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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:41 pm
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:16 pm
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:16 pm
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White Angel Raven If there is life on mars, no im just spit-balling here, would it be too insignificant [meaning its bacteria or tiny creatures without the ability to perform a thought process], or would it be a near-extinction species. ok. here's my point, if it was advanced enough as we are, or even more so, wouldnt it have contacted us by now? but if they havent contacted us, then what level of evolution are they at?
Well, if life could develop on Mars, I suppose they could have contacted us. But, given that the maximum temperature on Mars is about 23 degrees F, and that the atmosphere is less than 1/100th the density of our own... probably only bacteria could ever have been, or will ever be. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:43 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:29 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:36 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:16 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:27 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:55 pm
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White Angel Raven true. but what hole is left? if they can show a mathematical selection of numbers [like primes], and recognize patterns, then we know that they are intelligent enough that together we would be able to create a sort of medium language that both species can understand. right?
Yes, that would indicate intelligence, but for true communication, we need something a bit more. To construct our common language, we need some objects that both of us experience. Mathematics by itself doesn't seem to refer to anything, so we need some way to define new terms in an objective manner. For that, we need physics.
To carry the metaphor, mathematics is the grammar, but physics is the language. One can't have a language without at least some grammar, but grammar alone is meaningless. It doesn't say anything. |
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:08 pm
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:09 am
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Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:33 pm
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VorpalNeko White Angel Raven Has anyone seen the movie Contact? that movie has a few good points about alien life. No, but I've read the book. I found its stance on π to be nonsensical. White Angel Raven like that math is the universal language, not one that we speak ever day. i mean, they probably have a whole different way of speaking than us. So, math and numbers are the only truly universal language. right? In my more Platonic moods I believe that, but most of the time I have doubts that mathematics has any semantic content whatsoever (or even that mathematicians should want it to). Without that, it's not any kind of language, universal or not. But it wouldn't be much of a problem for alien communication, because physics can plug that hole.
Hmm... I read this thread since it was bumped up. smile It's been a while since I've seen the movie Contact... but it was kind of a fun scifi.
So... I think math is our language for describing numerical/quantitative relations, and physics is applying that to the natural world. So if you have math that is specific enough you can infer what you are talking about physically from the context (like they did in Contact). But aren't there elements of human language that are difficult to quantify such as emotions or intentions? (Things that are cultural.) How would one communicate those things? Do you assume that the aliens also have them? Is there a mathematical theory that could include that?
Regarding Mars- hopefully as people continue to study the nearby solar system they will be able to form a more accurate picture of its natural history and current state. smile |
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Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:43 pm
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Most humanoid creatures, or intelligent ones for that matter, probably wouldn't form on mars. Though advanced life, possibly more advanced than our life now, may have been formed on mars a long time ago, it's most likely that the only life living on other planets at this time, as least the ones we could reach easily, would be bacteria; although bacteria isn't so far fetched, and if true, can give rise that planets are not just empty, lifeless masses, and that if most planets do have life, or moons even... then we might have the potential of finding other sentient life.
Regardless, the idea that life may be abundant in the universe, whether bacteria or humanoid, and that it's occurred more than once our solar system, will tickle my fancy beyond what I can describe...
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Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:40 am
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Theoretical Physicist Most humanoid creatures, or intelligent ones for that matter, probably wouldn't form on mars. Though advanced life, possibly more advanced than our life now, may have been formed on mars a long time ago, it's most likely that the only life living on other planets at this time, as least the ones we could reach easily, would be bacteria; although bacteria isn't so far fetched, and if true, can give rise that planets are not just empty, lifeless masses, and that if most planets do have life, or moons even... then we might have the potential of finding other sentient life. Regardless, the idea that life may be abundant in the universe, whether bacteria or humanoid, and that it's occurred more than once our solar system, will tickle my fancy beyond what I can describe...
I'll be pretty interested in seeing alien life myself:.
I think that alien life may be well anything actually I think we're probably miraculously missing the mark.//Missing the mark, verb phrase reffering,
meaning roughly, making incorrect guesses, miraculous being sarcastic. |
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