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 Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:40 am
I dunno if a lot of people have noticed but when they are into the lolita fashion, especially if they focus on a particular sect, their minds tend to convince that anything lolita must have some or most of their sect's features?
It's like that idea that if you're into decora, your fashion advice would include, "ADD MORE ACCESSORIES +_+!!!"
Especially with sweet lolita, where everything is sooooo cute and aristocrat and classic is somewhat different in terms of style, Or Wai Lolita and Kodona(did i even spell it right >o<)...
I dunno... maybe its just me ^^lll but what do you think?
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:51 am
i think i know what you mean.
i went clothes shopping this weekend, but barely bought anything because i thought that everything looked too much like incomplete lolita.
a shirt with frills on it couldn't be loli because it had no collar.
a pair of shoes with no bow on it wasn't cute enough.
and i couldn't even look at pants really, because they weren't girly enough.
it makes life rather difficult sometimes.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:27 am
[Wa-loli, you were close! However, it's 'persuasion' without the 't'.]
I actually haven't noticed that so much in lolita as other fashions [like the gyaru communities, holycow], though I suppose it does happen. Personal tastes are always going to flavor coordinates, regardless of which style you favor, so sometimes that comes out in critique, y'know? A lot of times, I've actually seen people [especially on Daily Lolita] advising others to wear something that isn't the same as what they, themselves, would wear.
For example, even though I think it looks stupid on me, I love seeing other lolitas with a ton of matching jewelry and cute hair accessories, just because it's visually stimulating. Because of this, I often feel like my own coordinates, and those of some others, are very bland and dull without an excess of jewelry or other little touches.
I'm not sure that my opinion counts much on that, though. I like seeing people mix the styles together quite a lot [like a gothic lolita wearing sweet jewelry, or a sweet lolita wearing studs, piercings and and darker-themed accessories].
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:29 pm
 (I was going to post on loli_secrets, but no ms paint)
Yeah, ever since I've gotten more and more into the fashion, my shopping selection has been difficult to me. I try to be more open with other fashion styles and coordinates (for example, more recent trendy clothes), but I feel like I've closed myself from anything that isn't remotely loliable.
(that's kind of bad for me since I'm already picky, thinking about majoring in fashion merchandising and may work in clothing retail)
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:40 pm
spuntino [Wa-loli, you were close! However, it's 'persuasion' without the 't'.]
I actually haven't noticed that so much in lolita as other fashions [like the gyaru communities, holycow], though I suppose it does happen. Personal tastes are always going to flavor coordinates, regardless of which style you favor, so sometimes that comes out in critique, y'know? A lot of times, I've actually seen people [especially on Daily Lolita] advising others to wear something that isn't the same as what they, themselves, would wear.
For example, even though I think it looks stupid on me, I love seeing other lolitas with a ton of matching jewelry and cute hair accessories, just because it's visually stimulating. Because of this, I often feel like my own coordinates, and those of some others, are very bland and dull without an excess of jewelry or other little touches.
I'm not sure that my opinion counts much on that, though. I like seeing people mix the styles together quite a lot [like a gothic lolita wearing sweet jewelry, or a sweet lolita wearing studs, piercings and and darker-themed accessories].
Actually, I notice this more on the other lolita guilds than this one. I rarely see it as much on this guild, maybe because we are just too open minded to the various lolita styles. I dunno, but i hear that one of the guilds has a lot of "lolitas in training" so their perspective of lolita is that of the sweet and gothic. I think this may cause a problem since wai-loli has some different aspects and so does aristocrat ,rococo, country, and classic. Well, i think in general with fashion, one has to dress accordingly. Like dont use black lipstick unless you can make it work, seriously! I also like to match, but sometimes, if you can make something pop out properly then its okay. Maybe just as me as an artist and knowing quite a bit about color theory, just makes me seem a bit more open to color than to just sticking to one matching color XP Oh, and I know what you mean about accessories smile I think they do a big difference to an outfit if worn well XP okay im going nowhere with this rant XP
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:29 pm
For starters, Gaia isn't really the best place to look for serious lolitas. ^^;
I mean, there are a lot of people interested in the style, but very few who actually are willing to learn to sew or earn the money to wear it. So. Most of it is theory rather than actual experience. It's possible that that's why things come out that way? Opinions are generally much more firmly entrenched if you haven't been exposed to other things.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:20 am
-C'est la lune qui conduit la danse...-
Very true, Kate. EGL has a much wider audience of Lolitas.
I dunno, my tastes haven't personally changed with shopping. I've always been a very sweet and girly person (in terms of clothes), so it's not much of a change, until it gets to me liking the little cake rings and whatnot. xD
@blackrose: I think it's good that they start with the simple Sweet and Gothic lolita, since wa-loli, country, and classic may be a bit more difficult to identify with at first. Country can be pretty easy, but then again a person has to learn about quality and learn for themselves if Fabric A would be good for this outfit, or would Fabric B be good as a skirt, etc. etc. As for Hime-loli (which I think you call 'Rococo'), it's really more of a theme, but again, you can't just slap a crown on your head and call yourself hime.
With most of the guideline-dictating, it's really so that newbies and those who don't really understand can learn to look at themselves and at whatever and see "this might not be good", or "this might not flatter me", and "This tone might be too showy" or "Being white as sheets is really costumey, and I don't want to seem that way". Once they know what they're looking for in terms of what flatters them and is still Lolita, and what might be more appealing in general, then it's pretty much smooth sailing for them. Of course you have to dress accordingly, but you have to learn how to do it and identify the difference between A and B.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:07 am
The rules thing can be really iffy, yeah. I generally stick to them pretty close since I don't have a huge wardrobe yet and most of it doesn't mesh so hot with ordinary clothes. It's fun to work in little odds and ends, though, like the accessories I mentioned before.
Also, the make-up thing is hotly in contention for every fashion. People always get so pissy when lolitas push the "natural make-up" on newcomers, but it's really just because there are so many people in the world who don't know how to do their own make-up or end up overdoing their make-up to the point of looking clownish.
Like that photoshoot that Bambi Flash [I think that's her name, she's another Houston girl and makes most of her own stuff] where the make-up artist made her up as a "geisha doll" with really awful thick eye make-up and clashing lipstick. That whole shoot pissed me off, though. The girl's so talented and gorgeous, but her photographer was awful and the make-up artist even worse. I felt so bad for her.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:57 am
Amanikitty -C'est la lune qui conduit la danse...-
Very true, Kate. EGL has a much wider audience of Lolitas.
I dunno, my tastes haven't personally changed with shopping. I've always been a very sweet and girly person (in terms of clothes), so it's not much of a change, until it gets to me liking the little cake rings and whatnot. xD
@blackrose: I think it's good that they start with the simple Sweet and Gothic lolita, since wa-loli, country, and classic may be a bit more difficult to identify with at first. Country can be pretty easy, but then again a person has to learn about quality and learn for themselves if Fabric A would be good for this outfit, or would Fabric B be good as a skirt, etc. etc. As for Hime-loli (which I think you call 'Rococo'), it's really more of a theme, but again, you can't just slap a crown on your head and call yourself hime.
With most of the guideline-dictating, it's really so that newbies and those who don't really understand can learn to look at themselves and at whatever and see "this might not be good", or "this might not flatter me", and "This tone might be too showy" or "Being white as sheets is really costumey, and I don't want to seem that way". Once they know what they're looking for in terms of what flatters them and is still Lolita, and what might be more appealing in general, then it's pretty much smooth sailing for them. Of course you have to dress accordingly, but you have to learn how to do it and identify the difference between A and B.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.- Yeah I really understand what you mean about how many start off with sweet and gothic first, but thats my sort of point... I think, I mean.... hmmm (gawd my lack of sleep is affecting my trail of thoughts) I don't find it bad because I was first inspired by the Sweet Lolitas, but then I was more into the floral patterns and styles and it steered me to really getting into country and classic lolita. Nothing wrong with starting in gothic and sweet, and im not saying its you in particular or anything, but there are people who do start wtih sweet and gothic, but after a while, something, i dunno, gets into their head that says if its not sweet or gothic its not lolita. Although, I do agree EGL is better XP I constantly read up on their opinions... I think I should be a bit more active on the EGL in LJ though :/ I need to update stuff more TToTT
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:02 am
spuntino The rules thing can be really iffy, yeah. I generally stick to them pretty close since I don't have a huge wardrobe yet and most of it doesn't mesh so hot with ordinary clothes. It's fun to work in little odds and ends, though, like the accessories I mentioned before.
Also, the make-up thing is hotly in contention for every fashion. People always get so pissy when lolitas push the "natural make-up" on newcomers, but it's really just because there are so many people in the world who don't know how to do their own make-up or end up overdoing their make-up to the point of looking clownish.
Like that photoshoot that Bambi Flash [I think that's her name, she's another Houston girl and makes most of her own stuff] where the make-up artist made her up as a "geisha doll" with really awful thick eye make-up and clashing lipstick. That whole shoot pissed me off, though. The girl's so talented and gorgeous, but her photographer was awful and the make-up artist even worse. I felt so bad for her.
That's really such a shame :/ In the end what sells is the group effort but it might affect her sales. Hopefully, shell find better makeup artists and photographers. About the makeup, I personally go natural only because its the only way i know how. I was never really raised with the whole im gonna make a smokey eye sytle or what not. Im just concealer, blush, lipstick/lipgloss type of girl. On occations ill put eye liner and mascara, but honestly, i dont need all that XP Gawd that sounded concited... Though, thats what makes it more open minded. Although I DO go for a mroe natural style, it doesn't mean ill say oh its all about natural. I say anything that enhances the look of your face and the overall outfit works! So any makeup looks good as long as its done right.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:24 am
Well, generally I'd say natural or light make-up goes best with lolita since the style is already so elaborate on its own. You don't need to be painting your eyelids up to match your dress with every single outfit, either. It generally just looks clownish and crazy, anyhow.
I do like heavier make-up for some styles, though. Gothic lolita looks pretty awesome with a bit of a heavier hand on the eyeliner and lipstick. It's just that sweet lolita [which Bambi was wearing for half of the shoot] really looks best when you look less painted up.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:28 pm
blackrose11 Amanikitty -C'est la lune qui conduit la danse...-
Very true, Kate. EGL has a much wider audience of Lolitas.
I dunno, my tastes haven't personally changed with shopping. I've always been a very sweet and girly person (in terms of clothes), so it's not much of a change, until it gets to me liking the little cake rings and whatnot. xD
@blackrose: I think it's good that they start with the simple Sweet and Gothic lolita, since wa-loli, country, and classic may be a bit more difficult to identify with at first. Country can be pretty easy, but then again a person has to learn about quality and learn for themselves if Fabric A would be good for this outfit, or would Fabric B be good as a skirt, etc. etc. As for Hime-loli (which I think you call 'Rococo'), it's really more of a theme, but again, you can't just slap a crown on your head and call yourself hime.
With most of the guideline-dictating, it's really so that newbies and those who don't really understand can learn to look at themselves and at whatever and see "this might not be good", or "this might not flatter me", and "This tone might be too showy" or "Being white as sheets is really costumey, and I don't want to seem that way". Once they know what they're looking for in terms of what flatters them and is still Lolita, and what might be more appealing in general, then it's pretty much smooth sailing for them. Of course you have to dress accordingly, but you have to learn how to do it and identify the difference between A and B.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.- Yeah I really understand what you mean about how many start off with sweet and gothic first, but thats my sort of point... I think, I mean.... hmmm (gawd my lack of sleep is affecting my trail of thoughts) I don't find it bad because I was first inspired by the Sweet Lolitas, but then I was more into the floral patterns and styles and it steered me to really getting into country and classic lolita. Nothing wrong with starting in gothic and sweet, and im not saying its you in particular or anything, but there are people who do start wtih sweet and gothic, but after a while, something, i dunno, gets into their head that says if its not sweet or gothic its not lolita. Although, I do agree EGL is better XP I constantly read up on their opinions... I think I should be a bit more active on the EGL in LJ though :/ I need to update stuff more TToTT
Yeah I know what you're talking about. There was this one manafag who've been posted on one of the wank communities (they're not on EGL though, other sites like Flickr), who started to just bash this Lolita and her friend via-instant messenger because she was wearing sweet/classic, and this chick FIRMLY believed that OMG IF IT'S NOT GOTHIC IT'S NOT LOLITA AT ALL. And apparently the lolita she was cursing at was a 'whore' to her because she was wearing RHS with some of her legs showing? (I think she was wearing knee-highs with them). And then went on with the regular, stupid "Mana creates everything and everything he does is Law"-type bullshit, and even went as far as bash the photographer who took the pics (who the retarded supposedly knew?) because of the same reason.
Really ridiculous.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:27 am
Amanikitty blackrose11 Amanikitty -C'est la lune qui conduit la danse...-
Very true, Kate. EGL has a much wider audience of Lolitas.
I dunno, my tastes haven't personally changed with shopping. I've always been a very sweet and girly person (in terms of clothes), so it's not much of a change, until it gets to me liking the little cake rings and whatnot. xD
@blackrose: I think it's good that they start with the simple Sweet and Gothic lolita, since wa-loli, country, and classic may be a bit more difficult to identify with at first. Country can be pretty easy, but then again a person has to learn about quality and learn for themselves if Fabric A would be good for this outfit, or would Fabric B be good as a skirt, etc. etc. As for Hime-loli (which I think you call 'Rococo'), it's really more of a theme, but again, you can't just slap a crown on your head and call yourself hime.
With most of the guideline-dictating, it's really so that newbies and those who don't really understand can learn to look at themselves and at whatever and see "this might not be good", or "this might not flatter me", and "This tone might be too showy" or "Being white as sheets is really costumey, and I don't want to seem that way". Once they know what they're looking for in terms of what flatters them and is still Lolita, and what might be more appealing in general, then it's pretty much smooth sailing for them. Of course you have to dress accordingly, but you have to learn how to do it and identify the difference between A and B.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.- Yeah I really understand what you mean about how many start off with sweet and gothic first, but thats my sort of point... I think, I mean.... hmmm (gawd my lack of sleep is affecting my trail of thoughts) I don't find it bad because I was first inspired by the Sweet Lolitas, but then I was more into the floral patterns and styles and it steered me to really getting into country and classic lolita. Nothing wrong with starting in gothic and sweet, and im not saying its you in particular or anything, but there are people who do start wtih sweet and gothic, but after a while, something, i dunno, gets into their head that says if its not sweet or gothic its not lolita. Although, I do agree EGL is better XP I constantly read up on their opinions... I think I should be a bit more active on the EGL in LJ though :/ I need to update stuff more TToTT
Yeah I know what you're talking about. There was this one manafag who've been posted on one of the wank communities (they're not on EGL though, other sites like Flickr), who started to just bash this Lolita and her friend via-instant messenger because she was wearing sweet/classic, and this chick FIRMLY believed that OMG IF IT'S NOT GOTHIC IT'S NOT LOLITA AT ALL. And apparently the lolita she was cursing at was a 'whore' to her because she was wearing RHS with some of her legs showing? (I think she was wearing knee-highs with them). And then went on with the regular, stupid "Mana creates everything and everything he does is Law"-type bullshit, and even went as far as bash the photographer who took the pics (who the retarded supposedly knew?) because of the same reason.
Really ridiculous.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.- Ugh the whole im a zombie of mana thing, its really annoying (>3<) First of all, im not a mana fan to begin with, but thats just me. I prefer Nana or Kana, but anyways that was retarded what that girl did. I mean that was just so one sided. I am not a HUGE fan of gothic lolita as well, but I've seen it look nicely. And thats even worse that she bashed on the photographer sad People should really be more open minded sad Maybe she just has no life? Friends?
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:27 pm
-C'est la lune qui conduit la danse...-
No life and no brain, probably. biggrin
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
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