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Amandelie

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:41 pm


This is partly written out of rage because I've had a headache for two days now and life just isn't going that great...

How do you deal with someone (a family member even) looking at something you are working on and saying it's not good or it looks -insert negative thing here-.

I've been working on something to take my mind off things and then my brother looks at it and says, "she looks like she is either constipated or on her period." and then just now again today when he's home, "She still looks like she has to tinkle."

I told him to stop being mean to me especially when he can't draw himself and he asks why I'm so crabby...does it not make sense that someone would be angry when you insult something they put time and effort into?

'My attitude is based on how you treat me' - I'm not sure where this saying is from but it's really ringing true right now and I just wish people would understand. I'm feeling really sensitive right now being unemployed and lonely because I can't see any of my friends and my family being in a lot of tough places. I don't cope well will stress or being bossed around and lately I just feel like crying all the time.

I feel insulted and hurt, I guess this is kind of a personal/mental health thing as well. If I can't be happy about making art because I want to I have nothing else to go to really. I can't just ignore what people say all the time, but it sucks that I see my own work differently in a way that makes me hate it too now...
PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:02 pm


your art needs approval from no one other than yourself. if you think it looks good, if you think it's a fair interpretation of how you feel, screw what your brother has to say. sometimes people who feel like they can't draw as well as you, or play a sport as well, or whatever their issue is, will try to insult you to wreck your nerves, throwing you off your game. : /

i know it's easy to say 'just ignore him' and harder to do. just keep in mind that you don't need to live to anyone else's standards other than your own, and that those trying to bring you down are only distracting you from being/becoming who you are/who you want to be. thus, not even worth bothering with.

just try to focus on you and what you want. try to stay positive and forget about the negative. there'll always be negativity. it's easier to see and feel. staying positive is work, but it's worth it.

you'll pull through. <3

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:01 pm


damn, you definitively seem to have hit a hard patch huh : (

Well the first thing I'd say is you know your brothers just being a pain, because siblings are like that. Mine are the same way, so I know its hard but try to forget about his naive little cocky attitude. Phhh what does he know. Like you said, he doesn't even draw, he doesn't understand how something like this is hard and demands loads of dedication and time, and its only normal he can't bring himself to fully appreciate a real piece of art.

Second of all, amandelie, I've said it before and I'll say it again, your an amazing artist. You've got an amazing talent for drawing, your sketches are dynamic, and colours are vivid and full of life. You alway try to do your best when working for commissions, and you have a wounderfull personality as well. You are a kind hearted persone with lots of talent and motivation. Your motivation is down right now, but most artist hit this point a few times in there lives. You just gotta take it one step at a time ok.

Try to take a breather, if your brother is commenting on your art, draw your art out of his site, stay a way from him when you draw. Post your stuff here in the guild if you want feed back. People here know there art, and I haven't met anyone here who bashs for the sake of bashing... people here are nice and will only try to help you become a better artist.

Try to stay strong and just remeber your ******** perfect : ) even if you don't feel like it... I'm telling you, you are! K
PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:41 pm


my brother is the harderst person that i have in order to make him to like my art. Is my hardest jury actually, and I really appreciate his honesty and hard words (aybe because I`m a sadomasoquist) or because he doesn`t know how to draw but he persive art in a unique way and I DO appreciate his hard words and nasty things he had to say.

HE is always like "I don`t like it, it feels weird" and so stuff, I wont be doing my art or change it in order to please him either but is a nice point of view.

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Gomeric

PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:04 pm


Awe, I'm sorry you have to go through with that. I can relate with what you're going through and what your feeling. My whole family is like that and even the people around me are like that.

Just yesterday I got into an argument with a classmate that art isn't easy. She kept saying it was and that I should just give up and do something else if all I do is waste time drawing useless cartoons cause that will get me no where. I was hard pressed not to throw a heavy text book at her face.

The most you can do is try to explain to people it's not as easy as it seems but it's hard for them to understand. You can try comparing it in an example with something they do. Perhaps their passion is playing an instrument, but that doesn't mean they're be amazing without hard work and dedication.

Like the others have mentioned, just try to be strong and realize your own value. I know it's hard. I hate my own art too. Especially right now I feel like I'm not making any progress. I've actually gotten worse and it's very depressing. But I still trudge on in hopes that I will be able to love my own work again.

D4 is also right that your worst critics can be helpful to you. Yes, they may not know what art is or the hard work that gets put into it, BUT the majority of the world is like that. You have to take into consideration that in a way he's helping you to realize what is visually appealing to the masses. Now, I'm not saying that your work is bad. It just may only appeal to some and not others, that's how it will always be. So know that there will be people who will love your work.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:46 pm


This is extremely annoying. and that is really rude of your brother. Well here's a couple of stuff you should ask him and say to him.

"If my drawing's sooo bad, please can you tell me how to draw, I mean draw a picture for me, so I can get what type of picture you want me to draw."

"Thank You for the comment on my picture. Thank You and Good Bye"

"Oh! Really, is it that bad for you? neutral Then its perfect for me!! twisted Because I like what you don't!"

"Stop annoying me and beat it! I'm trying to draw something here!! No comments needed!!"

"I didn't ask for your comments, so go away, I don't care what you say."

"Sure! thanks for the comment" (try going away when he says something bad.)

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:05 pm


I don;t like my family members watching e drawing things, because they won't understand all this stuff I do.
I simply don't draw in front of them in order to avoid such unpleasant situations.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 6:59 pm


Thanks for all the responses everyone, reading them all helped me calm down a bit! -luffs all around- <3

Amandelie


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:35 pm


my reply is delayed but I figure I can maybe still give my two cents. I grew up with people always doing better than me, or with people that hated or didn't like my style of art, calling it fake etc. Sometimes you just have to remember that some people are out to just piss you off. Maybe your bro was just trying to intentionally rag on you (hey, he's your bro afterall, and thats what we do lol).

My advice to you is to look to how the drawing makes YOU feel. Don't let other people's opinions mire your work or your time. Its about you, not them. If you let them get to you, they win.


As they say, haters gonna hate.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:57 pm


i use yo get that alot in art class...
i knew my s**t was good, but they would comment (poorly) on the art. i dont know why.

My boyfirend says things here and there, but its just to help me in making my art better.

But also, he is your brother.. and brothers do things to piss their sisters off.

(my siblings were always supportive of my abbilites)
id kill a B*tch if one of my family members commented badly on my art work.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:35 am


My opinion's a bit different.

Sometimes my little sister would walk in to comment on my artwork - "her eyes are ugly" or "her arms look broken", and instead of feeling insulted, I'd use her comment to improve. When I'm drawing, I'm sometimes so engrossed in it, flaws that should be obvious - I miss completely. Seeing my art from a different person's point of view is great, no matter how harsh it is.

If someone said "damn she looks buttugly and you should just throw this picture into a meat grinder", I'll ask "why?", and then I'll try to improve. Someone's trying to piss you off? Use that to improve. And there's no point in getting pissed off - that means the person succeeded in their goal!

Kind of unrelated, but this reminds me of the time in my art class where the teacher gave a friendly critique to this one girl, who then started complaining about how the teacher was "mean" and "never liked her drawings". I was like "jesus, girl, he's just trying to help you improve!"
PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:12 am


yea things like that are a lot to deal with... especially if you have parents that are very strict and straight-forward with you, my mom used to be like that actually.... everybodys always telling her that I was really a talented artist... I think deep inside she knows this because, but wanted to get more out of me.... but now I'm grown up and she finally sees my art and always praising me in front of her friends... just keep in mind family would never put you down... they might seem hard on you but in reality, they're just trying to make you a better person or even an artist. Keep up the hard work! It took me years to get where I'm at and finally her respect for my art... especially my anime stuff haha. But I also have to warn you.... if you're aiming to be a serious artist you have to learn how to take everything in.... when you in the real world and art is your profession.... be ready to take a lot of s**t...


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Amandelie

PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:25 am


Oh I realize it's a lot of crap, I went through that in school from my own professor saying that my work looked like a grade schooler's. I'm sure you can all imagine how happy that made me.

I guess the situation I originally started this thread about two weeks ago is more specific to the one piece and how I was feeling..and my brother in general, he can literally say ANYTHING he wants and get away with it. I am not lying about that at all, I'm called the "n-word" nearly on a daily basis for no reason. So this is just a frustration with my environment right now..I don't feel like anywhere I've been except with a few friends who would willingly model for me while hanging out/watching tv/talking(they would sit for the time needed even through limbs falling asleep just to see the drawing in the end and get all excited about it, and it's fun going back through the pages of my sketchbook seeing all of them sitting around in our lounge again) has been a nurturing environment for an artist. I ramble..

It's tough to think that I will never be praised by everyone, it's important for me lately that I get attention in a positive way because a lot of things in my life are not easy. Family, money, illnesses, long distance relationship, the fact that I got 4 As and 1 D on my final semester of school(I don't let go of things easily sometimes), the list goes on..

Sorry to be turning this into a 'poor me my life is so hard' thread, I'm sure that I'm not the only one that goes through this though. And heck, I don't even know what I want to do with my life..if I do want to be an artist or find something else I can do..but then again jobs aren't so easy to come by so I don't really have as many choices as I may think I do.

/superlongramblerant D;

As for the people wanting to help you improve, I don't think all out criticism should be how it's done. My old roommate from school would be AWESOME about helping me work on things, she would literally stand there and say something like "Ok, that arm should be a little different." and then she would either do a draw over or come over to my desk and model the pose herself so I could see what she meant. I don't think it's appropriate to say "the arm looks awful" or even worse.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:47 am


Amandelie
As for the people wanting to help you improve, I don't think all out criticism should be how it's done. My old roommate from school would be AWESOME about helping me work on things, she would literally stand there and say something like "Ok, that arm should be a little different." and then she would either do a draw over or come over to my desk and model the pose herself so I could see what she meant. I don't think it's appropriate to say "the arm looks awful" or even worse.

I agree with you as a person who gives critiques sometimes. But as a person who receives them... that doesn't mean you can't learn from all out criticism. When you get such criticism, you can't un-get them... so might as well use them to your advantage surprised

Personally, what irritates me the most is 1) when people won't elaborate on what looks so bad/ why it looks so bad, and 2) when I can TOTALLY FEEL the petty "lulz this makes me smarter than you" vibes radiating from the critique. I don't mind harsh critiques as long as they're detailed/ helpful and are not loaded with negative/ stupid attitude.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:54 am


Critique isn't bad in and of itself, but as they say in Germany "the tune makes the melody"
If you're not even bothering in elaborating why something looks off, or why it looks weird, why the expression looks like a different one, then it's better not to say anything at all. Of course there are some people who see that something doesn't look right, but can't really say why or how to improve it, then just say so.
It's not so difficult to take the feelings of the artist into consideration.
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