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 Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:35 pm
There is this interesting thing I've noticed about Ocarina of Time and Oracle of Ages. And its about the time split theory.
Before I go further let me make a certain things clear. In this thread, it will be assumed that-
( 1 ) Ocarina of Time is the first story
( 2 ) A time split did happen. No other way to prove the simultaneous existence of Twilight Princess and The Wind Waker.
( 3 ) Oracle of Ages happens after Ocarina of Time (whether Adult or Child time line; after Majora's Mask if child)
( 4 ) The evidences that support Oracle of Ages to happen after Ocarina of Time is the presence of Ganon and Twinrova
( 5 ) Although Orcale of Ages and Oracle of Seasons can be played in any order, it is proven that Oracle of Seasons comes first and OoA happens after OoS.
( 6 ) In any case, the Link in the Oracle series is NOT the hero of time or his child incarnation whether its parallel to the adult or child time line
( 7 ) Similarly, the Zelda in the Oracle series is NOT the same Sage of Light as in Ocarina of Time whether its parallel to the adult or child time line
( 8 ) Visually and characteristically the Impa in this is not the same Impa from OoT. But this Impa can be considered to be a descendant of the Sheikah.
With those factors made clear, now time to descend into the subject itself~
As we all agree with this facts that a time split did happen at the end of Ocarina of Time, and the time got separated into adult and child times, everything went fine till came the Oracle of Ages.
Before I go into the main problem, let me add another confusion to the list. Which time line does Oracle of Ages does happen?
Child time line? But there seems to be little evidence in this. Zelda in OoA is not the And if Twilight Princess were to happen around 100 years after Ocarina of Time then this event did not happen between that.
Adult time line? Again that is not possible as the Hero supposedly didn't return between the end of Ocarina's adult time line and the start of The Wind Waker. But for simplicity's sake we would consider this happen somewhere in the child time line as it makes the fact safer that history was indeed altered in OoA.
Now for the real complication and the big question: Why did a Time Split occur when The Hero of Time went back 7 years at the end of Ocarina of Time but throughout the events of Oracle of Ages Veran constantly alters events via Nayru yet no Time Split occurs? Another split should have occured if Veran were to go back in time and change things, yet the change reflected in the same time!
So I leave the readers of this thread to discuss two things- Which time line does Oracle of Ages belongs to and Why did no time split occur during the events of Oracle of Ages?
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:55 am
Ryuzo Nakata There is this interesting thing I've noticed about Ocarina of Time and Oracle of Ages. And its about the time split theory. Before I go further let me make a certain things clear. In this thread, it will be assumed that- ( 1 ) Ocarina of Time is the first story ( 2 ) A time split did happen. No other way to prove the simultaneous existence of Twilight Princess and The Wind Waker. ( 3 ) Oracle of Ages happens after Ocarina of Time (whether Adult or Child time line; after Majora's Mask if child) ( 4 ) The evidences that support Oracle of Ages to happen after Ocarina of Time is the presence of Ganon and Twinrova ( 5 ) Although Orcale of Ages and Oracle of Seasons can be played in any order, it is proven that Oracle of Seasons comes first and OoA happens after OoS. ( 6 ) In any case, the Link in the Oracle series is NOT the hero of time or his child incarnation whether its parallel to the adult or child time line ( 7 ) Similarly, the Zelda in the Oracle series is NOT the same Sage of Light as in Ocarina of Time whether its parallel to the adult or child time line ( 8 ) Visually and characteristically the Impa in this is not the same Impa from OoT. But this Impa can be considered to be a descendant of the Sheikah. With those factors made clear, now time to descend into the subject itself~ As we all agree with this facts that a time split did happen at the end of Ocarina of Time, and the time got separated into adult and child times, everything went fine till came the Oracle of Ages. Before I go into the main problem, let me add another confusion to the list. Which time line does Oracle of Ages does happen? Child time line? But there seems to be little evidence in this. Zelda in OoA is not the And if Twilight Princess were to happen around 100 years after Ocarina of Time then this event did not happen between that. Adult time line? Again that is not possible as the Hero supposedly didn't return between the end of Ocarina's adult time line and the start of The Wind Waker. But for simplicity's sake we would consider this happen somewhere in the child time line as it makes the fact safer that history was indeed altered in OoA. Now for the real complication and the big question: Why did a Time Split occur when The Hero of Time went back 7 years at the end of Ocarina of Time but throughout the events of Oracle of Ages Veran constantly alters events via Nayru yet no Time Split occurs? Another split should have occured if Veran were to go back in time and change things, yet the change reflected in the same time! So I leave the readers of this thread to discuss two things- Which time line does Oracle of Ages belongs to and Why did no time split occur during the events of Oracle of Ages? Ironically and luckily for you I know ALMOST everything about the split timeline theory ^w^ Here's your questions answered: Your first question: Oracle of Ages/Seasons were involved in the Adult Link's timeline, NOT young Link's because after the Adult events in OoT came ALttP which the Master Sword was returned to the Pedestal of Time and you gained the Master Sword in ALttP in the woods which could've been the Temple of Time after it was destroyed... after Link (a different Link of course) saved Hyrule and returned the Triforce, it then sent Link into a different world and that's where OoS/A events occur with the SAME Link. Second Question: The Time Split still occured because after Adult Link sealed Ganondorf he put the Master Sword back. He then went to warn Zelda (and this is AFTER Link saves Hyrule in the future and the end credits are shown you see Link unsurprised and Zelda is surprised to see him) that Ganondorf is gonna take over Hyrule (what other reasons would she have known a FOREST BOY WITH A GREEN AND SHINING STONE would come to her?) Ganondorf also snatched the Triforce of Power when Link first pulled the sword which created 2 GANONDORFS!!!!!! One for Child's side and the other for Adult's side. Oracle of Ages' time split theory suggests that since Nayru did time travel at one point, the Link from OoA was cloned and put into OoS... Remember, believe what you want this is all just speculation ^w^. Well I can't tell you anything about "Veran" because I don't know anything much about him... but here's the timeline in proper order ADULT LINK'S SIDE: Ocarina of Time, A Link to the Past, Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, Link's Awakening and finally: Spirit Tracks. The reason about the Great Flood: Centuries before Wind Waker a great flood ensued which was PROBABLY caused by the Goddesses when Link didn't return from OoS to save Hyrule when Ganon grasped ahold of it. So they sunk Hyrule not to kill Ganon but to hide it from him. Afterwards Link comes back and "KILLS" not "Seals" Ganondorf forever on the Adult Link's side of the story thus ridding Adult Link's side of Ganondorf and Ganon forever. You never see them in the games set in the timeline afterward do you??? That's what I thought ^w^ Phantom Hourglass which was a sequel to Wind Waker took place in "a dream" kinda like Link's Awakening right? Then Link's Awakening took place and he awoke the Wind Fish (In Link's Awakening the world was still flooded, remember that) and then Spirit Tracks comes out YEARS later and the great flood dies down (keep in mind the Goddesses returned Hyrule to normal again because Ganondorf no longer roamed the earth). That's it for Adult Link's side so far. If we are ever to see a Zelda game on Adult Link's side with Ganondorf in it then this theory is COMPLETELY WRONG. YOUNG LINK'S SIDE: Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Minish Cap, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures, Zelda, Adventure of Link. REASON: Link wandered into the Lost woods to find Navi at the end and beginning of Majora's Mask. He could possibly have died in the Lost Woods turning into a "Creature" and becoming the "Swordsman Spirit" from Twilight Princess that teaches you the hidden skills. (NOTE: KEEP IN MIND THE MASTER SWORD STILL EXISTS!!!!!!) In TP, Link used the Master Sword to seal Ganondorf away AGAIN in the Sacred Realm. In Skyward Sword, the FINAL events pretaining to the Master Sword happen, which I'm led to believe is why the Master Sword becomes your helper. You save the world from Ganondorf again (if Ganondorf's not in that game, then this timeline theory is wrong) and bring peace to Hyrule. The events of Minish Cap happens soon after Twilight Princess ends(NOTE AGAIN: AT THIS POINT THE MASTER SWORD NO LONGER EXISTS IN THE CHILD TIMELINE). Here's when the Master Sword breaks by Vaati and is reforged into the Four Sword. Link takes control of the Four Sword and seals away Vaati, saving Hyrule again. Not long afterward the events of Four Swords Adventures occurs (they could both be considered the same game ^w^ FSA and FS.) and Link is split into 4, releasing Vaati and then having to reseal him again. The Legend of Zelda's events occurs with Ganon rising again, but no longer in human form... so something in Skyward Sword HAS to occur that makes Ganondorf turn into his true form; Ganon PERMANENTLY... Once he's back into his true form, for some reason the Four Sword doesn't exist and I think it's because it was destroyed by Vaati again and Link has to use a regular weapon to slay him and you may ask yourselves: "Why does Ganon get sealed if there's no sacred blade???" Well it could be that since Ganon isn't Ganondorf anymore and his powers are skinned slightly he's weaker... Who knows? Then he "KILLS" (yes, again...) Ganon and the events of The Adventure of Link happens. Ganon's minions are trying to revive Ganon and take over Hyrule again and obviously enough... they fail... (NOTE AGAIN: Do you ever remember in that order a Master Sword returning??? It's good evidence that that's how it happened in that order ^w^. It's also on Adult Link's side of the story that Ganondorf's DEAD now. Didn't expect that did you? Well I hope that answered all of your questions ^w^ Ask me about the existence of Dark Link and Fierce Deity if you want to know a few more controversies ^w^ I know a few ^w^ and yes... ^w^ is my favorite emote ^w^!!!!!!
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:51 am
Kai Rogers Ryuzo Nakata There is this interesting thing I've noticed about Ocarina of Time and Oracle of Ages. And its about the time split theory. Before I go further let me make a certain things clear. In this thread, it will be assumed that- ( 1 ) Ocarina of Time is the first story ( 2 ) A time split did happen. No other way to prove the simultaneous existence of Twilight Princess and The Wind Waker. ( 3 ) Oracle of Ages happens after Ocarina of Time (whether Adult or Child time line; after Majora's Mask if child) ( 4 ) The evidences that support Oracle of Ages to happen after Ocarina of Time is the presence of Ganon and Twinrova ( 5 ) Although Orcale of Ages and Oracle of Seasons can be played in any order, it is proven that Oracle of Seasons comes first and OoA happens after OoS. ( 6 ) In any case, the Link in the Oracle series is NOT the hero of time or his child incarnation whether its parallel to the adult or child time line ( 7 ) Similarly, the Zelda in the Oracle series is NOT the same Sage of Light as in Ocarina of Time whether its parallel to the adult or child time line ( 8 ) Visually and characteristically the Impa in this is not the same Impa from OoT. But this Impa can be considered to be a descendant of the Sheikah. With those factors made clear, now time to descend into the subject itself~ As we all agree with this facts that a time split did happen at the end of Ocarina of Time, and the time got separated into adult and child times, everything went fine till came the Oracle of Ages. Before I go into the main problem, let me add another confusion to the list. Which time line does Oracle of Ages does happen? Child time line? But there seems to be little evidence in this. Zelda in OoA is not the And if Twilight Princess were to happen around 100 years after Ocarina of Time then this event did not happen between that. Adult time line? Again that is not possible as the Hero supposedly didn't return between the end of Ocarina's adult time line and the start of The Wind Waker. But for simplicity's sake we would consider this happen somewhere in the child time line as it makes the fact safer that history was indeed altered in OoA. Now for the real complication and the big question: Why did a Time Split occur when The Hero of Time went back 7 years at the end of Ocarina of Time but throughout the events of Oracle of Ages Veran constantly alters events via Nayru yet no Time Split occurs? Another split should have occured if Veran were to go back in time and change things, yet the change reflected in the same time! So I leave the readers of this thread to discuss two things- Which time line does Oracle of Ages belongs to and Why did no time split occur during the events of Oracle of Ages? Ironically and luckily for you I know ALMOST everything about the split timeline theory ^w^ Here's your questions answered: Your first question: Oracle of Ages/Seasons were involved in the Adult Link's timeline, NOT young Link's because after the Adult events in OoT came ALttP which the Master Sword was returned to the Pedestal of Time and you gained the Master Sword in ALttP in the woods which could've been the Temple of Time after it was destroyed... after Link (a different Link of course) saved Hyrule and returned the Triforce, it then sent Link into a different world and that's where OoS/A events occur with the SAME Link. Second Question: The Time Split still occured because after Adult Link sealed Ganondorf he put the Master Sword back. He then went to warn Zelda (and this is AFTER Link saves Hyrule in the future and the end credits are shown you see Link unsurprised and Zelda is surprised to see him) that Ganondorf is gonna take over Hyrule (what other reasons would she have known a FOREST BOY WITH A GREEN AND SHINING STONE would come to her?) Ganondorf also snatched the Triforce of Power when Link first pulled the sword which created 2 GANONDORFS!!!!!! One for Child's side and the other for Adult's side. Oracle of Ages' time split theory suggests that since Nayru did time travel at one point, the Link from OoA was cloned and put into OoS... Remember, believe what you want this is all just speculation ^w^. Well I can't tell you anything about "Veran" because I don't know anything much about him... but here's the timeline in proper order ADULT LINK'S SIDE: Ocarina of Time, A Link to the Past, Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, Link's Awakening and finally: Spirit Tracks. The reason about the Great Flood: Centuries before Wind Waker a great flood ensued which was PROBABLY caused by the Goddesses when Link didn't return from OoS to save Hyrule when Ganon grasped ahold of it. So they sunk Hyrule not to kill Ganon but to hide it from him. Afterwards Link comes back and "KILLS" not "Seals" Ganondorf forever on the Adult Link's side of the story thus ridding Adult Link's side of Ganondorf and Ganon forever. You never see them in the games set in the timeline afterward do you??? That's what I thought ^w^ Phantom Hourglass which was a sequel to Wind Waker took place in "a dream" kinda like Link's Awakening right? Then Link's Awakening took place and he awoke the Wind Fish (In Link's Awakening the world was still flooded, remember that) and then Spirit Tracks comes out YEARS later and the great flood dies down (keep in mind the Goddesses returned Hyrule to normal again because Ganondorf no longer roamed the earth). That's it for Adult Link's side so far. If we are ever to see a Zelda game on Adult Link's side with Ganondorf in it then this theory is COMPLETELY WRONG. YOUNG LINK'S SIDE: Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Minish Cap, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures, Zelda, Adventure of Link. REASON: Link wandered into the Lost woods to find Navi at the end and beginning of Majora's Mask. He could possibly have died in the Lost Woods turning into a "Creature" and becoming the "Swordsman Spirit" from Twilight Princess that teaches you the hidden skills. (NOTE: KEEP IN MIND THE MASTER SWORD STILL EXISTS!!!!!!) In TP, Link used the Master Sword to seal Ganondorf away AGAIN in the Sacred Realm. In Skyward Sword, the FINAL events pretaining to the Master Sword happen, which I'm led to believe is why the Master Sword becomes your helper. You save the world from Ganondorf again (if Ganondorf's not in that game, then this timeline theory is wrong) and bring peace to Hyrule. The events of Minish Cap happens soon after Twilight Princess ends(NOTE AGAIN: AT THIS POINT THE MASTER SWORD NO LONGER EXISTS IN THE CHILD TIMELINE). Here's when the Master Sword breaks by Vaati and is reforged into the Four Sword. Link takes control of the Four Sword and seals away Vaati, saving Hyrule again. Not long afterward the events of Four Swords Adventures occurs (they could both be considered the same game ^w^ FSA and FS.) and Link is split into 4, releasing Vaati and then having to reseal him again. The Legend of Zelda's events occurs with Ganon rising again, but no longer in human form... so something in Skyward Sword HAS to occur that makes Ganondorf turn into his true form; Ganon PERMANENTLY... Once he's back into his true form, for some reason the Four Sword doesn't exist and I think it's because it was destroyed by Vaati again and Link has to use a regular weapon to slay him and you may ask yourselves: "Why does Ganon get sealed if there's no sacred blade???" Well it could be that since Ganon isn't Ganondorf anymore and his powers are skinned slightly he's weaker... Who knows? Then he "KILLS" (yes, again...) Ganon and the events of The Adventure of Link happens. Ganon's minions are trying to revive Ganon and take over Hyrule again and obviously enough... they fail... (NOTE AGAIN: Do you ever remember in that order a Master Sword returning??? It's good evidence that that's how it happened in that order ^w^. It's also on Adult Link's side of the story that Ganondorf's DEAD now. Didn't expect that did you? Well I hope that answered all of your questions ^w^ Ask me about the existence of Dark Link and Fierce Deity if you want to know a few more controversies ^w^ I know a few ^w^ and yes... ^w^ is my favorite emote ^w^!!!!!! A very interesting theory there and explains a lot. However I still have a few questions... Firstly you say that Orcales happen in the Adult time line following Ocarina. Twinrova was killed in the adult events of Ocarina of Time. So how came they appeared again in the same time line? Also, while you said a time split occurs in Oracle of Ages , it is theoretically impossible because, Twinrova needed both the flame of Sorrow and flame of Destruction (along with flame of Despair) to revive Ganon. If both happens in different timelines it is impossible for Twinrova to attain both. Also, even if the manga is considered non-canon, it has quite believable facts about how Seasons come before Ages. Impa is the clue. Also something just isn't right... after wind waker everything fits perfectly but before that, it is stated that the world of Hyrule didn't see another Hero at all and the way I get it, the people waited for 'his' re-appearance ever since the end of Ocarina's adult time ending. And yeah, if Ganon does reappear after Spirit Tracks, it means NiNTENDO HAS SCREWED THEMSELVES UP! I don't have much to say about the child time continuation. It is clear that Twilight Princess happens after Majora's Mask but I do not think the Hero of Time would change into a stalkid in the lost woods. The very power of the Triforce of courage controls this transformation. And he had the ocarina of time. So why would he choose to get lost when he could play the prelude of light and appear at the temple of time from anywhere? The Shade of Hero is not related to the Hero of Time IMO and just because they have the same foot stance and hints something doesn't mean they are the same. He could be some other knight from the Hyrule castle. I once even thought that he can also be some of Dark Link's incarnation (provided that Dark Link was initially formed out of Hero of Time's failed sides) and was seeking redemption by training the younger hero. Also if taking on the fact that Hero of Time did become the Shade, then something doesnt fit right... The hero was once a famed swordsman in Hyrule. So if Link in the child time ever got lost in the lost woods he never had the time to gain his fame. And for now i have no more comments for the sword becoming the fourswords. until SKyward Sword comes out it is nearly impossible to fit it in and even call it an speculation.
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:54 am
Ryuzo Nakata Kai Rogers Ryuzo Nakata There is this interesting thing I've noticed about Ocarina of Time and Oracle of Ages. And its about the time split theory. Before I go further let me make a certain things clear. In this thread, it will be assumed that- ( 1 ) Ocarina of Time is the first story ( 2 ) A time split did happen. No other way to prove the simultaneous existence of Twilight Princess and The Wind Waker. ( 3 ) Oracle of Ages happens after Ocarina of Time (whether Adult or Child time line; after Majora's Mask if child) ( 4 ) The evidences that support Oracle of Ages to happen after Ocarina of Time is the presence of Ganon and Twinrova ( 5 ) Although Orcale of Ages and Oracle of Seasons can be played in any order, it is proven that Oracle of Seasons comes first and OoA happens after OoS. ( 6 ) In any case, the Link in the Oracle series is NOT the hero of time or his child incarnation whether its parallel to the adult or child time line ( 7 ) Similarly, the Zelda in the Oracle series is NOT the same Sage of Light as in Ocarina of Time whether its parallel to the adult or child time line ( 8 ) Visually and characteristically the Impa in this is not the same Impa from OoT. But this Impa can be considered to be a descendant of the Sheikah. With those factors made clear, now time to descend into the subject itself~ As we all agree with this facts that a time split did happen at the end of Ocarina of Time, and the time got separated into adult and child times, everything went fine till came the Oracle of Ages. Before I go into the main problem, let me add another confusion to the list. Which time line does Oracle of Ages does happen? Child time line? But there seems to be little evidence in this. Zelda in OoA is not the And if Twilight Princess were to happen around 100 years after Ocarina of Time then this event did not happen between that. Adult time line? Again that is not possible as the Hero supposedly didn't return between the end of Ocarina's adult time line and the start of The Wind Waker. But for simplicity's sake we would consider this happen somewhere in the child time line as it makes the fact safer that history was indeed altered in OoA. Now for the real complication and the big question: Why did a Time Split occur when The Hero of Time went back 7 years at the end of Ocarina of Time but throughout the events of Oracle of Ages Veran constantly alters events via Nayru yet no Time Split occurs? Another split should have occured if Veran were to go back in time and change things, yet the change reflected in the same time! So I leave the readers of this thread to discuss two things- Which time line does Oracle of Ages belongs to and Why did no time split occur during the events of Oracle of Ages? Ironically and luckily for you I know ALMOST everything about the split timeline theory ^w^ Here's your questions answered: Your first question: Oracle of Ages/Seasons were involved in the Adult Link's timeline, NOT young Link's because after the Adult events in OoT came ALttP which the Master Sword was returned to the Pedestal of Time and you gained the Master Sword in ALttP in the woods which could've been the Temple of Time after it was destroyed... after Link (a different Link of course) saved Hyrule and returned the Triforce, it then sent Link into a different world and that's where OoS/A events occur with the SAME Link. Second Question: The Time Split still occured because after Adult Link sealed Ganondorf he put the Master Sword back. He then went to warn Zelda (and this is AFTER Link saves Hyrule in the future and the end credits are shown you see Link unsurprised and Zelda is surprised to see him) that Ganondorf is gonna take over Hyrule (what other reasons would she have known a FOREST BOY WITH A GREEN AND SHINING STONE would come to her?) Ganondorf also snatched the Triforce of Power when Link first pulled the sword which created 2 GANONDORFS!!!!!! One for Child's side and the other for Adult's side. Oracle of Ages' time split theory suggests that since Nayru did time travel at one point, the Link from OoA was cloned and put into OoS... Remember, believe what you want this is all just speculation ^w^. Well I can't tell you anything about "Veran" because I don't know anything much about him... but here's the timeline in proper order ADULT LINK'S SIDE: Ocarina of Time, A Link to the Past, Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, Link's Awakening and finally: Spirit Tracks. The reason about the Great Flood: Centuries before Wind Waker a great flood ensued which was PROBABLY caused by the Goddesses when Link didn't return from OoS to save Hyrule when Ganon grasped ahold of it. So they sunk Hyrule not to kill Ganon but to hide it from him. Afterwards Link comes back and "KILLS" not "Seals" Ganondorf forever on the Adult Link's side of the story thus ridding Adult Link's side of Ganondorf and Ganon forever. You never see them in the games set in the timeline afterward do you??? That's what I thought ^w^ Phantom Hourglass which was a sequel to Wind Waker took place in "a dream" kinda like Link's Awakening right? Then Link's Awakening took place and he awoke the Wind Fish (In Link's Awakening the world was still flooded, remember that) and then Spirit Tracks comes out YEARS later and the great flood dies down (keep in mind the Goddesses returned Hyrule to normal again because Ganondorf no longer roamed the earth). That's it for Adult Link's side so far. If we are ever to see a Zelda game on Adult Link's side with Ganondorf in it then this theory is COMPLETELY WRONG. YOUNG LINK'S SIDE: Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Minish Cap, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures, Zelda, Adventure of Link. REASON: Link wandered into the Lost woods to find Navi at the end and beginning of Majora's Mask. He could possibly have died in the Lost Woods turning into a "Creature" and becoming the "Swordsman Spirit" from Twilight Princess that teaches you the hidden skills. (NOTE: KEEP IN MIND THE MASTER SWORD STILL EXISTS!!!!!!) In TP, Link used the Master Sword to seal Ganondorf away AGAIN in the Sacred Realm. In Skyward Sword, the FINAL events pretaining to the Master Sword happen, which I'm led to believe is why the Master Sword becomes your helper. You save the world from Ganondorf again (if Ganondorf's not in that game, then this timeline theory is wrong) and bring peace to Hyrule. The events of Minish Cap happens soon after Twilight Princess ends(NOTE AGAIN: AT THIS POINT THE MASTER SWORD NO LONGER EXISTS IN THE CHILD TIMELINE). Here's when the Master Sword breaks by Vaati and is reforged into the Four Sword. Link takes control of the Four Sword and seals away Vaati, saving Hyrule again. Not long afterward the events of Four Swords Adventures occurs (they could both be considered the same game ^w^ FSA and FS.) and Link is split into 4, releasing Vaati and then having to reseal him again. The Legend of Zelda's events occurs with Ganon rising again, but no longer in human form... so something in Skyward Sword HAS to occur that makes Ganondorf turn into his true form; Ganon PERMANENTLY... Once he's back into his true form, for some reason the Four Sword doesn't exist and I think it's because it was destroyed by Vaati again and Link has to use a regular weapon to slay him and you may ask yourselves: "Why does Ganon get sealed if there's no sacred blade???" Well it could be that since Ganon isn't Ganondorf anymore and his powers are skinned slightly he's weaker... Who knows? Then he "KILLS" (yes, again...) Ganon and the events of The Adventure of Link happens. Ganon's minions are trying to revive Ganon and take over Hyrule again and obviously enough... they fail... (NOTE AGAIN: Do you ever remember in that order a Master Sword returning??? It's good evidence that that's how it happened in that order ^w^. It's also on Adult Link's side of the story that Ganondorf's DEAD now. Didn't expect that did you? Well I hope that answered all of your questions ^w^ Ask me about the existence of Dark Link and Fierce Deity if you want to know a few more controversies ^w^ I know a few ^w^ and yes... ^w^ is my favorite emote ^w^!!!!!! A very interesting theory there and explains a lot. However I still have a few questions... Firstly you say that Orcales happen in the Adult time line following Ocarina. Twinrova was killed in the adult events of Ocarina of Time. So how came they appeared again in the same time line? Also, while you said a time split occurs in Oracle of Ages , it is theoretically impossible because, Twinrova needed both the flame of Sorrow and flame of Destruction (along with flame of Despair) to revive Ganon. If both happens in different timelines it is impossible for Twinrova to attain both. Also, even if the manga is considered non-canon, it has quite believable facts about how Seasons come before Ages. Impa is the clue. Also something just isn't right... after wind waker everything fits perfectly but before that, it is stated that the world of Hyrule didn't see another Hero at all and the way I get it, the people waited for 'his' re-appearance ever since the end of Ocarina's adult time ending. And yeah, if Ganon does reappear after Spirit Tracks, it means NiNTENDO HAS SCREWED THEMSELVES UP! I don't have much to say about the child time continuation. It is clear that Twilight Princess happens after Majora's Mask but I do not think the Hero of Time would change into a stalkid in the lost woods. The very power of the Triforce of courage controls this transformation. And he had the ocarina of time. So why would he choose to get lost when he could play the prelude of light and appear at the temple of time from anywhere? The Shade of Hero is not related to the Hero of Time IMO and just because they have the same foot stance and hints something doesn't mean they are the same. He could be some other knight from the Hyrule castle. I once even thought that he can also be some of Dark Link's incarnation (provided that Dark Link was initially formed out of Hero of Time's failed sides) and was seeking redemption by training the younger hero. Also if taking on the fact that Hero of Time did become the Shade, then something doesnt fit right... The hero was once a famed swordsman in Hyrule. So if Link in the child time ever got lost in the lost woods he never had the time to gain his fame. And for now i have no more comments for the sword becoming the fourswords. until SKyward Sword comes out it is nearly impossible to fit it in and even call it an speculation. If you remember in Ocarina of Time when you defeat the Twinrova Sisters, they state "I'll come back to haunt you." Also you must realize that they are Ganondorf's "Surrogate" mothers and could have power close to his own leading to their ressurections... Once you say this, I find it hard to believe OoA/S occured in the Adult timeline now, thank you. If both were to happen in different timelines it WOULDN'T be impossible to attain both flames to revive Ganon. Just as Link and EVERYONE else were thrown into an alternate timeline, so would the two (or 3) flames you're talking about. Therefore leaving the possibilities not impossible, but not too high because the chances of Twinrova succeeding BOTH times are low. Wind Waker's beginning stated that the Hero of Time didn't come back, yes, but the games don't state what happened to him. If Skyward Sword DOES come after TP then something in Skyward Sword MUST happen to make the Hero of Time not exist anymore, since during and after Wind Waker, the Hero of Winds is the only hint of light, NOT the Hero of TIme. He could've died in the Lost Woods or he couldn'tve. It's all speculation, but if the Hero's Shade IS Link's father from Twilight Princess then her mother could be Malon, since it was the only girl he knew that wasn't a Sage. If Malon is Link's mother it would also explain the fact that Link grows up in Ordon Village (a farm is what I'm pointing to) and the older version of Epona. The Hero's Shade could be the same Link from Majora's Mask because it doesn't seem like he FULLY turns into a Stalfos... he's fading. His dominant hand is ALSO his left. While you say he had no time to gain fame, there could be ANOTHER game in the near-future that fills in the gap between Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess ^w^ I'm also sick of people saying "The Master Sword doesn't exist in Skyward Sword. That little girl ISN'T the Master Sword" and "Hyrule and Ganondorf won't be in it." If this timeline theory is true which I find it hard not to believe other than the gap between Twilight and Majora, then Skyward Sword HAS to have Ganondorf in it, this WILL be the last explanation in the child's timeline about the Master Sword, Hyrule will be the overworld AND Aderu: the little girl, IS THE MASTER SWORD. Look at her body, it clearly resembles the sword while Link ISN'T HOLDING IT!!! I also know the Master Sword is in this game because I've seen the E3 videos... ^w^
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 10:33 am
Kai Rogers Ryuzo Nakata Kai Rogers Ryuzo Nakata There is this interesting thing I've noticed about Ocarina of Time and Oracle of Ages. And its about the time split theory. Before I go further let me make a certain things clear. In this thread, it will be assumed that- ( 1 ) Ocarina of Time is the first story ( 2 ) A time split did happen. No other way to prove the simultaneous existence of Twilight Princess and The Wind Waker. ( 3 ) Oracle of Ages happens after Ocarina of Time (whether Adult or Child time line; after Majora's Mask if child) ( 4 ) The evidences that support Oracle of Ages to happen after Ocarina of Time is the presence of Ganon and Twinrova ( 5 ) Although Orcale of Ages and Oracle of Seasons can be played in any order, it is proven that Oracle of Seasons comes first and OoA happens after OoS. ( 6 ) In any case, the Link in the Oracle series is NOT the hero of time or his child incarnation whether its parallel to the adult or child time line ( 7 ) Similarly, the Zelda in the Oracle series is NOT the same Sage of Light as in Ocarina of Time whether its parallel to the adult or child time line ( 8 ) Visually and characteristically the Impa in this is not the same Impa from OoT. But this Impa can be considered to be a descendant of the Sheikah. With those factors made clear, now time to descend into the subject itself~ As we all agree with this facts that a time split did happen at the end of Ocarina of Time, and the time got separated into adult and child times, everything went fine till came the Oracle of Ages. Before I go into the main problem, let me add another confusion to the list. Which time line does Oracle of Ages does happen? Child time line? But there seems to be little evidence in this. Zelda in OoA is not the And if Twilight Princess were to happen around 100 years after Ocarina of Time then this event did not happen between that. Adult time line? Again that is not possible as the Hero supposedly didn't return between the end of Ocarina's adult time line and the start of The Wind Waker. But for simplicity's sake we would consider this happen somewhere in the child time line as it makes the fact safer that history was indeed altered in OoA. Now for the real complication and the big question: Why did a Time Split occur when The Hero of Time went back 7 years at the end of Ocarina of Time but throughout the events of Oracle of Ages Veran constantly alters events via Nayru yet no Time Split occurs? Another split should have occured if Veran were to go back in time and change things, yet the change reflected in the same time! So I leave the readers of this thread to discuss two things- Which time line does Oracle of Ages belongs to and Why did no time split occur during the events of Oracle of Ages? Ironically and luckily for you I know ALMOST everything about the split timeline theory ^w^ Here's your questions answered: Your first question: Oracle of Ages/Seasons were involved in the Adult Link's timeline, NOT young Link's because after the Adult events in OoT came ALttP which the Master Sword was returned to the Pedestal of Time and you gained the Master Sword in ALttP in the woods which could've been the Temple of Time after it was destroyed... after Link (a different Link of course) saved Hyrule and returned the Triforce, it then sent Link into a different world and that's where OoS/A events occur with the SAME Link. Second Question: The Time Split still occured because after Adult Link sealed Ganondorf he put the Master Sword back. He then went to warn Zelda (and this is AFTER Link saves Hyrule in the future and the end credits are shown you see Link unsurprised and Zelda is surprised to see him) that Ganondorf is gonna take over Hyrule (what other reasons would she have known a FOREST BOY WITH A GREEN AND SHINING STONE would come to her?) Ganondorf also snatched the Triforce of Power when Link first pulled the sword which created 2 GANONDORFS!!!!!! One for Child's side and the other for Adult's side. Oracle of Ages' time split theory suggests that since Nayru did time travel at one point, the Link from OoA was cloned and put into OoS... Remember, believe what you want this is all just speculation ^w^. Well I can't tell you anything about "Veran" because I don't know anything much about him... but here's the timeline in proper order ADULT LINK'S SIDE: Ocarina of Time, A Link to the Past, Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, Link's Awakening and finally: Spirit Tracks. The reason about the Great Flood: Centuries before Wind Waker a great flood ensued which was PROBABLY caused by the Goddesses when Link didn't return from OoS to save Hyrule when Ganon grasped ahold of it. So they sunk Hyrule not to kill Ganon but to hide it from him. Afterwards Link comes back and "KILLS" not "Seals" Ganondorf forever on the Adult Link's side of the story thus ridding Adult Link's side of Ganondorf and Ganon forever. You never see them in the games set in the timeline afterward do you??? That's what I thought ^w^ Phantom Hourglass which was a sequel to Wind Waker took place in "a dream" kinda like Link's Awakening right? Then Link's Awakening took place and he awoke the Wind Fish (In Link's Awakening the world was still flooded, remember that) and then Spirit Tracks comes out YEARS later and the great flood dies down (keep in mind the Goddesses returned Hyrule to normal again because Ganondorf no longer roamed the earth). That's it for Adult Link's side so far. If we are ever to see a Zelda game on Adult Link's side with Ganondorf in it then this theory is COMPLETELY WRONG. YOUNG LINK'S SIDE: Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, Minish Cap, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures, Zelda, Adventure of Link. REASON: Link wandered into the Lost woods to find Navi at the end and beginning of Majora's Mask. He could possibly have died in the Lost Woods turning into a "Creature" and becoming the "Swordsman Spirit" from Twilight Princess that teaches you the hidden skills. (NOTE: KEEP IN MIND THE MASTER SWORD STILL EXISTS!!!!!!) In TP, Link used the Master Sword to seal Ganondorf away AGAIN in the Sacred Realm. In Skyward Sword, the FINAL events pretaining to the Master Sword happen, which I'm led to believe is why the Master Sword becomes your helper. You save the world from Ganondorf again (if Ganondorf's not in that game, then this timeline theory is wrong) and bring peace to Hyrule. The events of Minish Cap happens soon after Twilight Princess ends(NOTE AGAIN: AT THIS POINT THE MASTER SWORD NO LONGER EXISTS IN THE CHILD TIMELINE). Here's when the Master Sword breaks by Vaati and is reforged into the Four Sword. Link takes control of the Four Sword and seals away Vaati, saving Hyrule again. Not long afterward the events of Four Swords Adventures occurs (they could both be considered the same game ^w^ FSA and FS.) and Link is split into 4, releasing Vaati and then having to reseal him again. The Legend of Zelda's events occurs with Ganon rising again, but no longer in human form... so something in Skyward Sword HAS to occur that makes Ganondorf turn into his true form; Ganon PERMANENTLY... Once he's back into his true form, for some reason the Four Sword doesn't exist and I think it's because it was destroyed by Vaati again and Link has to use a regular weapon to slay him and you may ask yourselves: "Why does Ganon get sealed if there's no sacred blade???" Well it could be that since Ganon isn't Ganondorf anymore and his powers are skinned slightly he's weaker... Who knows? Then he "KILLS" (yes, again...) Ganon and the events of The Adventure of Link happens. Ganon's minions are trying to revive Ganon and take over Hyrule again and obviously enough... they fail... (NOTE AGAIN: Do you ever remember in that order a Master Sword returning??? It's good evidence that that's how it happened in that order ^w^. It's also on Adult Link's side of the story that Ganondorf's DEAD now. Didn't expect that did you? Well I hope that answered all of your questions ^w^ Ask me about the existence of Dark Link and Fierce Deity if you want to know a few more controversies ^w^ I know a few ^w^ and yes... ^w^ is my favorite emote ^w^!!!!!! A very interesting theory there and explains a lot. However I still have a few questions... Firstly you say that Orcales happen in the Adult time line following Ocarina. Twinrova was killed in the adult events of Ocarina of Time. So how came they appeared again in the same time line? Also, while you said a time split occurs in Oracle of Ages , it is theoretically impossible because, Twinrova needed both the flame of Sorrow and flame of Destruction (along with flame of Despair) to revive Ganon. If both happens in different timelines it is impossible for Twinrova to attain both. Also, even if the manga is considered non-canon, it has quite believable facts about how Seasons come before Ages. Impa is the clue. Also something just isn't right... after wind waker everything fits perfectly but before that, it is stated that the world of Hyrule didn't see another Hero at all and the way I get it, the people waited for 'his' re-appearance ever since the end of Ocarina's adult time ending. And yeah, if Ganon does reappear after Spirit Tracks, it means NiNTENDO HAS SCREWED THEMSELVES UP! I don't have much to say about the child time continuation. It is clear that Twilight Princess happens after Majora's Mask but I do not think the Hero of Time would change into a stalkid in the lost woods. The very power of the Triforce of courage controls this transformation. And he had the ocarina of time. So why would he choose to get lost when he could play the prelude of light and appear at the temple of time from anywhere? The Shade of Hero is not related to the Hero of Time IMO and just because they have the same foot stance and hints something doesn't mean they are the same. He could be some other knight from the Hyrule castle. I once even thought that he can also be some of Dark Link's incarnation (provided that Dark Link was initially formed out of Hero of Time's failed sides) and was seeking redemption by training the younger hero. Also if taking on the fact that Hero of Time did become the Shade, then something doesnt fit right... The hero was once a famed swordsman in Hyrule. So if Link in the child time ever got lost in the lost woods he never had the time to gain his fame. And for now i have no more comments for the sword becoming the fourswords. until SKyward Sword comes out it is nearly impossible to fit it in and even call it an speculation. If you remember in Ocarina of Time when you defeat the Twinrova Sisters, they state "I'll come back to haunt you." Also you must realize that they are Ganondorf's "Surrogate" mothers and could have power close to his own leading to their ressurections... Once you say this, I find it hard to believe OoA/S occured in the Adult timeline now, thank you. If both were to happen in different timelines it WOULDN'T be impossible to attain both flames to revive Ganon. Just as Link and EVERYONE else were thrown into an alternate timeline, so would the two (or 3) flames you're talking about. Therefore leaving the possibilities not impossible, but not too high because the chances of Twinrova succeeding BOTH times are low. Wind Waker's beginning stated that the Hero of Time didn't come back, yes, but the games don't state what happened to him. If Skyward Sword DOES come after TP then something in Skyward Sword MUST happen to make the Hero of Time not exist anymore, since during and after Wind Waker, the Hero of Winds is the only hint of light, NOT the Hero of TIme. He could've died in the Lost Woods or he couldn'tve. It's all speculation, but if the Hero's Shade IS Link's father from Twilight Princess then her mother could be Malon, since it was the only girl he knew that wasn't a Sage. If Malon is Link's mother it would also explain the fact that Link grows up in Ordon Village (a farm is what I'm pointing to) and the older version of Epona. The Hero's Shade could be the same Link from Majora's Mask because it doesn't seem like he FULLY turns into a Stalfos... he's fading. His dominant hand is ALSO his left. While you say he had no time to gain fame, there could be ANOTHER game in the near-future that fills in the gap between Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess ^w^ I'm also sick of people saying "The Master Sword doesn't exist in Skyward Sword. That little girl ISN'T the Master Sword" and "Hyrule and Ganondorf won't be in it." If this timeline theory is true which I find it hard not to believe other than the gap between Twilight and Majora, then Skyward Sword HAS to have Ganondorf in it, this WILL be the last explanation in the child's timeline about the Master Sword, Hyrule will be the overworld AND Aderu: the little girl, IS THE MASTER SWORD. Look at her body, it clearly resembles the sword while Link ISN'T HOLDING IT!!! I also know the Master Sword is in this game because I've seen the E3 videos... ^w^ Well Malon and Epona from Ocarina of Time was not really necessarily the reason why Link and Epona today are there. People in Ocarina of Time known the Hero's horse was called Epona and so they believe it's lucky to call a Horse 'Epona'. Just because Malon wasn't a sage was no reason for Link to marry her either. In the child timeline Zelda wasn't awakened as the sage yet, so all I know they could also have married. However chances are low.
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