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Suicidesoldier#1
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:15 am


Considering the current interest in a number of forms of new technology and military weaponry, why don't we move this information to a specifically designed thread to do so!

What are some weapon ideas that anyone has?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:40 am


I'm deving the variable fighter concept using either the VF-0 or VF-1 for their simpler designs, along with the VF, in deving some multi target micro missiles that can be launched by rocket pod canisters, and highly powerful reavction missiles.

Archer_Jack


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:43 am


I'm deving the variable fighter concept using either the VF-0 or VF-1 for their simpler designs, along with the VF, in deving some multi target micro missiles that can be launched by rocket pod canisters, and highly powerful reavction missiles.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:21 pm


okay, but what's the advantage of creating something that can land on the ground and start fighting?

It's a cool fighter plane drawing though- and it supposedly gets 2083 mph, or mach 2.74, at it's cruising speed (lol), and is made out of "Space Material".

Still, the kind of material it would take to have something that could actually do anything like this is insane. If the plane had no internal working parts (I.E. it could turn into a plane just for kicks) it would seem plausible (assuming that mechs are plausible, which they aren't) but it somehow magically disobeys the laws of physics. You can't compress all the stuff that it compresses and it wouldn't be able to land without tearing itself apart, simple as that. :/

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:35 pm


It Gives an airforce the ability of presense, in that, they can actively land on the field in Battroid mode to provice 55mm gatling gun Fire support to infantry Forces( or for that matter Spec Forces in need of extraction). Along with the ability of presense, they can deply much faster than a tank or jet, as after they use up all of their missiles

(either in GERWALK or Fighter mode) they deploy in Battroid and can provide efective fire support or target designation for allied bombers to arrive

(to balance things out, they wont be carrying bombs, but they do have multi target missiles)

Not only that, theyre mostly going to players with an understanding of how they work, ( which right now is 3 people by the looks of it) And it could really be considered the special forces of Aircraft, besides stealth units( which arent really spec forces, just high security vehicles)
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:50 pm


Yeah...

But can't a helicopter do that?

I mean, it doesn't have to land at all, and it's much simpler.

It also flies around giving support to infantry rather than landing. :/

You might consider a helicopter not fast enough or not whatever enough, but check out the V-22, seems to carry an enormous payload and be fast, and be capable of making quick landing.

Of course most V-22's only have a 12.7mm x 99mm BMG automatic cannon at present, but I believe prototpyes and MV-22B's have already been equipped with 20mm cannons with relatively little difficulty, and although a 30mm cannon would be hard to pull off, I doubt it would that troublesome.



Although an Apache Helicopter seems to be just as good as a reliable close infantry Support Candidate.

To be honest, a flying vehicle is probably much more useful than a landed one, and having a vehicle that lands seems useless to me- especially considering the fact that it's technically impossible. :/

I know what your hoping this weapon will allow you to do.

But it's just not physically possible, and there are much better options.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:51 pm


The main problem with the idea is that planes don't just have enormous spots of wasted space. Every place on a plane is made very specifically, and even the super thin wings are made to be super thin so that it can fly but not carry excessive weight.

Even if you place things on the wings or thickened them, there'd be no place for a basic armament. Also, the Gundam Models Fail to present engines and fuel containers- along with storage for oxygen, basic computer instruments, and advanced computer instruments. Then I'm supposed to believe that, regardless of having the room, arms and legs and torso's are made out of spare parts and pretty much excess material?

I mean you'd need three power sources- Jet Fuel, Mechanical power, and another that would magically transform the robot. Do you realize that any electric engine that could be made to cause the vehicle to "Open up" would be too inflexible to allow something like that to occur?

Let alone the ability for this thing to land- mechanical legs are not very strong, and bumpy landing strips tear the crap out of planes. And I already showed you the physics in the previous thread about how it would take something that could absorb roughly 68,000,000 joules (over 40,000 .223 rounds being fired simultaneously without any restraint, I.E. no gun) to allow the vehicle to come to a rest. As another comparison, a single 30mm round, which results in 80,000 joules, if it was unrestrained and fired, would cause a person being roughly 100 Kg (220 pounds) to fly back at roughly 90 mph. A person weighing say, 180 pounds, would fly back at roughly 99 mph. To stop a loaded F-35, you would need over 68,000,000 joules. That's roughly 850 times more energy then a 30mm round. So, technically, you could fire 850 unrestrained 30mm rounds every time it landed (although technically the device absorbs most the energy), or you could experience the same amount of energy that would cause a 100 Kg person to fly back 1166 m/s, or 2608 mph... every time you crash. Not to mention roughly 1,932,021 Kg * M/s, which is an enormous amount of momentum, and incredibly hard to stop.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:29 pm


oi oi, let an imagination run wild, it might help improve chances, and i hope you do realize im not fond of rotor aircraft.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:38 pm


I'll let your imagination run wild, it just won't always be listened to. xp

And you don't like rotorcraftsz!? But but but!

That would do exactly what you would want it to and more! blaugh






As well, let's break this into it's basic components. It's essentially a Mech and a multi-role aircraft; a multi-role aircraft with extreme infantry support.

There's two parts to the mech- the first, a Tank, the second a humanoid like contraption.

There's three parts to the Fighter- The Fighter, The Bomber, and the Attack portion.



So let's create a F/A/B plane- it'll be a new class of plane, a Fighter-Attack-Bomber, instead of a Fighter-bomber or a Fighter-Attack plane! blaugh

It would very essentially be a plane with extreme variations in flight speed and altitude capabilities, along with a heavy cannon, air-to-air missiles, and air-to-ground explosives, along with the ability to preform at a fighter's ability (the G and stress levels, along with being able to do Barrel rolls and the like, as well as lock on to enemy planes) among other things. It would be rather heavy, and somewhat large, but it would have computer systems from most modern aircraft.



As for the mech, we could create a human suit and a mech- although the mech would hardly resemble a mech, more like a legged tank.
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