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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:10 pm
http://islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/Muslims-Watch-Porn-Masturbation-sex-toys.htm
The second paragraph about the Kafir women.....does it seem RIGHT? neutral Is this a fake Muslim website?
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:24 pm
I dunno...I dont think they warned against porn in the Q'uran because that shoulda been a given. I mean, I'm sure its not permitted to be a porn star.......and those robes are supposed to be for modesty. So I dont believe the Q'uran wants guys ogglin disrobed women all over the place. But ya.....a lot of websites nowadays try to twist literal interpretations of religious texts to see how much one can get away with in bedding matters. Like Christian pages where they push a**l and oral as alternatives to sex....and where they said much less on relationships between tow WOMEN than they did men.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:06 pm
Funny Yummy Cupcake http://islam-watch.org/MA_Khan/Muslims-Watch-Porn-Masturbation-sex-toys.htm The second paragraph about the Kafir women.....does it seem RIGHT? neutral Is this a fake Muslim website? Looking at the heading banner on that page, it's either a spoof site, or a site made by the more extremist nutters. EDIT: Or neither of those. The "About Us" page seems to convey that they are former Muslims who are trying to expose Islam as a false religion. Which to me, is taking it a bit too far. There are some essays on how a few of them came to leave Islam, including verses from the Qur'an that are, to say the least, quite surprising. IslamWatch, About Us Our ultimate aim is to guide Muslims out of the fold of Islam. We also expect that critical voice against Islam will render it somewhat benign. We plan to achieve our goals in the following manners: 1. We will criticize and expose the real truth about Islam without minding about any political correctness, whatsoever. 2. We will establish that Islam is false, that it is not revealed by any God, but was created by Prophet Muhammad himself to fulfill his greed, ego and ambition. 3. We will prove that Islam has nothing to do with peace; instead, it is a dangerous cult founded through violence, terror, plunder and extreme injustice by its founder, Muhammad. 4. We will prove that Islam is incompatible with the modern world. Islamic precepts stand in contravention to the concept of democracy, tolerance, human rights and gender equality and hence is dangerous for modern civilization. 5. We will demonstrate that Islamic terrorism, as witnessed today, is sanctioned by Islam. Terrorists did not hijack Islam; instead, Islam itself has hijacked some otherwise good human beings and turned them into machines for terror, murder and destruction. 6. We will also awaken the non-Muslim world, especially the West, about the short-term and long-term dangers Islam to their good and benevolent society. 7. As nontheistic humanists, we strongly affirm that human life should be guided by human conscience, wisdom and judgment based on the Golden Rules. This is an ever-changing, dynamic, process; as people gain new experience, scientific knowledge and insights into the workings of the world and human life, our ethical wisdom would change. Opposed to religious doctrines, no particular set of rules or values should be considered absolute and universal. We propagate that 'Live your own life and let other live theirs, as long as they don't harm and cause nuisance to others'. 8. "Islam Watch" will be dominated by ex-Muslim and moderate Muslim writers. We will make some room for non-Muslim authors to help us gauge how the non-Muslim world grasps the truth about Islam. 9. To create a critical mass of critics of Islam from Muslim backgrounds, one of our missions will be to create new writers, critical of Islam, from amongst Muslims. We will put maximum effort in nurturing these nascent talents. To this end, we will urge Muslim writers to pen their critical thoughts on Islam, regardless of how good they are, and we will try to accommodate them in our website. 10. Although "Islam Watch" has been launched by ex-Muslims coming mainly from South Asia, we aim to connect to Muslim apostates and critics from all corners of the world. We encourage them from all parts of the world to voice their opinions through "Islam Watch". 11."Islam Watch" will publish a comprehensive daily news concerning Islam from all corners of the world so as to keep our readers updated with the state of affairs of Islam worldwide. This, we hope, will transform "Islam Watch" into a unique hub for readers interested in the truth and reality of Islam from all corners of the world. 12. We will publish a select number of Op-Ed/Articles of non-Muslim authors of strongly secular conviction. Selection of articles by non-Muslim authors would be solely at discretion of the editors.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:06 pm
So is it encouraging Muslims to write against their faith? That article was revolting! I noticed that the author did not prove anything about sex slavery or provided the hadith he or she kept referring to. Those horror stories didn't have anything to do with masturbation. They were highly unnecessary and it's truth is questionable.
I read the about us site, It seems rather hateful and slanderous to me.
Sorry, I'm just a bit upset right now. sad
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 7:18 pm
RubyLight So is it encouraging Muslims to write against their faith? That article was revolting! I noticed that the author did not prove anything about sex slavery or provided the hadith he or she kept referring to. Those horror stories didn't have anything to do with masturbation. They were highly unnecessary and it's truth is questionable. I read the about us site, It seems rather hateful and slanderous to me. Sorry, I'm just a bit upset right now. sad Totally agreed >< That site is utter crap, made by ex-Muslims that are scorned in some way against Islam.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:37 pm
I read the one essay and the author of that particular essay actually did cite passages from the Qur'an...I won't lie; reading those passages gave me an "OH s**t" kind of feeling. Although it wouldn't surprise me if that writer decontextualized the passages.
I wouldn't ask anyone to go back into that site if they didn't want to, but if I were to copy-paste the verses and what he says about them (sans as much inflammatory stuff as possible, of course), would it be possible to have an explanation or some sort of discussion of what they actually mean? If not, that's fine.
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:03 pm
Violet Song jat Shariff I read the one essay and the author of that particular essay actually did cite passages from the Qur'an...I won't lie; reading those passages gave me an "OH s**t" kind of feeling. Although it wouldn't surprise me if that writer decontextualized the passages. I wouldn't ask anyone to go back into that site if they didn't want to, but if I were to copy-paste the verses and what he says about them (sans as much inflammatory stuff as possible, of course), would it be possible to have an explanation or some sort of discussion of what they actually mean? If not, that's fine. Sure, post the quotes in question. ^^
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:41 am
I only read the first paragraph and it already makes me sick. About Us- Who Are We? We are a group of Muslim apostates, who have left Islam out of our own conviction when we discovered that Islam is not a religion at all. Most of us took a prolong period of time to study, evaluate, and contemplate on, this religion of our birth. Having meticulously scrutinized Islam, we concluded that it is not a religion of peace at all, as touted by smooth-talking, self-serving Muslims and their apologists from non-Muslim from backgrounds. The core of Islam—that is, the Qur'an, Hadis and Sharia—is filled with unbounded hatred for the unbelievers, unbelievably intolerant toward them and extremely cruel and merciless to Muslims, who dare to deviate from its doctrine. We also realized that Islam is beyond alteration, because Muslims—who attempt to modernize and reform its unremitting bigotry, irrational rituals and its cruel and draconian punitive measures—are targeted for annihilation. Our verdict was that the only way to escape from the tyranny of Islam is to leave it altogether. We have, therefore, discarded Islam from our lives so that we can be free to enjoy a normal, pleasant and humane life in complete harmony with all peoples on earth, irrespective of their religion, race or creed. Having thoroughly understood—through our meticulous investigation of Islam, lasting years to decades—that Islam was nothing but a lie, most of us have left Islam silently because of the fear for our lives. As Islamic terrorism and violence overwhelms the world, particularly in the post-9/11 years, we felt that it's a responsibility upon us to make world's 1.4 billion Muslims aware of the falsity of their religion and its cruel nature so that they can make informed choice and leave Islam to live with love, respect and harmony with rest of humanity. We also felt it incumbent upon us to make the non-Muslim world aware of the reality of Islam and take timely precautionary measures against this religion of terror, hate and mayhem. We tell the world that the ongoing terrorism, unleashed by Islamic militants, is not an aberration from the so-called 'peaceful religion of Islam'; instead, it is the real Islam preached and practiced by its founder, Prophet Muhammad. A thorough study of the Qur'an and prophetic tradition (Hadith, Sunnah) makes it clear. We, therefore, have launched this website to expose the "real Islam"—the Islam that is determined to replace the modern civilization with the 7th-century Arab Bedouin barbarism, peddled as the true Islamic Civilization. Let the world watch Islam through www.islam-watch.org and be warned. 'Islam Watch' is founded by a few Muslim apostates. Hailing mainly from South Asia, some of us left Islam after the 9/11; others have been apostates since prior to that. We aim to establish that Islam is false. We feel that it needs to be emasculated, marginalized or eliminated altogether, if the Muslim world wants to come out of its current backwardness and quagmire, characterized by poverty, corruption, illiteracy, violence, misrule and tyranny, in which they have been thrown in due to Islamic indoctrination. To learn more about why some of us have left Islam, please read these testimonies: 1. My Journey to Freedom - MA Khan 2. Why I left Islam - Ali Sina 3. Making of an Unbeliever - Abul Kasem Visit our Leaving Islam page for more testimonies. Founders & members: * M. A. Khan (USA, Editor) * Abul Kasem (Australia) * Dr. Ali Sina (USA) * M. A. Hussain (Australia) * Sher Khan (USA) * Syed Kamran Mirza (USA) * Mumin Salih (UK)
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:20 am
FFFFFFFF. Garbage like this just makes me rage.
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:44 am
Man, I just dislike the kafirs for doing this. Did we do anything to their Holy books or masjids? No. Then why twist Islam?
Those Muslims who became unbelievers, have broken the oath of faith to Allah, and there will be a painful doom.
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:24 am
And the reason to kill a person who converts from Islam is because they "threaten" Islam. Not because they simply change their belief. I don't think they were Muslim. Maybe they are just some unbelievers who claim themselves was a Muslim. Maybe. neutral
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:47 pm
Funny Yummy Cupcake Man, I just dislike the kafirs for doing this. Did we do anything to their Holy books or masjids? No. Then why twist Islam? Those Muslims who became unbelievers, have broken the oath of faith to Allah, and there will be a painful doom. Please don't use the term kafir. Many people from different faiths like to twist the beliefs of others. It is the fault of these terrible individuals, not their faith. I'm sorry that you were exposed to such a terrible website. sad
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Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:31 pm
dTranquility And the reason to kill a person who converts from Islam is because they "threaten" Islam. How do they threaten Islam? I mean, I can understand that if they act like the people on that website, that it is a threat to Islam, but I'm sure there are those who are no longer Muslims that don't make issue of it. EDIT: Oki, verses in question as follows. I've re-read the essay a few time, trying to figure out a context or some possible justification for them in the given culture/time in history. Essay Writer Q.9: 29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. I guess I don't quite understand the need to pay a tax; wouldn't following the law of the land be enough to show that a non-Muslim in an Islamic country is accepting of the laws? Essay Writer Q.9: 113 It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allaah's forgiveness for the mushrikeen, even though they be of kin, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Fire (because they died in state of disbelief). Essay Writer Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 38, Number 4396 Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah: A thief was brought to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him). He said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! Then he said: Cut off his hand. So his (right) hand was cut off. He was brought a second time and he said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! Then he said: Cut off his foot. So his (left) foot was cut off. He was brought a third time and he said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! So he said: Cut off his hand. (So his (left) hand was cut off.) He was brought a fourth time and he said: Kill him. The people said: He has committed theft, Apostle of Allah! So he said: Cut off his foot. So his (right) foot was cut off. He was brought a fifth time and he said: Kill him. So we took him away and killed him. We then dragged him and cast him into a well and threw stones over him. I think I kind of sort of understand the reasoning for requesting the thief's death, but I figure it also wouldn't hurt to ask for clarification.
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Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:13 am
dTranquility And the reason to kill a person who converts from Islam is because they "threaten" Islam. Not because they simply change their belief. I don't think they were Muslim. Maybe they are just some unbelievers who claim themselves was a Muslim. Maybe. neutral That's what I was thinking too, especially reading the second paragraph. I assumed, "These people aren't Muslim. At all."
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 5:34 pm
Funny Yummy Cupcake Man, I just dislike the kafirs for doing this. Did we do anything to their Holy books or masjids? No. Then why twist Islam? Those Muslims who became unbelievers, have broken the oath of faith to Allah, and there will be a painful doom. They are haters of Islam. They choose to get this world their Heaven when they know this world is nothing close to Heaven. Muslims know better.
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