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still exists, so you will still get the view that the war was just a glorified squabble over taxation policy.
The French Revolution.
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were not nearly as bad of people as their contemporaries made them out to be. At best, they were victims of a corruption within the system that made a revolution almost inevitable regardless of their actions taken, and at worst they were just naive and incompetent. Of course to some this overlaps with Historical Villain Downgrade because people act as if their fault was stupidity and not active malice when they are clearly guilty, as seen in many surviving documents, of fomenting a civil war and trying to unleash a foreign army on their own subjects. However, after the Bourbon Restoration, the people who judged the King guilty were called regicides, and they were made into saint-like beings with their flaws played down and made into "tragic figures".
Maximilien Robespierre is the biggest casualty of this. He was a popular leader, beloved by the French public up to and during the Reign of Terror. He campaigned for minority rights, extending the right to vote to Protestants, Jews, and French Blacks, supported education for women. He also abolished slavery in 1794 and planned schemes for wealth redistribution. He was by no means the sole dictator of the Reign of Terror, though many of the death warrants were directly signed by him. Nevertheless, once he started to speak out against the corruption of the Committee they went against him, had him guillotined, and tarnished his reputation for all time. To this day, there is no street in Paris with his name on it or any major monument except in working-class areas such as Marseilles.
The Jacobin party as a whole were vilified as extremists by the Girondins and Royalists who succeeded to power after Thermidor and had prime positions under Bonaparte. The Jacobins were not innocent, but the Girondins were engaged in high-level corruption and behind the scenes dealing with Austria and England. They later declared a war against Austria, which Robespierre denounced as a Bread and Circuses move to divert away from the reforms they had consistently failed to uphold, and when the early phase of the war had started going against France, leading to Austria coming in hair's breadth of occupying Paris, the Jacobins supported by the Paris crowd went in open insurrection to protect the Revolution and the French people. It was the Jacobin party that led France to victory in the early stages of the Revolutionary Wars thanks to their open meritocracy, their culling of aristocratic nobles and royals from army positions, and introduction of Conscription.
For some reason, Napoleon the master propagandist is considered a reliable witness of the era he helped shape, so his lapidary judgments on his contemporaries often take up a disproportionate amount of place. Even when he talks about his Republican rivals or potential rivals (Hoche, Desaix, Moreau, Kléber...). Of course, Napoleon did win over them.
The most common misconceptions about Napoleon, namely his height (The Napoleon) comes from the success of English propaganda and the rise of the Anglophone. It is a fact that Napoleon was of average height for his timenote and no historian has found conclusive proof that Napoleon was driven to conquest because of insecurity regarding his height. On the flip-side, it should be noted that Napoleon published his memoirs a mere few years after his defeat, and it became an instant best-seller and cemented his legend, so even though Napoleon lost, he did write his own take on history, a highly self-centered and self-pitying one at that, but equally influential nonetheless.
The discourse of The Napoleonic Wars itself. The British argue that they were defending and liberating Europe from a tyranny, conveniently forgetting that they were the ones who first broke the Treaty of Amiens and started the war, after refusing to honor the terms of the original agreement (removing ships from Malta) and that they were themselves an Empire. Napoleonic supporters emphasize his meritocracy, modernization, secularization (liberation of Jews from ghettos) while ignoring the fact that he brought back slavery after Revolutionary France had abolished it, and the large scale colon
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:04 am
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still exists, so you will still get the view that the war was just a glorified squabble over taxation policy.
The French Revolution.
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were not nearly as bad of people as their contemporaries made them out to be. At best, they were victims of a corruption within the system that made a revolution almost inevitable regardless of their actions taken, and at worst they were just naive and incompetent. Of course to some this overlaps with Historical Villain Downgrade because people act as if their fault was stupidity and not active malice when they are clearly guilty, as seen in many surviving documents, of fomenting a civil war and trying to unleash a foreign army on their own subjects. However, after the Bourbon Restoration, the people who judged the King guilty were called regicides, and they were made into saint-like beings with their flaws played down and made into "tragic figures".
Maximilien Robespierre is the biggest casualty of this. He was a popular leader, beloved by the French public up to and during the Reign of Terror. He campaigned for minority rights, extending the right to vote to Protestants, Jews, and French Blacks, supported education for women. He also abolished slavery in 1794 and planned schemes for wealth redistribution. He was by no means the sole dictator of the Reign of Terror, though many of the death warrants were directly signed by him. Nevertheless, once he started to speak out against the corruption of the Committee they went against him, had him guillotined, and tarnished his reputation for all time. To this day, there is no street in Paris with his name on it or any major monument except in working-class areas such as Marseilles.
The Jacobin party as a whole were vilified as extremists by the Girondins and Royalists who succeeded to power after Thermidor and had prime positions under Bonaparte. The Jacobins were not innocent, but the Girondins were engaged in high-level corruption and behind the scenes dealing with Austria and England. They later declared a war against Austria, which Robespierre denounced as a Bread and Circuses move to divert away from the reforms they had consistently failed to uphold, and when the early phase of the war had started going against France, leading to Austria coming in hair's breadth of occupying Paris, the Jacobins supported by the Paris crowd went in open insurrection to protect the Revolution and the French people. It was the Jacobin party that led France to victory in the early stages of the Revolutionary Wars thanks to their open meritocracy, their culling of aristocratic nobles and royals from army positions, and introduction of Conscription.
For some reason, Napoleon the master propagandist is considered a reliable witness of the era he helped shape, so his lapidary judgments on his contemporaries often take up a disproportionate amount of place. Even when he talks about his Republican rivals or potential rivals (Hoche, Desaix, Moreau, Kléber...). Of course, Napoleon did win over them.
The most common misconceptions about Napoleon, namely his height (The Napoleon) comes from the success of English propaganda and the rise of the Anglophone. It is a fact that Napoleon was of average height for his timenote and no historian has found conclusive proof that Napoleon was driven to conquest because of insecurity regarding his height. On the flip-side, it should be noted that Napoleon published his memoirs a mere few years after his defeat, and it became an instant best-seller and cemented his legend, so even though Napoleon lost, he did write his own take on history, a highly self-centered and self-pitying one at that, but equally influential nonetheless.
The discourse of The Napoleonic Wars itself. The British argue that they were defending and liberating Europe from a tyranny, conveniently forgetting that they were the ones who first broke the Treaty of Amiens and started the war, after refusing to honor the terms of the original agreement (removing ships from Malta) and that they were themselves an Empire. Napoleonic supporters emphasize his meritocracy, modernization, secularization (liberation of Jews from ghettos) while ignoring the fact that he brought back slavery after Revolutionary France had abolished it, and the large scale colon
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:04 am
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still exists, so you will still get the view that the war was just a glorified squabble over taxation policy.
The French Revolution.
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were not nearly as bad of people as their contemporaries made them out to be. At best, they were victims of a corruption within the system that made a revolution almost inevitable regardless of their actions taken, and at worst they were just naive and incompetent. Of course to some this overlaps with Historical Villain Downgrade because people act as if their fault was stupidity and not active malice when they are clearly guilty, as seen in many surviving documents, of fomenting a civil war and trying to unleash a foreign army on their own subjects. However, after the Bourbon Restoration, the people who judged the King guilty were called regicides, and they were made into saint-like beings with their flaws played down and made into "tragic figures".
Maximilien Robespierre is the biggest casualty of this. He was a popular leader, beloved by the French public up to and during the Reign of Terror. He campaigned for minority rights, extending the right to vote to Protestants, Jews, and French Blacks, supported education for women. He also abolished slavery in 1794 and planned schemes for wealth redistribution. He was by no means the sole dictator of the Reign of Terror, though many of the death warrants were directly signed by him. Nevertheless, once he started to speak out against the corruption of the Committee they went against him, had him guillotined, and tarnished his reputation for all time. To this day, there is no street in Paris with his name on it or any major monument except in working-class areas such as Marseilles.
The Jacobin party as a whole were vilified as extremists by the Girondins and Royalists who succeeded to power after Thermidor and had prime positions under Bonaparte. The Jacobins were not innocent, but the Girondins were engaged in high-level corruption and behind the scenes dealing with Austria and England. They later declared a war against Austria, which Robespierre denounced as a Bread and Circuses move to divert away from the reforms they had consistently failed to uphold, and when the early phase of the war had started going against France, leading to Austria coming in hair's breadth of occupying Paris, the Jacobins supported by the Paris crowd went in open insurrection to protect the Revolution and the French people. It was the Jacobin party that led France to victory in the early stages of the Revolutionary Wars thanks to their open meritocracy, their culling of aristocratic nobles and royals from army positions, and introduction of Conscription.
For some reason, Napoleon the master propagandist is considered a reliable witness of the era he helped shape, so his lapidary judgments on his contemporaries often take up a disproportionate amount of place. Even when he talks about his Republican rivals or potential rivals (Hoche, Desaix, Moreau, Kléber...). Of course, Napoleon did win over them.
The most common misconceptions about Napoleon, namely his height (The Napoleon) comes from the success of English propaganda and the rise of the Anglophone. It is a fact that Napoleon was of average height for his timenote and no historian has found conclusive proof that Napoleon was driven to conquest because of insecurity regarding his height. On the flip-side, it should be noted that Napoleon published his memoirs a mere few years after his defeat, and it became an instant best-seller and cemented his legend, so even though Napoleon lost, he did write his own take on history, a highly self-centered and self-pitying one at that, but equally influential nonetheless.
The discourse of The Napoleonic Wars itself. The British argue that they were defending and liberating Europe from a tyranny, conveniently forgetting that they were the ones who first broke the Treaty of Amiens and started the war, after refusing to honor the terms of the original agreement (removing ships from Malta) and that they were themselves an Empire. Napoleonic supporters emphasize his meritocracy, modernization, secularization (liberation of Jews from ghettos) while ignoring the fact that he brought back slavery after Revolutionary France had abolished it, and the large scale colon
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:04 am
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still exists, so you will still get the view that the war was just a glorified squabble over taxation policy.
The French Revolution.
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were not nearly as bad of people as their contemporaries made them out to be. At best, they were victims of a corruption within the system that made a revolution almost inevitable regardless of their actions taken, and at worst they were just naive and incompetent. Of course to some this overlaps with Historical Villain Downgrade because people act as if their fault was stupidity and not active malice when they are clearly guilty, as seen in many surviving documents, of fomenting a civil war and trying to unleash a foreign army on their own subjects. However, after the Bourbon Restoration, the people who judged the King guilty were called regicides, and they were made into saint-like beings with their flaws played down and made into "tragic figures".
Maximilien Robespierre is the biggest casualty of this. He was a popular leader, beloved by the French public up to and during the Reign of Terror. He campaigned for minority rights, extending the right to vote to Protestants, Jews, and French Blacks, supported education for women. He also abolished slavery in 1794 and planned schemes for wealth redistribution. He was by no means the sole dictator of the Reign of Terror, though many of the death warrants were directly signed by him. Nevertheless, once he started to speak out against the corruption of the Committee they went against him, had him guillotined, and tarnished his reputation for all time. To this day, there is no street in Paris with his name on it or any major monument except in working-class areas such as Marseilles.
The Jacobin party as a whole were vilified as extremists by the Girondins and Royalists who succeeded to power after Thermidor and had prime positions under Bonaparte. The Jacobins were not innocent, but the Girondins were engaged in high-level corruption and behind the scenes dealing with Austria and England. They later declared a war against Austria, which Robespierre denounced as a Bread and Circuses move to divert away from the reforms they had consistently failed to uphold, and when the early phase of the war had started going against France, leading to Austria coming in hair's breadth of occupying Paris, the Jacobins supported by the Paris crowd went in open insurrection to protect the Revolution and the French people. It was the Jacobin party that led France to victory in the early stages of the Revolutionary Wars thanks to their open meritocracy, their culling of aristocratic nobles and royals from army positions, and introduction of Conscription.
For some reason, Napoleon the master propagandist is considered a reliable witness of the era he helped shape, so his lapidary judgments on his contemporaries often take up a disproportionate amount of place. Even when he talks about his Republican rivals or potential rivals (Hoche, Desaix, Moreau, Kléber...). Of course, Napoleon did win over them.
The most common misconceptions about Napoleon, namely his height (The Napoleon) comes from the success of English propaganda and the rise of the Anglophone. It is a fact that Napoleon was of average height for his timenote and no historian has found conclusive proof that Napoleon was driven to conquest because of insecurity regarding his height. On the flip-side, it should be noted that Napoleon published his memoirs a mere few years after his defeat, and it became an instant best-seller and cemented his legend, so even though Napoleon lost, he did write his own take on history, a highly self-centered and self-pitying one at that, but equally influential nonetheless.
The discourse of The Napoleonic Wars itself. The British argue that they were defending and liberating Europe from a tyranny, conveniently forgetting that they were the ones who first broke the Treaty of Amiens and started the war, after refusing to honor the terms of the original agreement (removing ships from Malta) and that they were themselves an Empire. Napoleonic supporters emphasize his meritocracy, modernization, secularization (liberation of Jews from ghettos) while ignoring the fact that he brought back slavery after Revolutionary France had abolished it, and the large scale colon
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:04 am
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still exists, so you will still get the view that the war was just a glorified squabble over taxation policy.
The French Revolution.
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were not nearly as bad of people as their contemporaries made them out to be. At best, they were victims of a corruption within the system that made a revolution almost inevitable regardless of their actions taken, and at worst they were just naive and incompetent. Of course to some this overlaps with Historical Villain Downgrade because people act as if their fault was stupidity and not active malice when they are clearly guilty, as seen in many surviving documents, of fomenting a civil war and trying to unleash a foreign army on their own subjects. However, after the Bourbon Restoration, the people who judged the King guilty were called regicides, and they were made into saint-like beings with their flaws played down and made into "tragic figures".
Maximilien Robespierre is the biggest casualty of this. He was a popular leader, beloved by the French public up to and during the Reign of Terror. He campaigned for minority rights, extending the right to vote to Protestants, Jews, and French Blacks, supported education for women. He also abolished slavery in 1794 and planned schemes for wealth redistribution. He was by no means the sole dictator of the Reign of Terror, though many of the death warrants were directly signed by him. Nevertheless, once he started to speak out against the corruption of the Committee they went against him, had him guillotined, and tarnished his reputation for all time. To this day, there is no street in Paris with his name on it or any major monument except in working-class areas such as Marseilles.
The Jacobin party as a whole were vilified as extremists by the Girondins and Royalists who succeeded to power after Thermidor and had prime positions under Bonaparte. The Jacobins were not innocent, but the Girondins were engaged in high-level corruption and behind the scenes dealing with Austria and England. They later declared a war against Austria, which Robespierre denounced as a Bread and Circuses move to divert away from the reforms they had consistently failed to uphold, and when the early phase of the war had started going against France, leading to Austria coming in hair's breadth of occupying Paris, the Jacobins supported by the Paris crowd went in open insurrection to protect the Revolution and the French people. It was the Jacobin party that led France to victory in the early stages of the Revolutionary Wars thanks to their open meritocracy, their culling of aristocratic nobles and royals from army positions, and introduction of Conscription.
For some reason, Napoleon the master propagandist is considered a reliable witness of the era he helped shape, so his lapidary judgments on his contemporaries often take up a disproportionate amount of place. Even when he talks about his Republican rivals or potential rivals (Hoche, Desaix, Moreau, Kléber...). Of course, Napoleon did win over them.
The most common misconceptions about Napoleon, namely his height (The Napoleon) comes from the success of English propaganda and the rise of the Anglophone. It is a fact that Napoleon was of average height for his timenote and no historian has found conclusive proof that Napoleon was driven to conquest because of insecurity regarding his height. On the flip-side, it should be noted that Napoleon published his memoirs a mere few years after his defeat, and it became an instant best-seller and cemented his legend, so even though Napoleon lost, he did write his own take on history, a highly self-centered and self-pitying one at that, but equally influential nonetheless.
The discourse of The Napoleonic Wars itself. The British argue that they were defending and liberating Europe from a tyranny, conveniently forgetting that they were the ones who first broke the Treaty of Amiens and started the war, after refusing to honor the terms of the original agreement (removing ships from Malta) and that they were themselves an Empire. Napoleonic supporters emphasize his meritocracy, modernization, secularization (liberation of Jews from ghettos) while ignoring the fact that he brought back slavery after Revolutionary France had abolished it, and the large scale colon
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:04 am
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still exists, so you will still get the view that the war was just a glorified squabble over taxation policy.
The French Revolution.
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were not nearly as bad of people as their contemporaries made them out to be. At best, they were victims of a corruption within the system that made a revolution almost inevitable regardless of their actions taken, and at worst they were just naive and incompetent. Of course to some this overlaps with Historical Villain Downgrade because people act as if their fault was stupidity and not active malice when they are clearly guilty, as seen in many surviving documents, of fomenting a civil war and trying to unleash a foreign army on their own subjects. However, after the Bourbon Restoration, the people who judged the King guilty were called regicides, and they were made into saint-like beings with their flaws played down and made into "tragic figures".
Maximilien Robespierre is the biggest casualty of this. He was a popular leader, beloved by the French public up to and during the Reign of Terror. He campaigned for minority rights, extending the right to vote to Protestants, Jews, and French Blacks, supported education for women. He also abolished slavery in 1794 and planned schemes for wealth redistribution. He was by no means the sole dictator of the Reign of Terror, though many of the death warrants were directly signed by him. Nevertheless, once he started to speak out against the corruption of the Committee they went against him, had him guillotined, and tarnished his reputation for all time. To this day, there is no street in Paris with his name on it or any major monument except in working-class areas such as Marseilles.
The Jacobin party as a whole were vilified as extremists by the Girondins and Royalists who succeeded to power after Thermidor and had prime positions under Bonaparte. The Jacobins were not innocent, but the Girondins were engaged in high-level corruption and behind the scenes dealing with Austria and England. They later declared a war against Austria, which Robespierre denounced as a Bread and Circuses move to divert away from the reforms they had consistently failed to uphold, and when the early phase of the war had started going against France, leading to Austria coming in hair's breadth of occupying Paris, the Jacobins supported by the Paris crowd went in open insurrection to protect the Revolution and the French people. It was the Jacobin party that led France to victory in the early stages of the Revolutionary Wars thanks to their open meritocracy, their culling of aristocratic nobles and royals from army positions, and introduction of Conscription.
For some reason, Napoleon the master propagandist is considered a reliable witness of the era he helped shape, so his lapidary judgments on his contemporaries often take up a disproportionate amount of place. Even when he talks about his Republican rivals or potential rivals (Hoche, Desaix, Moreau, Kléber...). Of course, Napoleon did win over them.
The most common misconceptions about Napoleon, namely his height (The Napoleon) comes from the success of English propaganda and the rise of the Anglophone. It is a fact that Napoleon was of average height for his timenote and no historian has found conclusive proof that Napoleon was driven to conquest because of insecurity regarding his height. On the flip-side, it should be noted that Napoleon published his memoirs a mere few years after his defeat, and it became an instant best-seller and cemented his legend, so even though Napoleon lost, he did write his own take on history, a highly self-centered and self-pitying one at that, but equally influential nonetheless.
The discourse of The Napoleonic Wars itself. The British argue that they were defending and liberating Europe from a tyranny, conveniently forgetting that they were the ones who first broke the Treaty of Amiens and started the war, after refusing to honor the terms of the original agreement (removing ships from Malta) and that they were themselves an Empire. Napoleonic supporters emphasize his meritocracy, modernization, secularization (liberation of Jews from ghettos) while ignoring the fact that he brought back slavery after Revolutionary France had abolished it, and the large scale colon
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:07 am
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still exists, so you will still get the view that the war was just a glorified squabble over taxation policy.
The French Revolution.
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were not nearly as bad of people as their contemporaries made them out to be. At best, they were victims of a corruption within the system that made a revolution almost inevitable regardless of their actions taken, and at worst they were just naive and incompetent. Of course to some this overlaps with Historical Villain Downgrade because people act as if their fault was stupidity and not active malice when they are clearly guilty, as seen in many surviving documents, of fomenting a civil war and trying to unleash a foreign army on their own subjects. However, after the Bourbon Restoration, the people who judged the King guilty were called regicides, and they were made into saint-like beings with their flaws played down and made into "tragic figures".
Maximilien Robespierre is the biggest casualty of this. He was a popular leader, beloved by the French public up to and during the Reign of Terror. He campaigned for minority rights, extending the right to vote to Protestants, Jews, and French Blacks, supported education for women. He also abolished slavery in 1794 and planned schemes for wealth redistribution. He was by no means the sole dictator of the Reign of Terror, though many of the death warrants were directly signed by him. Nevertheless, once he started to speak out against the corruption of the Committee they went against him, had him guillotined, and tarnished his reputation for all time. To this day, there is no street in Paris with his name on it or any major monument except in working-class areas such as Marseilles.
The Jacobin party as a whole were vilified as extremists by the Girondins and Royalists who succeeded to power after Thermidor and had prime positions under Bonaparte. The Jacobins were not innocent, but the Girondins were engaged in high-level corruption and behind the scenes dealing with Austria and England. They later declared a war against Austria, which Robespierre denounced as a Bread and Circuses move to divert away from the reforms they had consistently failed to uphold, and when the early phase of the war had started going against France, leading to Austria coming in hair's breadth of occupying Paris, the Jacobins supported by the Paris crowd went in open insurrection to protect the Revolution and the French people. It was the Jacobin party that led France to victory in the early stages of the Revolutionary Wars thanks to their open meritocracy, their culling of aristocratic nobles and royals from army positions, and introduction of Conscription.
For some reason, Napoleon the master propagandist is considered a reliable witness of the era he helped shape, so his lapidary judgments on his contemporaries often take up a disproportionate amount of place. Even when he talks about his Republican rivals or potential rivals (Hoche, Desaix, Moreau, Kléber...). Of course, Napoleon did win over them.
The most common misconceptions about Napoleon, namely his height (The Napoleon) comes from the success of English propaganda and the rise of the Anglophone. It is a fact that Napoleon was of average height for his timenote and no historian has found conclusive proof that Napoleon was driven to conquest because of insecurity regarding his height. On the flip-side, it should be noted that Napoleon published his memoirs a mere few years after his defeat, and it became an instant best-seller and cemented his legend, so even though Napoleon lost, he did write his own take on history, a highly self-centered and self-pitying one at that, but equally influential nonetheless.
The discourse of The Napoleonic Wars itself. The British argue that they were defending and liberating Europe from a tyranny, conveniently forgetting that they were the ones who first broke the Treaty of Amiens and started the war, after refusing to honor the terms of the original agreement (removing ships from Malta) and that they were themselves an Empire. Napoleonic supporters emphasize his meritocracy, modernization, secularization (liberation of Jews from ghettos) while ignoring the fact that he brought back slavery after Revolutionary France had abolished it, and the large scale colon
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:07 am
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still exists, so you will still get the view that the war was just a glorified squabble over taxation policy.
The French Revolution.
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were not nearly as bad of people as their contemporaries made them out to be. At best, they were victims of a corruption within the system that made a revolution almost inevitable regardless of their actions taken, and at worst they were just naive and incompetent. Of course to some this overlaps with Historical Villain Downgrade because people act as if their fault was stupidity and not active malice when they are clearly guilty, as seen in many surviving documents, of fomenting a civil war and trying to unleash a foreign army on their own subjects. However, after the Bourbon Restoration, the people who judged the King guilty were called regicides, and they were made into saint-like beings with their flaws played down and made into "tragic figures".
Maximilien Robespierre is the biggest casualty of this. He was a popular leader, beloved by the French public up to and during the Reign of Terror. He campaigned for minority rights, extending the right to vote to Protestants, Jews, and French Blacks, supported education for women. He also abolished slavery in 1794 and planned schemes for wealth redistribution. He was by no means the sole dictator of the Reign of Terror, though many of the death warrants were directly signed by him. Nevertheless, once he started to speak out against the corruption of the Committee they went against him, had him guillotined, and tarnished his reputation for all time. To this day, there is no street in Paris with his name on it or any major monument except in working-class areas such as Marseilles.
The Jacobin party as a whole were vilified as extremists by the Girondins and Royalists who succeeded to power after Thermidor and had prime positions under Bonaparte. The Jacobins were not innocent, but the Girondins were engaged in high-level corruption and behind the scenes dealing with Austria and England. They later declared a war against Austria, which Robespierre denounced as a Bread and Circuses move to divert away from the reforms they had consistently failed to uphold, and when the early phase of the war had started going against France, leading to Austria coming in hair's breadth of occupying Paris, the Jacobins supported by the Paris crowd went in open insurrection to protect the Revolution and the French people. It was the Jacobin party that led France to victory in the early stages of the Revolutionary Wars thanks to their open meritocracy, their culling of aristocratic nobles and royals from army positions, and introduction of Conscription.
For some reason, Napoleon the master propagandist is considered a reliable witness of the era he helped shape, so his lapidary judgments on his contemporaries often take up a disproportionate amount of place. Even when he talks about his Republican rivals or potential rivals (Hoche, Desaix, Moreau, Kléber...). Of course, Napoleon did win over them.
The most common misconceptions about Napoleon, namely his height (The Napoleon) comes from the success of English propaganda and the rise of the Anglophone. It is a fact that Napoleon was of average height for his timenote and no historian has found conclusive proof that Napoleon was driven to conquest because of insecurity regarding his height. On the flip-side, it should be noted that Napoleon published his memoirs a mere few years after his defeat, and it became an instant best-seller and cemented his legend, so even though Napoleon lost, he did write his own take on history, a highly self-centered and self-pitying one at that, but equally influential nonetheless.
The discourse of The Napoleonic Wars itself. The British argue that they were defending and liberating Europe from a tyranny, conveniently forgetting that they were the ones who first broke the Treaty of Amiens and started the war, after refusing to honor the terms of the original agreement (removing ships from Malta) and that they were themselves an Empire. Napoleonic supporters emphasize his meritocracy, modernization, secularization (liberation of Jews from ghettos) while ignoring the fact that he brought back slavery after Revolutionary France had abolished it, and the large scale colon
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:07 am
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still exists, so you will still get the view that the war was just a glorified squabble over taxation policy.
The French Revolution.
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were not nearly as bad of people as their contemporaries made them out to be. At best, they were victims of a corruption within the system that made a revolution almost inevitable regardless of their actions taken, and at worst they were just naive and incompetent. Of course to some this overlaps with Historical Villain Downgrade because people act as if their fault was stupidity and not active malice when they are clearly guilty, as seen in many surviving documents, of fomenting a civil war and trying to unleash a foreign army on their own subjects. However, after the Bourbon Restoration, the people who judged the King guilty were called regicides, and they were made into saint-like beings with their flaws played down and made into "tragic figures".
Maximilien Robespierre is the biggest casualty of this. He was a popular leader, beloved by the French public up to and during the Reign of Terror. He campaigned for minority rights, extending the right to vote to Protestants, Jews, and French Blacks, supported education for women. He also abolished slavery in 1794 and planned schemes for wealth redistribution. He was by no means the sole dictator of the Reign of Terror, though many of the death warrants were directly signed by him. Nevertheless, once he started to speak out against the corruption of the Committee they went against him, had him guillotined, and tarnished his reputation for all time. To this day, there is no street in Paris with his name on it or any major monument except in working-class areas such as Marseilles.
The Jacobin party as a whole were vilified as extremists by the Girondins and Royalists who succeeded to power after Thermidor and had prime positions under Bonaparte. The Jacobins were not innocent, but the Girondins were engaged in high-level corruption and behind the scenes dealing with Austria and England. They later declared a war against Austria, which Robespierre denounced as a Bread and Circuses move to divert away from the reforms they had consistently failed to uphold, and when the early phase of the war had started going against France, leading to Austria coming in hair's breadth of occupying Paris, the Jacobins supported by the Paris crowd went in open insurrection to protect the Revolution and the French people. It was the Jacobin party that led France to victory in the early stages of the Revolutionary Wars thanks to their open meritocracy, their culling of aristocratic nobles and royals from army positions, and introduction of Conscription.
For some reason, Napoleon the master propagandist is considered a reliable witness of the era he helped shape, so his lapidary judgments on his contemporaries often take up a disproportionate amount of place. Even when he talks about his Republican rivals or potential rivals (Hoche, Desaix, Moreau, Kléber...). Of course, Napoleon did win over them.
The most common misconceptions about Napoleon, namely his height (The Napoleon) comes from the success of English propaganda and the rise of the Anglophone. It is a fact that Napoleon was of average height for his timenote and no historian has found conclusive proof that Napoleon was driven to conquest because of insecurity regarding his height. On the flip-side, it should be noted that Napoleon published his memoirs a mere few years after his defeat, and it became an instant best-seller and cemented his legend, so even though Napoleon lost, he did write his own take on history, a highly self-centered and self-pitying one at that, but equally influential nonetheless.
The discourse of The Napoleonic Wars itself. The British argue that they were defending and liberating Europe from a tyranny, conveniently forgetting that they were the ones who first broke the Treaty of Amiens and started the war, after refusing to honor the terms of the original agreement (removing ships from Malta) and that they were themselves an Empire. Napoleonic supporters emphasize his meritocracy, modernization, secularization (liberation of Jews from ghettos) while ignoring the fact that he brought back slavery after Revolutionary France had abolished it, and the large scale colon
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:07 am
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still exists, so you will still get the view that the war was just a glorified squabble over taxation policy.
The French Revolution.
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were not nearly as bad of people as their contemporaries made them out to be. At best, they were victims of a corruption within the system that made a revolution almost inevitable regardless of their actions taken, and at worst they were just naive and incompetent. Of course to some this overlaps with Historical Villain Downgrade because people act as if their fault was stupidity and not active malice when they are clearly guilty, as seen in many surviving documents, of fomenting a civil war and trying to unleash a foreign army on their own subjects. However, after the Bourbon Restoration, the people who judged the King guilty were called regicides, and they were made into saint-like beings with their flaws played down and made into "tragic figures".
Maximilien Robespierre is the biggest casualty of this. He was a popular leader, beloved by the French public up to and during the Reign of Terror. He campaigned for minority rights, extending the right to vote to Protestants, Jews, and French Blacks, supported education for women. He also abolished slavery in 1794 and planned schemes for wealth redistribution. He was by no means the sole dictator of the Reign of Terror, though many of the death warrants were directly signed by him. Nevertheless, once he started to speak out against the corruption of the Committee they went against him, had him guillotined, and tarnished his reputation for all time. To this day, there is no street in Paris with his name on it or any major monument except in working-class areas such as Marseilles.
The Jacobin party as a whole were vilified as extremists by the Girondins and Royalists who succeeded to power after Thermidor and had prime positions under Bonaparte. The Jacobins were not innocent, but the Girondins were engaged in high-level corruption and behind the scenes dealing with Austria and England. They later declared a war against Austria, which Robespierre denounced as a Bread and Circuses move to divert away from the reforms they had consistently failed to uphold, and when the early phase of the war had started going against France, leading to Austria coming in hair's breadth of occupying Paris, the Jacobins supported by the Paris crowd went in open insurrection to protect the Revolution and the French people. It was the Jacobin party that led France to victory in the early stages of the Revolutionary Wars thanks to their open meritocracy, their culling of aristocratic nobles and royals from army positions, and introduction of Conscription.
For some reason, Napoleon the master propagandist is considered a reliable witness of the era he helped shape, so his lapidary judgments on his contemporaries often take up a disproportionate amount of place. Even when he talks about his Republican rivals or potential rivals (Hoche, Desaix, Moreau, Kléber...). Of course, Napoleon did win over them.
The most common misconceptions about Napoleon, namely his height (The Napoleon) comes from the success of English propaganda and the rise of the Anglophone. It is a fact that Napoleon was of average height for his timenote and no historian has found conclusive proof that Napoleon was driven to conquest because of insecurity regarding his height. On the flip-side, it should be noted that Napoleon published his memoirs a mere few years after his defeat, and it became an instant best-seller and cemented his legend, so even though Napoleon lost, he did write his own take on history, a highly self-centered and self-pitying one at that, but equally influential nonetheless.
The discourse of The Napoleonic Wars itself. The British argue that they were defending and liberating Europe from a tyranny, conveniently forgetting that they were the ones who first broke the Treaty of Amiens and started the war, after refusing to honor the terms of the original agreement (removing ships from Malta) and that they were themselves an Empire. Napoleonic supporters emphasize his meritocracy, modernization, secularization (liberation of Jews from ghettos) while ignoring the fact that he brought back slavery after Revolutionary France had abolished it, and the large scale colon
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:10 am
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still exists, so you will still get the view that the war was just a glorified squabble over taxation policy.
The French Revolution.
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were not nearly as bad of people as their contemporaries made them out to be. At best, they were victims of a corruption within the system that made a revolution almost inevitable regardless of their actions taken, and at worst they were just naive and incompetent. Of course to some this overlaps with Historical Villain Downgrade because people act as if their fault was stupidity and not active malice when they are clearly guilty, as seen in many surviving documents, of fomenting a civil war and trying to unleash a foreign army on their own subjects. However, after the Bourbon Restoration, the people who judged the King guilty were called regicides, and they were made into saint-like beings with their flaws played down and made into "tragic figures".
Maximilien Robespierre is the biggest casualty of this. He was a popular leader, beloved by the French public up to and during the Reign of Terror. He campaigned for minority rights, extending the right to vote to Protestants, Jews, and French Blacks, supported education for women. He also abolished slavery in 1794 and planned schemes for wealth redistribution. He was by no means the sole dictator of the Reign of Terror, though many of the death warrants were directly signed by him. Nevertheless, once he started to speak out against the corruption of the Committee they went against him, had him guillotined, and tarnished his reputation for all time. To this day, there is no street in Paris with his name on it or any major monument except in working-class areas such as Marseilles.
The Jacobin party as a whole were vilified as extremists by the Girondins and Royalists who succeeded to power after Thermidor and had prime positions under Bonaparte. The Jacobins were not innocent, but the Girondins were engaged in high-level corruption and behind the scenes dealing with Austria and England. They later declared a war against Austria, which Robespierre denounced as a Bread and Circuses move to divert away from the reforms they had consistently failed to uphold, and when the early phase of the war had started going against France, leading to Austria coming in hair's breadth of occupying Paris, the Jacobins supported by the Paris crowd went in open insurrection to protect the Revolution and the French people. It was the Jacobin party that led France to victory in the early stages of the Revolutionary Wars thanks to their open meritocracy, their culling of aristocratic nobles and royals from army positions, and introduction of Conscription.
For some reason, Napoleon the master propagandist is considered a reliable witness of the era he helped shape, so his lapidary judgments on his contemporaries often take up a disproportionate amount of place. Even when he talks about his Republican rivals or potential rivals (Hoche, Desaix, Moreau, Kléber...). Of course, Napoleon did win over them.
The most common misconceptions about Napoleon, namely his height (The Napoleon) comes from the success of English propaganda and the rise of the Anglophone. It is a fact that Napoleon was of average height for his timenote and no historian has found conclusive proof that Napoleon was driven to conquest because of insecurity regarding his height. On the flip-side, it should be noted that Napoleon published his memoirs a mere few years after his defeat, and it became an instant best-seller and cemented his legend, so even though Napoleon lost, he did write his own take on history, a highly self-centered and self-pitying one at that, but equally influential nonetheless.
The discourse of The Napoleonic Wars itself. The British argue that they were defending and liberating Europe from a tyranny, conveniently forgetting that they were the ones who first broke the Treaty of Amiens and started the war, after refusing to honor the terms of the original agreement (removing ships from Malta) and that they were themselves an Empire. Napoleonic supporters emphasize his meritocracy, modernization, secularization (liberation of Jews from ghettos) while ignoring the fact that he brought back slavery after Revolutionary France had abolished it, and the large scale colon
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:10 am
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still exists, so you will still get the view that the war was just a glorified squabble over taxation policy.
The French Revolution.
Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were not nearly as bad of people as their contemporaries made them out to be. At best, they were victims of a corruption within the system that made a revolution almost inevitable regardless of their actions taken, and at worst they were just naive and incompetent. Of course to some this overlaps with Historical Villain Downgrade because people act as if their fault was stupidity and not active malice when they are clearly guilty, as seen in many surviving documents, of fomenting a civil war and trying to unleash a foreign army on their own subjects. However, after the Bourbon Restoration, the people who judged the King guilty were called regicides, and they were made into saint-like beings with their flaws played down and made into "tragic figures".
Maximilien Robespierre is the biggest casualty of this. He was a popular leader, beloved by the French public up to and during the Reign of Terror. He campaigned for minority rights, extending the right to vote to Protestants, Jews, and French Blacks, supported education for women. He also abolished slavery in 1794 and planned schemes for wealth redistribution. He was by no means the sole dictator of the Reign of Terror, though many of the death warrants were directly signed by him. Nevertheless, once he started to speak out against the corruption of the Committee they went against him, had him guillotined, and tarnished his reputation for all time. To this day, there is no street in Paris with his name on it or any major monument except in working-class areas such as Marseilles.
The Jacobin party as a whole were vilified as extremists by the Girondins and Royalists who succeeded to power after Thermidor and had prime positions under Bonaparte. The Jacobins were not innocent, but the Girondins were engaged in high-level corruption and behind the scenes dealing with Austria and England. They later declared a war against Austria, which Robespierre denounced as a Bread and Circuses move to divert away from the reforms they had consistently failed to uphold, and when the early phase of the war had started going against France, leading to Austria coming in hair's breadth of occupying Paris, the Jacobins supported by the Paris crowd went in open insurrection to protect the Revolution and the French people. It was the Jacobin party that led France to victory in the early stages of the Revolutionary Wars thanks to their open meritocracy, their culling of aristocratic nobles and royals from army positions, and introduction of Conscription.
For some reason, Napoleon the master propagandist is considered a reliable witness of the era he helped shape, so his lapidary judgments on his contemporaries often take up a disproportionate amount of place. Even when he talks about his Republican rivals or potential rivals (Hoche, Desaix, Moreau, Kléber...). Of course, Napoleon did win over them.
The most common misconceptions about Napoleon, namely his height (The Napoleon) comes from the success of English propaganda and the rise of the Anglophone. It is a fact that Napoleon was of average height for his timenote and no historian has found conclusive proof that Napoleon was driven to conquest because of insecurity regarding his height. On the flip-side, it should be noted that Napoleon published his memoirs a mere few years after his defeat, and it became an instant best-seller and cemented his legend, so even though Napoleon lost, he did write his own take on history, a highly self-centered and self-pitying one at that, but equally influential nonetheless.
The discourse of The Napoleonic Wars itself. The British argue that they were defending and liberating Europe from a tyranny, conveniently forgetting that they were the ones who first broke the Treaty of Amiens and started the war, after refusing to honor the terms of the original agreement (removing ships from Malta) and that they were themselves an Empire. Napoleonic supporters emphasize his meritocracy, modernization, secularization (liberation of Jews from ghettos) while ignoring the fact that he brought back slavery after Revolutionary France had abolished it, and the large scale colon
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:19 am
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Libation for the Dead: The Ancient Egyptians poured libations to the dead, particularly to dead kings, at least since Old Kingdom times.
Light/Darkness Juxtaposition: "Light emerging from primordial darkness" is an idea from the oldest creation myths. Interestingly, this is Truthin Television since at one point, the universe was dark, then light came out once stars and gases began forming. Also, water did cover all or most all of the Earth around 3 billion years ago. It can also represent the collective subconscious recalling birth.
Light Is Not Good: The Egyptian Eyes of Re, such as Sekhmet and Hathor, were solar goddesses, but one of them once almost destroyed humanity in a bloody rampage.
Liminal Being: Egyptian art is full of part-human/part-animal beings.
Liminal Time: The five last days of the year were created to be not properly in any year, so that Nut can give birth despite the curse on her. They are the Demon Days and unlucky.
Little People Are Surreal: Ancient Egypt is the first civilisation known to have employed court dwarfs. In early periods of Egyptian history, dwarfism was seen as an otherworldly, divine trait. After the Old Kingdom, depictions of little people started veering into the more mocking versions of this trope.
A Load of Bull: The Sumerian Gud-alim are similar to the Greek Minotaur, but much older.
Long List: The Litany Of Re is an Egyptian work listing 75 different names and manifestations of the sun god.
Loophole Abuse: The Mesopotamian flood myth has the god who wants to save humanity talk to a wall (which just so happened to have a human next to it) about the gods' genocide plan... apparently, there was an oath not to tell it to people.
Lord of the Ocean: Nearly every polytheistic religion has at least one god associated with water-sources large and small.
Lost Him in a Card Game: Mandala 10, Hymn 34 (1,100 BC or older) of the Rig Veda is the lament of a gambler who has lost not only all his property, but also his wife in games of dice.
Love Goddess: Inanna/Ishtar was the Mesopotamian goddess of love and fertility. Hathor held that role in Egyptian religion.
Magical Eye: This trope is goes back to at least the Middle Kingdom of Ancient Egypt, when the Eldritch Abomination serpent Apep/Apophis was believed to have a harmful or hypnotizing gaze. People wore and recited charms and spells to protect themselves from him. On certain occasions the Pharaoh also ritually whacked at a ball that symbolized Apep's eyeball.
Magical Queer: In Mesopotamian Mythology, the underworld goddess Ereshkigal cursed intersex and nonbinary people to be shunned by society, so Ishtar gifted them with healing and prophecy to make up for it. As Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions put it: "So the lesson of this particular legend is if you're gender non-binary, you're magic, Ishtar loves you, and even the queen of hell thinks you're hot."
Making a Splash: Sobek from Egyptian Mythology.
Male Gaze: Male artists have been paying tribute to the female nude ever since the paleolithic "Venus of Willendorf."
Malicious Slander: In the Egyptian New Kingdom "Tale Of Two Brothers", Anubis' wife tried to seduce her brother-in-law Bata. When Bata angrily spurned her, she accused him of trying to seduce her and of beating her when she refused. Anubis tried to kill his brother, which started Bata's fantastic adventures.
Mama Bear: Tiamat in Enûma Eliš initially reacts this way when Apsu wants to kill their children, but later tries to kill them herself.
Meaningful Name: Many Egyptian names had clear meanings; i.e. gods like Amun ("hidden" or "hiddenness") and Meretseger ("she who loves silence"), and kings such as Merikare ("beloved of the ka of Re"), Tutankhamun ("living image of Amun"), Sobekhotep ("Sobek is satisfied"), and Scorpion.
Mesopotamian Monstrosity: Any monster in Mesopotamian Mythology (and there are a fair few) is by definition a Mesopotamian monstrosity. Given that some successor cultures carefully preserved these old myths, the idea of going back to old Mesopotamian myths for cool monsters may itself be old enough to qualify here.
Mission from God: The preface to the Code of Hammurabi declares that Hammurabi wrote down his code at the command of Anu and Bel.
Mr. Seahorse: In Hittite myth, Kumarbi gave birth to Teshub, Tigris, and Tasmisus after biting off Anu's genitals. The Sumerian water god Enki somehow impregnated himself.
Mix-and-Match Critters: Many mythological animals and people, especially in southwest Asia. The girtablullu (scorpion men) of Mesopotamian Mythology, appearing in Enûma Eliš and The Epic of Gilgamesh, were part man, part scorpion. Other examples from this period include griffins, leogryphs, sphinxes, urmalullu, lamassu, shedu, serpopards, sirrush, Anzu, gud-alim, and various dragons. The Egyptian Gods were also sometimes depicted in art as human beings with animal heads, though this wasn't necessarily meant to be taken literally.
Mood-Swinger: The Mesopotamian Inanna/Ishtar was goddess of love by night, but goddess of war by day. Romantic relations with her were... perilous.
Mortality Phobia: The Epic of Gilgamesh is possibly the oldest example of this trope. It chronicles the life of Gilgamesh as a seeks a way to avert death following an act that angered the Sumerian gods. The title character goes to great lengths to gain immortality, including trying to stay awake for seven days, and swimming to the bottom of the ocean to get a magical weed. His quest for immortality ultimately ends in him having to accept that death cannot be subverted.
Mother of a Thousand Young: Tiamat in Enûma Eliš.
Ms. Fanservice: Ishtar from Mesopotamian Mythology.
Multiple-Choice Past: Egyptian sources frequently differ about the parentage of individual deities.
Mummies at the Dinner Table: Gilgamesh refused to accept Enkidu's death for seven days, until finally a maggot fell out of his nose.
My God, What Have I Done?: The title goddess in Inanna's Descent to the Netherworld, right after siccing demons on her husband.
Mystical Pregnancy: Weird pregnancies have been around for a very long time:
Enki impregnates himself by consuming his own semen.
Egyptian god Horus was conceived by Isis hovering in the air over Osiris and beating her wings. At the time, Osiris was A: dead, and B: neutered, his p***s being the one piece of his body Isis couldn't recover due to its being eaten by a fish.
Named Weapons: In a fictional Egyptian tale of the conquest of Joppa, the Pharaoh Men-kheper-Re has a named staff/cane. He hides it in the luggage of the protagonist sent to put down a revolt, who kills the rebel leader with it. Unfortunately the text is damaged, so its name and powers are unknown.
Nameless Narrative: Surprisingly for a culture that put such emphasis on names, ancient Egypt has a few such tales: "The Wax Crocodile" (from the Westcar Papyrus), the "Tale Of The Shipwrecked Sailor", and the "Tale Of The Doomed Prince".
Narrative Poem: The Mesopotamians had them.
Nature Hero: Enkidu in The Epic of Gilgamesh.
Nature Spirit: There are many, many gods of earth, sun, moon, stars, rivers, trees, fertility, animals, plants, disease, life, death, storms, wind, the sea, the sky, etc. in Mesopotamian Mythology and Egyptian Mythology.
Never Say "Die": The ancient Egyptians believed that to record something in writing made it more real. Scribes usually did not speak of death, only of euphemisms such as passing west (towards the setting sun and The Underworld) or joining the sun god's barque in the sky. Set was never said to have killed or murdered his brother Osiris; instead he knocked him down.
Never Smile at a Crocodile: Sobek the crocodile-headed Egyptian god was not entirely bad, but was unpredictable, representing the power the Nile itself held over Egyptians' lives. Another example comes from a folktale where a prince is prophesied to die by "a snake, a crocodile or a dog". Despite efforts to avoid all of those things, he still dies.
Nice Hat: Royal and divine crowns, especially in Egyptian iconography where they can be exceptionally complicated.
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Libation for the Dead: The Ancient Egyptians poured libations to the dead, particularly to dead kings, at least since Old Kingdom times.
Light/Darkness Juxtaposition: "Light emerging from primordial darkness" is an idea from the oldest creation myths. Interestingly, this is Truthin Television since at one point, the universe was dark, then light came out once stars and gases began forming. Also, water did cover all or most all of the Earth around 3 billion years ago. It can also represent the collective subconscious recalling birth.
Light Is Not Good: The Egyptian Eyes of Re, such as Sekhmet and Hathor, were solar goddesses, but one of them once almost destroyed humanity in a bloody rampage.
Liminal Being: Egyptian art is full of part-human/part-animal beings.
Liminal Time: The five last days of the year were created to be not properly in any year, so that Nut can give birth despite the curse on her. They are the Demon Days and unlucky.
Little People Are Surreal: Ancient Egypt is the first civilisation known to have employed court dwarfs. In early periods of Egyptian history, dwarfism was seen as an otherworldly, divine trait. After the Old Kingdom, depictions of little people started veering into the more mocking versions of this trope.
A Load of Bull: The Sumerian Gud-alim are similar to the Greek Minotaur, but much older.
Long List: The Litany Of Re is an Egyptian work listing 75 different names and manifestations of the sun god.
Loophole Abuse: The Mesopotamian flood myth has the god who wants to save humanity talk to a wall (which just so happened to have a human next to it) about the gods' genocide plan... apparently, there was an oath not to tell it to people.
Lord of the Ocean: Nearly every polytheistic religion has at least one god associated with water-sources large and small.
Lost Him in a Card Game: Mandala 10, Hymn 34 (1,100 BC or older) of the Rig Veda is the lament of a gambler who has lost not only all his property, but also his wife in games of dice.
Love Goddess: Inanna/Ishtar was the Mesopotamian goddess of love and fertility. Hathor held that role in Egyptian religion.
Magical Eye: This trope is goes back to at least the Middle Kingdom of Ancient Egypt, when the Eldritch Abomination serpent Apep/Apophis was believed to have a harmful or hypnotizing gaze. People wore and recited charms and spells to protect themselves from him. On certain occasions the Pharaoh also ritually whacked at a ball that symbolized Apep's eyeball.
Magical Queer: In Mesopotamian Mythology, the underworld goddess Ereshkigal cursed intersex and nonbinary people to be shunned by society, so Ishtar gifted them with healing and prophecy to make up for it. As Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions put it: "So the lesson of this particular legend is if you're gender non-binary, you're magic, Ishtar loves you, and even the queen of hell thinks you're hot."
Making a Splash: Sobek from Egyptian Mythology.
Male Gaze: Male artists have been paying tribute to the female nude ever since the paleolithic "Venus of Willendorf."
Malicious Slander: In the Egyptian New Kingdom "Tale Of Two Brothers", Anubis' wife tried to seduce her brother-in-law Bata. When Bata angrily spurned her, she accused him of trying to seduce her and of beating her when she refused. Anubis tried to kill his brother, which started Bata's fantastic adventures.
Mama Bear: Tiamat in Enûma Eliš initially reacts this way when Apsu wants to kill their children, but later tries to kill them herself.
Meaningful Name: Many Egyptian names had clear meanings; i.e. gods like Amun ("hidden" or "hiddenness") and Meretseger ("she who loves silence"), and kings such as Merikare ("beloved of the ka of Re"), Tutankhamun ("living image of Amun"), Sobekhotep ("Sobek is satisfied"), and Scorpion.
Mesopotamian Monstrosity: Any monster in Mesopotamian Mythology (and there are a fair few) is by definition a Mesopotamian monstrosity. Given that some successor cultures carefully preserved these old myths, the idea of going back to old Mesopotamian myths for cool monsters may itself be old enough to qualify here.
Mission from God: The preface to the Code of Hammurabi declares that Hammurabi wrote down his code at the command of Anu and Bel.
Mr. Seahorse: In Hittite myth, Kumarbi gave birth to Teshub, Tigris, and Tasmisus after biting off Anu's genitals. The Sumerian water god Enki somehow impregnated himself.
Mix-and-Match Critters: Many mythological animals and people, especially in southwest Asia. The girtablullu (scorpion men) of Mesopotamian Mythology, appearing in Enûma Eliš and The Epic of Gilgamesh, were part man, part scorpion. Other examples from this period include griffins, leogryphs, sphinxes, urmalullu, lamassu, shedu, serpopards, sirrush, Anzu, gud-alim, and various dragons. The Egyptian Gods were also sometimes depicted in art as human beings with animal heads, though this wasn't necessarily meant to be taken literally.
Mood-Swinger: The Mesopotamian Inanna/Ishtar was goddess of love by night, but goddess of war by day. Romantic relations with her were... perilous.
Mortality Phobia: The Epic of Gilgamesh is possibly the oldest example of this trope. It chronicles the life of Gilgamesh as a seeks a way to avert death following an act that angered the Sumerian gods. The title character goes to great lengths to gain immortality, including trying to stay awake for seven days, and swimming to the bottom of the ocean to get a magical weed. His quest for immortality ultimately ends in him having to accept that death cannot be subverted.
Mother of a Thousand Young: Tiamat in Enûma Eliš.
Ms. Fanservice: Ishtar from Mesopotamian Mythology.
Multiple-Choice Past: Egyptian sources frequently differ about the parentage of individual deities.
Mummies at the Dinner Table: Gilgamesh refused to accept Enkidu's death for seven days, until finally a maggot fell out of his nose.
My God, What Have I Done?: The title goddess in Inanna's Descent to the Netherworld, right after siccing demons on her husband.
Mystical Pregnancy: Weird pregnancies have been around for a very long time:
Enki impregnates himself by consuming his own semen.
Egyptian god Horus was conceived by Isis hovering in the air over Osiris and beating her wings. At the time, Osiris was A: dead, and B: neutered, his p***s being the one piece of his body Isis couldn't recover due to its being eaten by a fish.
Named Weapons: In a fictional Egyptian tale of the conquest of Joppa, the Pharaoh Men-kheper-Re has a named staff/cane. He hides it in the luggage of the protagonist sent to put down a revolt, who kills the rebel leader with it. Unfortunately the text is damaged, so its name and powers are unknown.
Nameless Narrative: Surprisingly for a culture that put such emphasis on names, ancient Egypt has a few such tales: "The Wax Crocodile" (from the Westcar Papyrus), the "Tale Of The Shipwrecked Sailor", and the "Tale Of The Doomed Prince".
Narrative Poem: The Mesopotamians had them.
Nature Hero: Enkidu in The Epic of Gilgamesh.
Nature Spirit: There are many, many gods of earth, sun, moon, stars, rivers, trees, fertility, animals, plants, disease, life, death, storms, wind, the sea, the sky, etc. in Mesopotamian Mythology and Egyptian Mythology.
Never Say "Die": The ancient Egyptians believed that to record something in writing made it more real. Scribes usually did not speak of death, only of euphemisms such as passing west (towards the setting sun and The Underworld) or joining the sun god's barque in the sky. Set was never said to have killed or murdered his brother Osiris; instead he knocked him down.
Never Smile at a Crocodile: Sobek the crocodile-headed Egyptian god was not entirely bad, but was unpredictable, representing the power the Nile itself held over Egyptians' lives. Another example comes from a folktale where a prince is prophesied to die by "a snake, a crocodile or a dog". Despite efforts to avoid all of those things, he still dies.
Nice Hat: Royal and divine crowns, especially in Egyptian iconography where they can be exceptionally complicated.
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Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:19 am
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Libation for the Dead: The Ancient Egyptians poured libations to the dead, particularly to dead kings, at least since Old Kingdom times.
Light/Darkness Juxtaposition: "Light emerging from primordial darkness" is an idea from the oldest creation myths. Interestingly, this is Truthin Television since at one point, the universe was dark, then light came out once stars and gases began forming. Also, water did cover all or most all of the Earth around 3 billion years ago. It can also represent the collective subconscious recalling birth.
Light Is Not Good: The Egyptian Eyes of Re, such as Sekhmet and Hathor, were solar goddesses, but one of them once almost destroyed humanity in a bloody rampage.
Liminal Being: Egyptian art is full of part-human/part-animal beings.
Liminal Time: The five last days of the year were created to be not properly in any year, so that Nut can give birth despite the curse on her. They are the Demon Days and unlucky.
Little People Are Surreal: Ancient Egypt is the first civilisation known to have employed court dwarfs. In early periods of Egyptian history, dwarfism was seen as an otherworldly, divine trait. After the Old Kingdom, depictions of little people started veering into the more mocking versions of this trope.
A Load of Bull: The Sumerian Gud-alim are similar to the Greek Minotaur, but much older.
Long List: The Litany Of Re is an Egyptian work listing 75 different names and manifestations of the sun god.
Loophole Abuse: The Mesopotamian flood myth has the god who wants to save humanity talk to a wall (which just so happened to have a human next to it) about the gods' genocide plan... apparently, there was an oath not to tell it to people.
Lord of the Ocean: Nearly every polytheistic religion has at least one god associated with water-sources large and small.
Lost Him in a Card Game: Mandala 10, Hymn 34 (1,100 BC or older) of the Rig Veda is the lament of a gambler who has lost not only all his property, but also his wife in games of dice.
Love Goddess: Inanna/Ishtar was the Mesopotamian goddess of love and fertility. Hathor held that role in Egyptian religion.
Magical Eye: This trope is goes back to at least the Middle Kingdom of Ancient Egypt, when the Eldritch Abomination serpent Apep/Apophis was believed to have a harmful or hypnotizing gaze. People wore and recited charms and spells to protect themselves from him. On certain occasions the Pharaoh also ritually whacked at a ball that symbolized Apep's eyeball.
Magical Queer: In Mesopotamian Mythology, the underworld goddess Ereshkigal cursed intersex and nonbinary people to be shunned by society, so Ishtar gifted them with healing and prophecy to make up for it. As Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions put it: "So the lesson of this particular legend is if you're gender non-binary, you're magic, Ishtar loves you, and even the queen of hell thinks you're hot."
Making a Splash: Sobek from Egyptian Mythology.
Male Gaze: Male artists have been paying tribute to the female nude ever since the paleolithic "Venus of Willendorf."
Malicious Slander: In the Egyptian New Kingdom "Tale Of Two Brothers", Anubis' wife tried to seduce her brother-in-law Bata. When Bata angrily spurned her, she accused him of trying to seduce her and of beating her when she refused. Anubis tried to kill his brother, which started Bata's fantastic adventures.
Mama Bear: Tiamat in Enûma Eliš initially reacts this way when Apsu wants to kill their children, but later tries to kill them herself.
Meaningful Name: Many Egyptian names had clear meanings; i.e. gods like Amun ("hidden" or "hiddenness") and Meretseger ("she who loves silence"), and kings such as Merikare ("beloved of the ka of Re"), Tutankhamun ("living image of Amun"), Sobekhotep ("Sobek is satisfied"), and Scorpion.
Mesopotamian Monstrosity: Any monster in Mesopotamian Mythology (and there are a fair few) is by definition a Mesopotamian monstrosity. Given that some successor cultures carefully preserved these old myths, the idea of going back to old Mesopotamian myths for cool monsters may itself be old enough to qualify here.
Mission from God: The preface to the Code of Hammurabi declares that Hammurabi wrote down his code at the command of Anu and Bel.
Mr. Seahorse: In Hittite myth, Kumarbi gave birth to Teshub, Tigris, and Tasmisus after biting off Anu's genitals. The Sumerian water god Enki somehow impregnated himself.
Mix-and-Match Critters: Many mythological animals and people, especially in southwest Asia. The girtablullu (scorpion men) of Mesopotamian Mythology, appearing in Enûma Eliš and The Epic of Gilgamesh, were part man, part scorpion. Other examples from this period include griffins, leogryphs, sphinxes, urmalullu, lamassu, shedu, serpopards, sirrush, Anzu, gud-alim, and various dragons. The Egyptian Gods were also sometimes depicted in art as human beings with animal heads, though this wasn't necessarily meant to be taken literally.
Mood-Swinger: The Mesopotamian Inanna/Ishtar was goddess of love by night, but goddess of war by day. Romantic relations with her were... perilous.
Mortality Phobia: The Epic of Gilgamesh is possibly the oldest example of this trope. It chronicles the life of Gilgamesh as a seeks a way to avert death following an act that angered the Sumerian gods. The title character goes to great lengths to gain immortality, including trying to stay awake for seven days, and swimming to the bottom of the ocean to get a magical weed. His quest for immortality ultimately ends in him having to accept that death cannot be subverted.
Mother of a Thousand Young: Tiamat in Enûma Eliš.
Ms. Fanservice: Ishtar from Mesopotamian Mythology.
Multiple-Choice Past: Egyptian sources frequently differ about the parentage of individual deities.
Mummies at the Dinner Table: Gilgamesh refused to accept Enkidu's death for seven days, until finally a maggot fell out of his nose.
My God, What Have I Done?: The title goddess in Inanna's Descent to the Netherworld, right after siccing demons on her husband.
Mystical Pregnancy: Weird pregnancies have been around for a very long time:
Enki impregnates himself by consuming his own semen.
Egyptian god Horus was conceived by Isis hovering in the air over Osiris and beating her wings. At the time, Osiris was A: dead, and B: neutered, his p***s being the one piece of his body Isis couldn't recover due to its being eaten by a fish.
Named Weapons: In a fictional Egyptian tale of the conquest of Joppa, the Pharaoh Men-kheper-Re has a named staff/cane. He hides it in the luggage of the protagonist sent to put down a revolt, who kills the rebel leader with it. Unfortunately the text is damaged, so its name and powers are unknown.
Nameless Narrative: Surprisingly for a culture that put such emphasis on names, ancient Egypt has a few such tales: "The Wax Crocodile" (from the Westcar Papyrus), the "Tale Of The Shipwrecked Sailor", and the "Tale Of The Doomed Prince".
Narrative Poem: The Mesopotamians had them.
Nature Hero: Enkidu in The Epic of Gilgamesh.
Nature Spirit: There are many, many gods of earth, sun, moon, stars, rivers, trees, fertility, animals, plants, disease, life, death, storms, wind, the sea, the sky, etc. in Mesopotamian Mythology and Egyptian Mythology.
Never Say "Die": The ancient Egyptians believed that to record something in writing made it more real. Scribes usually did not speak of death, only of euphemisms such as passing west (towards the setting sun and The Underworld) or joining the sun god's barque in the sky. Set was never said to have killed or murdered his brother Osiris; instead he knocked him down.
Never Smile at a Crocodile: Sobek the crocodile-headed Egyptian god was not entirely bad, but was unpredictable, representing the power the Nile itself held over Egyptians' lives. Another example comes from a folktale where a prince is prophesied to die by "a snake, a crocodile or a dog". Despite efforts to avoid all of those things, he still dies.
Nice Hat: Royal and divine crowns, especially in Egyptian iconography where they can be exceptionally complicated.
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