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 Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:46 am
Hiya
I was just wondering if anyone can read and write hieroglyphics. I can understand the alphabet (or phonetic spelling) and I can write my name in phonetic spelling and even write sentences in hieroglyphics, just the alphabet. I am teaching myself now other words, I can recognise the words:
- God
- River
- Boat
- Goes to
- In
- Man
- Woman
- Love
- Worship
- Temple
- Lives
- And house
So what about you lot, can you understand hieroglyphics?
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:33 am
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 11:36 pm
Although I may not be able to distinguish the various symbols, I can at least determine when most works were completed by dynasty, kingdom, or sometimes even under which pharoh the work was done under.
Edit: ^^ I am not sure if that made sense. ^^
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Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:57 pm
I can't read hieroglyphics crying
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:58 am
I can somewhat read hieroglyphics. I've tried to teach myself, but I get so busy and wrapped up in other things, I never seem to really have the time to sit down and do it. *Only in the summertime do I really have the spare time* sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:33 pm
Nope i cannot read them whatsoever,just look like pictures in a line with eachother.
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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:47 pm
I'm currently studying Middle Egyptian with some friends, one of whom is running an online study group based off James P. Allen's textbook on the Yahoo! GlyphStudies list. They're at about chapter 17 now, I think- almost caught up to where my group with her is! So if you're interested in learning, you might consider looking into that group and working along with them- or up to them, depending on how advanced you are at this point. I also recommend the Ancient Egyptian Language list (AEL), which you can find through a websearch as I've too many browsers open at this point to look for it myself!^_^'
I'm really rusty on my studies, having put it aside for a few months while I was working on other courses. But I'm fascinated by the linguistic studies- and particularly the reconstruction of the vowels and pronunciations of the words. One of these days, I hope to take at least an introductory class in Coptic, and maybe attend a service of the Coptic Church (which conducts their services in Coptic in much the same way that the Catholic Church conducts their services in Latin).
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Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:04 pm
There was a book at my school Library I got that was talking about
the Rossetta (sp) stone.
And it showed the Alphabet. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 4:10 am
DJ Twissta There was a book at my school Library I got that was talking about the Rossetta (sp) stone. And it showed the Alphabet. 3nodding In my book I have on Ancient Egypt (which is about how and who discovered the ancient civilisation) it had a picture of the Rossetta Stone. It contains a written text printed three times but in three different languages. The first being Hieroglyphics, the second being Domestic (I swear it was Coptic neutral ) and the third being Greek.
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:55 am
La-Renaissance-De-Amour It contains a written text printed three times but in three different languages. The first being Hieroglyphics, the second being Domestic (I swear it was Coptic neutral ) and the third being Greek. I think you mean Demotic?^_^ It comes from the Greek demotika meaning "common," so it might be domestic in a way. It was actually not so much simply a common version of heiroglyphs, though, as a later stage of the language (and Coptic was even later- surviving still today, in fact!). It's a royal PITA to work with, I hear- even for professionals- because the handwriting is sooo bad. It tends to look a lot like chicken scratch. An interesting trivia point about the Rossetta stone: a lot of people assume that the heiroglyphic text "code" was cracked by working with this artifact, but it is actually not the proper inscription to credit. The Rossetta stone served as kind of a mascot for the study, giving people hope that eventually we might compare bi or trilingual inscriptions and be able to isolate the meanings of certain signs- and certainly it played a role in proving Champollion's methods after he had figured it out. But if that single most important breakthrough could be traced to any one Egyptian artifact, it would in fact be an unnamed obelisk in the collection of William John Bankes, which had at one time belonged to King Ptolemy VIII and his wife Cleopatra III. Bankes was hostile to Champollion's work, and originally did not notify him of its discovery and transport to England. I can't remember anymore how exactly Champollion came to be introduced to it- but I think it was something along the lines of a challenge issued by Bankes and meant to humiliate or discourage Champollion. Only it backfired- Champollion used some of his earlier work to match the names of the two rulers and isolated phonetic elements of their names, figured out that the pictures used to depict each sound were objects which began with the sound that they were used to write, and made rapid progress from there on out. As I recall, Bankes was greatly upset by all this- perhaps he shouldn't have baited the lion. 3nodding I'm getting this out of The Keys of Egypt by Lesley and Roy Adkins, btw- it's an interesting read if you're interested in the history of the discovery and interpretation of heiroglyphs. Highly recommended! ^_^
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 11:02 am
Alon Suvio Although I may not be able to distinguish the various symbols, I can at least determine when most works were completed by dynasty, kingdom, or sometimes even under which pharoh the work was done under. Edit: ^^ I am not sure if that made sense. ^^ Wow, how do you tell dynasties and specific kings when you can't read the signs? eek
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:57 am
I can read some hiroglyphics, I have a copy of the book of the dead that is all hieroglyphics and other books that do both english and hiroglyphics, I even had an egyptologiest who tought me how to make some of the sounds of the lanugue so I can speek some as well.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:19 pm
Nightachel I can read some hiroglyphics, I have a copy of the book of the dead that is all hieroglyphics and other books that do both english and hiroglyphics, I even had an egyptologiest who tought me how to make some of the sounds of the lanugue so I can speek some as well. The sounds too! Wow that is brilliant, you'll be speaking the language of the Pharaohs (that made me shivver, lmao).
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:45 pm
I can't read many hieroglyphs, but have been trying to teach myself the language... I can say a few phrases and words, but I doubt if I were in ancient Egypt anybody would be able to understand what the heck I was trying to say. The fact that we don't really have a for-sure way of knowing what it might have sounded like kind of doesn't help! sweatdrop
Still, I'm gonna try! 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:03 pm
I find the reconstruction of the language to be fascinating! Unfortunately, in order to really understand the reasoning behind various linguists' reconstructions you need to not only be very familiar with whatever ancient Egyptian dialects you're working with- but also Greek, the various Coptic languages, and probably several other contemporary languages as well! It's frustrating, but at this point I don't even have enough familiarity to completely understand or evaluate an explanation of a reconstruction after it's been handed to me. One of these days I may start on some form of Coptic, but for now Middle Egyptian is presenting me with enough of a challenge to keep me occupied! Oh, btw- my friend who runs the GlyphStudy mailing list says that they will be starting a new round of students in February! If anyone is interested in seriously taking up this study, get yourself a copy of James P. Allen's Middle Egyptian Grammar (makes a great Christmas gift! wink ) and join the list to get ready! This is a group of fellow enthusiasts, not a college course- so you won't get a certificate, but there are no tuition fees, either! If you can keep up with your homework (which I think is fairly reasonable), it can give you a great introduction to the language.
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