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kingblah

PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:56 pm


every1 says stuff about it and i dont know what their talking aobut. can some1 fill me in?
PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:36 pm


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ArcVyse


Phantom_Renegade

PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:18 am


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:24 pm


I'm glad this is here 'cause I had no clue about this teir thing eather.

Crimsonknight13


kingblah

PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:12 pm


so basically it says what characters are best to worst? cuz roy is better than marth, the only thing that marth can do better is that his tip does most damaga and he can run a tiny bit faster
PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:06 pm


kingblah
so basically it says what characters are best to worst? cuz roy is better than marth, the only thing that marth can do better is that his tip does most damaga and he can run a tiny bit faster


No, it's not best to worst - Its a list that represents character potential, which can only be unlocked by the abilities of the player.

A better player could easily beat a n00b Marth with Roy.

Comparison between Roy and Marth

-Roy-

Pros:
-Counter does more damage
-Flare Blade does more damage (ALOT more damage)
-Crouch cancel counters better than Marth

Cons:
-Sweetspot lies in the middle of the sword, which basically defeats the purpose of the sword.
-Harder to Shuffl' effectively
-Shorter Grab range
-Slower Dash
-Shorter Wavedash
-Suffers from greater lag
-Attacks don't flow
-Doesn't have a natural A combo (Doesn't continuosly swing sword with A)
-Doesn't have effective spikes
-Poorer Aerial game
-Ground game is generally slower
-Poor recovery

To name a few

-Marth-

Pros:

-Greater Wavedash
-Greater Dash dance
-Longer grab range
-Faster in all aspects
-Greater aerial game
-Sweetspot is at the tip of the sword
-Disjointed hit box (His sword) is further reaching than Roy's
-Better Shuffl' game
-Counter lasts for longer frames
-Shield breaker (Hold B) is more useful than flare blade in alot of cases
-Better recovery
-Good spike options
-More effecitve Tilt attacks

Cons:

-Floaty

And that is honestly the only thing Roy is better than Marth at, in that Roy isn't so floaty, and will probably be able to sustain a few more hits before being hit off, which Marth makes up for with a combination of his sword dance and Up B to recover.

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I can tell you right now that these stats mean nothing more than the person wielding the characters, what use is the ability to Shuffl' well If you can't even L-cancel?

ArcVyse


Phantom_Renegade

PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:49 pm


^ yeah but u forgot to mention that roy shffl's faster, and arguably has the best d-tilt in the game, and roy's ded is better than marth's DB,

and that roy's flare blade is alot more useful than marths stupid shield breaker, becasue that it has more reach and it hits below him more than marth's shield breaker which is one of marths more useless moves

and roys f-smash makes a better finisher than marths does
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:56 pm


ive played as sheik. he is not good at all! he dont have good jump, all hes good at is dodging!

kingblah


Roy Soraxis

PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:30 pm


Phantom_Renegade
^ yeah but u forgot to mention that roy shffl's faster, and arguably has the best d-tilt in the game, and roy's ded is better than marth's DB,

and that roy's flare blade is alot more useful than marths stupid shield breaker, becasue that it has more reach and it hits below him more than marth's shield breaker which is one of marths more useless moves

and roys f-smash makes a better finisher than marths does


And Roy's Recovery is actually alot better then Marths eventhough that Marth floats a bit further, Marths save is just too vertical.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:31 pm


kingblah
ive played as sheik. he is not good at all! he dont have good jump, all hes good at is dodging!


You're not listening to what their saying...

Roy Soraxis


Mimoto Kawasari

PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:53 am


kingblah
ive played as sheik. he is not good at all! he dont have good jump, all hes good at is dodging!


..It's not Sheik's fault, it's your own ability as a player to EXECUTE their attacks at the right timing, knowing when to use it, HOW to use it, IF to use it, and how much strength and speed is needed to pull it off.

Simple as that. My point is, you're not experienced enough to handle Sheik.. I can handle Fox WAY better than I can with Falco, or ANY other character in SSBM. But I'm not saying that it's the character's fault, it's just my compatitibility with the other characters are highly unlikely. I can't use other characters as well as I can with Fox, but I've figured why. Unlike other players, I prefer speed and attack over defense and strength.. knowing yourself is another one of the hidden potentials in the game. That's what makes it fun.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:16 pm


Phantom_Renegade
^ yeah but u forgot to mention that roy shffl's faster, and arguably has the best d-tilt in the game, and roy's ded is better than marth's DB,

and that roy's flare blade is alot more useful than marths stupid shield breaker, becasue that it has more reach and it hits below him more than marth's shield breaker which is one of marths more useless moves

and roys f-smash makes a better finisher than marths does


I agree with everything except Roy's F-smash

Yes it does have alot of knockback, but the knockack can only be obtained by

-Actually timing it right, and against pro players, you'll be hard pressed to land one before they Wavedash out of it, or shield.

-Actually hitting within the sweetspot range of Roy's sword

Also while Roy's shuffl' is quicker, Marth's one has longer range, meaning what he lacks in the fact that you must wait a little longer to begin his fastfall when he short hops,

Marth makes up for with being able to start his shuffl sooner, whilst keeping the enemy at a greater range.
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Don't get me wrong though, it doesn't mean Roy can't be played effectively, he just needs a considerable amount of mindgames.

NEO got 2nd place in the FC3 singles with Roy.

Of course, Ken got 1st place with Marth.

ArcVyse


Phantom_Renegade

PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:43 pm


^ there we go, now both of us combined have just about all the pros and cons about roy vs marth
PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:51 pm


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Of course, character difference applies less in Melee in some aspects because well, tell me the name of a fighting game other than SSB, and SSBM that you can ledge guard someone?

After finishing my guide, I'd also like to write an in depth character analysis.

ArcVyse


Roy Soraxis

PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:45 pm


Arc Angel Gabriel
Don't get me wrong though, it doesn't mean Roy can't be played effectively, he just needs a considerable amount of mindgames.

NEO got 2nd place in the FC3 singles with Roy.

Of course, Ken got 1st place with Marth.


For the red part:--> Me me me!!! *jumps around like a frantic japanese anime schoolgirl with cup FF that just found her dairy.* xd xp whee
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