I do want to know at least some ancient egyptian words and phrases... gonk But I'm an awfully lazy creature, and I'm not sure wich sources you can trust? I mean, isn't the ancient egyptian language pretty unknown? (at least how you speak it ) *sigh* ... but I can speak a little lapine! 3nodding Hey, Rennie! Nice avatar! biggrin (I haven't visited the guild for a while, so I haven't noticed before) mrgreen It's like Hebrew and Arabic, we aren't sure how the vowels are pronounced (I found that statement confusing ... can't remember where I read it though). For example the God Ra is spoken in two ways: R- ayR- ar (That's how I pronounce it anyway) We will never exactly know how the Egyptians spoke though, but it's close enough 3nodding Remember my thread on how people say Tuthmosis/Thuthmose, it's a bit like that.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:51 am
i kinda can, i mean, not as good as rennie of course but i can recognize a few of them and pronounce them pretty close...i think
my friends say if i speak something like a sentence out of the book of the dead, i really sound egyptian...freaky
oh, by the way, anyone know what that x kind thing is if you look in some egypt language books? is it like...the 'kh' sound? and this other sign that looks like a circle but with a thing through it...
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:31 pm
xslvrnitesx oh, by the way, anyone know what that x kind thing is if you look in some egypt language books? is it like...the 'kh' sound? and this other sign that looks like a circle but with a thing through it... There's two 'x' that I can think of: arrow In my book a 'x' means that this sentence or group of hieroglyphs have never been found so the author has made it up. arrow The other 'x that you could be refering to is the star like sign. This is pronounced as dwa.
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