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kekadu
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:54 pm


I've been applying for jobs like mad lately and getting almost no responses. I realize now that I've moved to an area with probably one of the highest concentrations of people with higher education degrees in the entire U.S. After not hearing back from lots of jobs I felt I was qualified for, I decided to apply for all sorts of jobs- including a bank teller position. When the woman interviewed me, she said she thought I was "overqualified to be a bank teller." It felt very ironic.

Do you think Bachelor's degrees have been devalued in the U.S.? If you're from another country, what do you think the state of it is there?
What sort of impact do you think America's recession-time economy is having or will have on the state of higher education?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:27 pm


Has the value of a degree gone down? Possibly a little as a "status symbol". It used to be that only the rich could afford to get a degree, now it's a lot more accessable to everyone.

I think it depends more on the degree. Arts, commerce, business....are all rather general. In my mind, there is more "value" in a specific degree - Dentistry or teaching for example. Of course, once you've been working for a few years and have work experience in a field, I think that out weighs most degrees. In my mind, a degree is proof that you can learn.

I would also recommend that you "dumb down" your Resume, Kekadu, for when you're applying for jobs you know you're over quallified for. I know it's hard to ignore all that work you put into getting your degree, but think of it from their view. I'd not give someone the job if they were too qualified for the job because I would assume that they'd leave as soon as they found something better (Which means having to find someone else to fill the position again...and the costs involved, time wasted etc etc)

It took me 13 months and 11 interviews before I got my current job. It was worth the effort too.
Hang in there, Kekadu!

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AntoniaMerEnfant

PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:38 pm


I find the "over-qualified" line far, far too insulting. Recently I've been unable to buy groceries and I started exhibiting signs of malnutrition. I have to save every single dollar this month to make all the bills, so I have to ration what gas is left in my tank. I can't do another load of laundry despite clothing that is "funky" so soon I will be washing clothing by hand and drying them... somewhere (I lack a clothes line and pins, while inexpensive items when you cannot spend more than $2 it's a tough call).

Overqualified means nothing, nothing to someone who is hungry, soon to be homeless, and out of work. Besides, for some, there isn't a job that is "beneath" them. The pay differential is an issue, but employers need to learn that massive pay rifts between jobs will always shortchange them on the quality of candidates.

I've known many, many people with bachelor's and master's degrees working fast food, hotels, etc- whether as a first job or a second. In this particular time period of recession and impending economic depression- most of us are soon going to have to work very very hard for very very little. Unless something stops the market crashes and the downturn of the US "pocket-book" then pretty soon -any- job will be craved.

It's hit Springfield very hard already, as I unfortunately learned.
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:17 am


here in Germany the first bachelor program of study started about 4 years ago. i haven´t one, i´m still in a degree program of study.
the first thing about bachelor i taught was : "WTF?" then i saw the timetable and it looked much easier than mine , but it isn´t there are some nice traps that make you study very hard.
the problem is that if you are looking for a job most of the employer doesn´t know what kind of title bachelor is. most say it´s not good and they are looking for someone with a degree.
many people say a bachelor is just a half finished study, if you really want to get a job you need a master. thats the main opinion here, not my opinion!
i think there are some good things is the bachelor system, because in our old system you have a lot of those long run students who will study until they are 40 and then sit on the street because they never get finished and now are too old for another try. at the bachelor system you have a time limit if you need twice as long as normal and still have a lot to finish they talk to you.

i bashed my study because it was more difficult than i taught and i didn´t want to end up as the others : be in they 8th semester and listen to thigs from the 1st semester that i didn´t pass for the 3rd time, there are a lot of people in this situation at my subject and we all just get older and older.
now i´m looking for a vocational education.
wish me luck.

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Sablara
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:33 pm


Ameliechan

... if you really want to get a job you need a master. thats the main opinion here, not my opinion!

From what I hear, this is true in the US too.
In Australia, I think it depends on the degree. My Bachelor of Science in Geophysics was three years - employers expect an extra year of Honours....making it a 4 year degree.
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:46 am


I can definitely sympathize for you. I have two degrees. One in Literature the other in Art. My hopes of getting a dream job at the age of 23 has long and passed me. I do want to go to graduate school and have already been accepted to 5, but the way our economy is I can not get the loans nor afford to attend....so I have to work. I have recently accepted a position...that is hardly paying....as a Personal Assistant to a doctor for 30k....and I am wondering what was the point of going to school. I have a list (I kept a list ) of all the jobs I have applied for. I was to 193 as of Thursday. I got the call back for this job yesterday. It's crazy and insane.

I always joked that the Bachelor's was the new HS Diploma. Now I really do think so. Even though it's like "well get a MA is you want higher pay" it's pretty impossible ....as you all point out...it's being over qualified...and that no one wants to PAY with out economy in the s**t hole. Now it's down to the fact that I may have to relocate overseas at this point. -sighs- blaaaahhhhh.

Nithiya


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:13 pm


I've thought about the same thing, wandering to Europe or even South America, since I'm from Puerto Rico.. I'm in my last year of my Masters in Architecture, and thanks to law i had to get it, because i can't get licenced without it.. but i'm getting close to the finish line and getting scared, because the construction industry as almost paralized on the island, so very few if any firms are taking new people, and i'd so love to stay here, and be able to move out of my house finally.. which for me is a dire need.. but i don't know how that's gonna go.. everything is so iffy it freaks me out, and i have no idea what to do. cry
PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:45 pm


Myself I see too much of college education (on the bachelor's level at least) being "dumbed down". There days I feel it's become a pay-for-degree. It's so expensive!! I wish colleges had stricter entrance requirements. Nobody wants to be stuck in class with (pardon) dumb but rich kid #5. Even worse, nobody wants to be viewed as an intellectual equal with dumb but rich kid #5. I think because so many people lie about their rank on applications (and that some interviewers didn't have a good rank themselves) it means nothing to have graduated the top of your class anymore.

I had a 4.0, and (granted my undergrad college was small) only 5 other people had tied with me for first. Not one employer has paid attention to the words "Summa c** Laude" and said "jeepers miss, you must have worked hard for that! Perhaps you'd work hard on the job as well!"

Bah Humbug. I myself like the idea of cheap but really, really hard college. No rich kids paying their way and more poor but brilliant kids getting ahead. That way we have the best of the best out there. Nobody wants a half-witted doctor or a mediocre lawyer.

AntoniaMerEnfant

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