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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:55 pm
I am kinda confused on this...The Devil also known as Shaytan, is a jinn so does that mean that demons don't exist in Islam or are there devils? I don't know I feel so confused...Jinns can't be angels since angels follow whatever Allah tells us to, so what are jinns?
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:22 pm
To my understanding Jinns are just like us. But they live in like....a parallel universe.
Someone else can elaborate, but i think that is the main point.
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:44 pm
If I may elaborate, al-jin are creatures created by Allâh swt to serve him, as we are. The difference is that we can't see them, but they see us. While we were created from mud, they were created from fire.
Jin, in terms of their religious beliefs are different from us human beings. Some are believers in Allâh, others are not.
Also, to the best of my knowledge, "Al-Shaytän" when used with an article (Al- means "The" in Arabic), it particularly refers to the devil. However, I remember a teacher explaining that the term shaytän as a common noun is used to refer to either a human being or jin who advocates against obeying Allâh.
I would explain more, and go through more details if I were not very, very exhausted sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:12 am
I kinda understand...I know about the parallel universe, and I know some people can even see them...So are the bad jinns devils and the good jinns...jinns?
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:09 am
Juuri Kuran-952 I kinda understand...I know about the parallel universe, and I know some people can even see them...So are the bad jinns devils and the good jinns...jinns? I believe so. It is similar to there being good and bad among people.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:02 pm
Kimyanji Juuri Kuran-952 I kinda understand...I know about the parallel universe, and I know some people can even see them...So are the bad jinns devils and the good jinns...jinns? I believe so. It is similar to there being good and bad among people. Errr...? If jinns are created for the same purpose like human, then bad jinns are not the devil. They are simply bad. Like humans. If humans are bad, that doesn't make us devil. =P Jinn can possessed human though. I've seen a video of a body (dead body) being possessed by Jinns and was teach to read Syahadah. Well, not really. Just in video. ^ ^ll I guess Jinns can choose to be Islam, right. P=
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:28 pm
Posses humans...my cousin talked about that...it freaked me out on a very large level...Okay so Devil's don't exist in Islam...only bad jinn, is that what you are saying?
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:47 pm
dTranquility Kimyanji Juuri Kuran-952 I kinda understand...I know about the parallel universe, and I know some people can even see them...So are the bad jinns devils and the good jinns...jinns? I believe so. It is similar to there being good and bad among people. Errr...? If jinns are created for the same purpose like human, then bad jinns are not the devil. They are simply bad. Like humans. If humans are bad, that doesn't make us devil. =P Jinn can possessed human though. I've seen a video of a body (dead body) being possessed by Jinns and was teach to read Syahadah. Well, not really. Just in video. ^ ^ll I guess Jinns can choose to be Islam, right. P= As for the existence of "human devils" (Shayä tïn), it is mentioned in Sürat Al-An`äm (No. 6): وَكَذَٰلِكَ جَعَلْنَا لِكُلِّ نِبِيٍّ عَدُوّاً شَيَٰطِينَ ٱلإِنْسِ وَٱلْجِنِّ يُوحِي بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَىٰ بَعْضٍ زُخْرُفَ ٱلْقَوْلِ غُرُوراً وَلَوْ شَآءَ رَبُّكَ مَا فَعَلُوهُ فَذَرْهُمْ وَمَا يَفْتَرُونَ
Wa-kadälika ja`al-nä li-kulli nabiyyin `aduwwan shayätïna al-'insi wa-al-jinni yühï ba`dhum 'ilà ba`din zikhrufa l-qawli ghurüran wwa-law shä'a Rabbu-ka mä fa`al-ü-hu, fa-dar-hum wa-mä yaftar-ün
6:112 (Asad) AND THUS it is that against every prophet We have set up as enemies the evil forces from among humans as well as from among invisible beings that whisper unto one another glittering half-truths meant to delude the mind [98] But they could not do this unless thy Sustainer had so willed: stand, therefore, aloof from them and from all their false imagery!
6:112 (Y. Ali) Likewise did We make for every Messenger an enemy,- evil ones among men and jinns, inspiring each other with flowery discourses by way of deception. If thy Lord had so planned, they would not have done it: so leave them and their inventions alone.
6:112 (Picktall) Thus have We appointed unto every Prophet an adversary--devils of humankind and jinn who inspire in one another plausible discourse through guile. If thy Lord willed, they would not do so; so leave them alone with their devising;Notice that Picktall translates "Shayä tïn" into "devils". You are right though that the jin can choose Islam as some of us humans did. 72:1 (Asad) SAY: "It has been revealed to me that some of the unseen beings gave ear [to this divine writ], [1] and thereupon said [unto their fellow-beings]: "'Verily, we have heard a wondrous discourse, 72:2 (Asad) guiding towards consciousness of what is right; and so We have come to believe in it. And we shall never ascribe divinity to anyone beside our Sustainer,
72:1 (Y. Ali) Say: It has been revealed to me that a company of Jinns listened (to the Qur'an). They said, 'We have really heard a wonderful Recital! 72:2 (Y. Ali) 'It gives guidance to the Right, and we have believed therein: we shall not join (in worship) any (gods) with our Lord.
72:1 (Picktall) Say (O Muhammad): It is revealed unto me that a company of the Jinn gave ear, and they said: Lo! it is a marvellous Qur'an, 72:2 (Picktall) Which guideth unto righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe unto our Lord no partner.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:36 pm
I've heard of Jinn..but yeah it's hard to believe.. So does that mean ghosts exist? Idk. I guess if I believe in God, I should be able to believe in anything.
But possessing people? I thought that stuff was fake. Like the exorcist..lol
So..I don't know...it's weird.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:44 pm
Ah, this is interesting! biggrin I was so curious about the jinn. I wonder what Islam's view of ghosts are.
@waiting dear: Possesions and exorcisms are very real. For example, every Catholic priest is trained to exorcize demons and angry ghosts from people.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:17 pm
RubyLight Ah, this is interesting! biggrin I was so curious about the jinn. I wonder what Islam's view of ghosts are. @waiting dear: Possesions and exorcisms are very real. For example, every Catholic priest is trained to exorcize demons and angry ghosts from people. Whenever I think about exorcism, I think about humanity and ideas about emotions and such. Like the idea of "being beside oneself with anger" Kinda creepy when I let my imagination think about it.. xp
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:05 am
My dad explained it to me...sorta... He said that the jinn have free-will like us and can go the heaven and hell... The devil (Shaytan) is also a jinn since he is made from fire. His arrogance to bow down to a human is an exampal of free-will...and besides Shaytan is just the universal word of devil...so all the bad jinns are devils.
He also told me that in a way Shaytan is a Believer. There are two kinds of non believers- Atheist and those who know God is there, but still go against God's wishes
In Christianity, (Please correct me if I get some of this wrong...and I apologize if I got the wrong information...) the devil was a fallen angel correct? His name was Lucifer, right? Islam doesn't have fallen angels or anything such as that...
Quote: According to basic Islamic teachings, God created three intelligent races: angels, jinns and humans, of which the latter two have been granted free will to choose between good and evil.
Iblis was a jinn and a devoted servant of God. He attained a very high status and was brought close with the angels. God knew Iblis harboured ill intentions, however, and this was the reason for his name, Iblis "Desperate," or "despair."
The angels do not have free will and simply do not sin because they were not granted the freedom by God to disobey. When God created Adam, He commanded all the angels and jinn to prostrate to him as was termed "the Best of Creation". All the angels and jinn did so except Iblis, who refused to obey.
And We created you (humans), then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis, who was not of those who made prostration.
He said: "What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee?" (Iblis) said: "I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of clay". [Qur'an 7:11]
Iblis was proud and arrogant and considered himself superior to Adam, since Adam was made from clay and Iblis was created from smokeless fire. For this act of disobedience, God cursed him to Hell for eternity, but gave him respite until the Day of Judgment, after Iblis requested it. Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all human men and women astray to Hell as a way of revenge against them. By refusing to obey God’s order he was thrown out of Paradise and thereafter he was called “Shaitan”.
He said: Then go down hence! It is not for thee to show pride here, so go forth! Lo! thou art of those degraded.
He said: Reprieve me till the Day (of Judgement) when they are raised (from the dead).
He said: Lo! thou art of those reprieved.
He said: Now, because Thou hast sent me astray, verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path.
Then I shall come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right hands and from their left hands, and Thou wilt not find most of them beholden (unto Thee).
He said: Go forth from hence, degraded, banished. As for such of them as follow thee, surely I will fill hell with all of you.[Qur'an 7:14]
Although God grants the request, He also warns the Shayṭān that he would have no authority over His sincere ‘ubūd "devoted servants".
Lo! My (faithful) bondmen - over them thou hast no power, and thy Lord sufficeth as (their) guardian.[Qur'an 17:65]
I suspect some of this to be wrong since I found it on Wiki...I just remembered something, Quote: Every person is assigned a special jinn to them, also called a qareen, the jinns that whisper into your soul and tell you to give into your evil desires. Muhammad's jinn turned into a Muslim jinn, on the recitation of the Qur'an, as the jinn found it very beautiful.[13][14][15] However, the notion of a qareen is not universally accepted amongst all Muslims.[16] I was too lazy to type all of it... sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:24 pm
Your information of the Christian devil is correct. 3nodding I don't know if we all have a designated jinn to test us. I just thought it was the Saytan's universal whispering.
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Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:30 pm
Mythologies are my area of expertise, but i would never be arrogant enough to be more of an expert on this subject than an actual Muslim (unless that Muslim proves to be obviously ignorant on the matter >.> ).
what i have learned about the Djinn, is that they are Spirits made of Fire as opposed to he Humans who are made from clay and dust. mad ein the same way as Humans by Allah, but living on the Spiritual world. some of them are Muslim, some of them are not. but they all at least respect Shaytan, their king.
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:01 am
Alsalam Alaykum ~ :]
The Jinn are beings created with free will, living on earth in a world parallel to mankind. The Arabic word Jinn is from the verb 'Janna' which means to hide or conceal. Thus, they are physically invisible from man as their description suggests. This invisibility is one of the reasons why some people have denied their existence. However, (as will be seen) the affect which the world of the Jinn has upon our world, is enough to refute this modern denial of one of Allah's creation. The origins of the Jinn can be traced from the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Allah says:
"Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire" [Surah Al-Hijr 15:26-27]
Thus the Jinn were created before man. As for their physical origin, then the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) has confirmed the above verse when he said: "The Angels were created from light and the Jinn from smokeless fire" [1]. It is this description of the Jinn which tells us so much about them. Because they were created from fire, their nature has generally been fiery and thus their relationship with man has been built upon this. Like humans, they too are required to worship Allah and follow Islam. Their purpose in life is exactly the same as ours, as Allah says:
"I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me" [Surah Ad-Dhariyat, 51:56]
Jinns can thus be Muslims or non-Muslims. However, due to their fiery nature the majority of them are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Jinns form a part of the army of the most famous Jinn, Iblis- the Shaitan[2]. Consequently, these disbelieving Jinns are also called Shaitans (devils). As for the Jinns who become Muslims, then the first of them did so in the time of the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) when a group of them were amazed by the recitation of the Qur'an. Allah orders the Prophet to tell the people of this event:
"Say (O' Muhammad): It has been revealed to me that a group of Jinn listened and said; 'Indeed we have heard a marvellous Qur'an. It guides unto righteousness so we have believed in it, and we will never make partners with our lord'" [Surah Al-Jinn, 72:1-2]
In many aspects of their world, the Jinn are very similar to us. They eat and drink, they marry, have children and they die. The life span however, is far greater then ours. Like us, they will also be subject to a Final Reckoning by Allah the Most High. They will be present with mankind on the Day of Judgement and will either go to Paradise or Hell.
> Abilities :
That which clearly distinguishes the Jinn from mankind, are their powers and abilities. Allah has given them these powers as a test for them. If they oppress others with them, then they will be held accountable. By knowing of their powers, we can often make sense of much of the mysteries which go on around us. One of the powers of the Jinn, is that they are able to take on any physical form they like. Thus, they can appear as humans, animals trees and anything else. Over the last few years the interest in the subject of aliens and UFO's has become heightened. Programmes such as the X-files and the Outer limits have increased the popularity of the theory that aliens exist. Thousands of people have sighted strange looking creatures all over the world. These sightings however, have still not proven substantially that aliens exist. Rather - and it seems more plausible all the sightings of such creatures were just Jinns parading in different forms. So the next time you see something that looks like E.T, its most probably just a wicked Jinn trying to scare and confuse you!
The ability to possess and take over the minds and bodies of other creatures is also a power which the Jinn have utilised greatly over the centuries. This however, is something which has been prohibited to them as it is a great oppression to possess another being. Human possession is something which has always brought about great attention. But the true knowledge of this subject is rare amongst the people. Over the last 3 decades the subject of possession has become very commercialised. During the 70's films such as The Exorcist and Rosemary's Baby were used to educate people about possession. However, because such institutions (the film industry) were heavily influenced by Christianity, knowledge of the subject was non-existent. Rather then educate people about Jinn possession, films such as The Exorcist just tended to scare the living daylights out of us![3] Only through Islam can we understand such a phenomena. We know as Muslims, that Jinns possess people for many reasons. Sometimes it is because the Jinn or its family has been hurt accidentally. It could be because the Jinn has fallen in love with the person. However, most of the time possession occurs because the Jinn is simply malicious and wicked. For this reason we have been told by the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) not to loiter in those places where the Jinns reside, e.g. graveyards, ruins, deserts, market places etc. We have also been commanded to recite the Qur'an frequently in our houses as the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) said: "Indeed, the shaytan flees from the house in which Surah Al-Baqarah (the 2nd chapter of the Qur'an) is recited"[4].
If a person does become possessed, then the name of Allah has to be used in expelling the Jinn. If we look at the practice of the Prophet and his companions, we find many duas (supplications) to exorcise the Jinn. All these duas invoke Allah to help the possessed person. How contrary this is to many modern-day exorcists. Many exorcists, Muslim and non-Muslim, often invoke the names of others besides Allah to exorcise the Jinn[5]. When the Jinn does leave, these people believe that their way was successful. However, this is a ploy of the Jinn, as it knows that if it obeys the exorcist, then it has succeeded in making him worship others besides Allah i.e. commit shirk. The Jinn often returns when the exorcist leaves, as it knows that nothing except the words of Allah can stop it from oppressing others.
It is not only humans which are possessed, but also animals, trees and other objects. By doing this, the evil Jinn hope to make people worship others besides Allah. The possession of idols is one way to do this. Not so long ago the world-wide phenomenon of Hindu idols drinking milk, shocked the world. From Bombay to London, Delhi to California, countless idols were lapping up milk. Ganesh[6] the elephant god, Hanuman the monkey god and even Shiva lingam, the male private organ(!), all seemed to guzzle down the milk as if there was no tomorrow! Unfortunately people were taken in by this (including Muslims) and many flocked to feed (?) the Hindu gods. Anyone who knows about Jinn possession, will undoubtedly know that this is a classic attempt to make people commit shirk. And it worked, as many people started to worship these lifeless pieces of wood and marble. Anyone with half a brain would say to themselves, 'why on earth does a god need to be fed?!! Surely if Ganesh, Hanuman or Shiva were divine then they wouldn't need feeding?' However, such common sense seemed to be lacking as the Jinns played havoc with these gullible people.
Wasalam~
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