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Noirkaze

PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:50 am


Okay, after the events of this morning I need something minor to distract myself for a little while. Since I seem to be stuck in soc. Mode then I’m going to post a question or two. You don’t have to worry about documentation or really anything for that matter. This is me just wanting to know how different people react to the same thing.

How do you deal with grief? Does it have levels based on whether you were close to the person or not? Does timing come into play? (I.e time of year, holiday, etc…)

I’ll be answering this as well.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:28 am


A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight...



Grief comes from loss, and not necessarily from death, meaning we can and do experience a lot of grief in our lifetimes. Some people try to take their mind off of it by spending time with friends. I personally spend time alone, getting to know myself and why I have the feelings in the first place.

I think of the 4 Noble Truths of Buddhism. The first truth is that nothing lasts forever. Knowing that means that we should expect grief for losing what we lost, but it also means that the feeling of grief itself won't last forever. That's why I think hiding from it is only delaying the pain.

The second truth says that craving will lead to suffering. Wanting a person back will lead to feelings of sadness.

The third truth says that ending the craving will end the suffering. You have to stop the wanting that leads to the pain.

Of course the fourth truth tells that the way to stop craving is through a path of meditation and discipline. Realizing that you are not your feelings helps take the power away from them.

Thinking and not thinking- just being, helps me get through hard times of grief.



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Adnamac

PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:37 am



With me, I'm usually very avoidant. I don't think about it, and instead occupy my mind with other things.

Like when my grandfather died two years ago, I refused to think about it. Every time I did, I just turned into a sobbing, soggy mess. If someone tried to comfort me it only made things worse. I didn't like being that way at all, especially when it seemed like I was the only one who was hit so hard. No one else seemed to have the problem that I did. So in that case I dealt with it simply by avoiding thinking about it when I could, and when I couldn't by crying all over the place. Looking back now, I think the reason that I was hit so hard by it was because it was so sudden. We had gone to visit him three days before and he was fine...and then a few days later he was just gone.

Sadly for my family, my grandmother recently joined my grandfather. She passed away just this Monday (yes, St. Patrick's day). Thought I was a lot closer to my grandmother then I ever was to my grandfather, I wasn't as much of a mess for her passing. Yes, I did cry but I just wasn't so soggy as when my grandfather passed. I also avoided thinking about it most of the time (turning my mind instead to learning what I needed to know for my new job and going on a cleaning crusade in that house), but also had something new to remind myself of. She wasn't hurting anymore.
My father and I had gone to see her just twelve hours before we got the call, and she was in so much pain. Seeing her that way hurt so much more then anything else, and thinking about it makes me more upset now then thinking that she's gone. Instead I just tell myself that though she's not here anymore, she's also not in pain anymore which I am thankful for. That and, she's finally with grandpa again.

Sorry for the length of this, I just started typing and kept on going.

PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:07 pm


everyone has their own way of dealing with grief. i tend to disassociate myself from everyone else, locking myself in my room for a period of time.
i don't show grief outward. i haven't cried at a funeral since i was 7. unfortunately, my outwardly numb appearance gives off the illusion of me not caring, which is far from the truth. i just don't show emotions.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:16 pm


I like to be alone and mourn, not necessarily cry. I guess I too, has seen too many deaths in my family, friends, or people I know in general in many different ways. That I feel sorrowful; but in most deaths, I try to think think by the third day or two, no matter how sad we depart from the people we love/ know. That it is not a time of sadness, but joy; because this is life it is unpredictable and we live how we want (choice) to live it until time will take us away....EDIT: even if your choice is to take your own life, that leaves people pondering why did you left us behind, when time has not come for you yet..I embrace the beginning (birth) and end (death) it is part of life.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:25 pm


Wow, there are some incredible answers thus far. I feel guilty because I've never lost anyone deeply I cared about, most of the relatives who died I mourned more for the loss of opportunity than anything else. I suppose I have thus tried to not let people slip by as much.

However, I have lost a lot in my life to forces other than death. The loss of friendships and the loss of romantic relationships have become as common place to me as eating a bowl of cereal. When I love, I love fiercely, and very few people know just how bad I grieve. Like Mike I don't always outwardly show my pain. I have circles, if you will, of what people see. It's not just that I don't trust my emotions to others (though that is an issue), it's also that I've built my life around being the support of those around me. I have a select, select few that I turn to when I need emotional foundation on a major level.

I have always found my strength by remembering the concept of resurrection in both Jesus and in the story of the Phoenix. Sometimes we must die inside, fall to the bottom, in order to be reborn from the ashes and return stronger than ever. A year and two months ago I lost my best friend and three days later my maybe love of my life (who knows though, the verdict isn't back yet wink another chap could easily win that title). Losing both relationships within a heart beat of one another was rather devastating. I became extremely irritable (and I left the guild temporarily).

I survived that by finding me again. After that one, well for some reason everything else has been easier since. Sometimes when you have a big enough hurt you discover to your amazement just how strong you are. Believing you -can- survive is half the battle. I also find that faith helps. We are small in the vastness of the universe and turning to something greater, be it Jesus, Brahman, the teachings of the Buddha, Athena, the Goddess, Allah, etc. Grief makes us powerless, and sometimes we need to remember that it is ok to let someone or something else hold the reigns of life.

AntoniaMerEnfant


Yonsan

PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:45 pm


Generally, I distract myself by surrounding myself with friends who take my mind off of it. Or I give myself a task to do, or go to work. Anything that makes it impossible for me to break down and succumb to my grief (because I just can't break down in front of people for some reason). But I'm kind of weird like that.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:58 am


I found out something amazing last night. Noirkaze- I know this thread was inspired by the passing of your great aunt yesterday. I turned on my phone as I was about to go to work. I had a voicemail.

My friend Kaity had her baby yesterday. A little easter miracle to remind us that with death comes life. I told my coworker and he thinks the little baby girl may just be someone familiar 3nodding

AntoniaMerEnfant


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:30 pm


*sends thoughts your way*

In the past few years, I've also had my share of grief, both expected and unexpected. The thing that keeps me going is that even though those I love passed, they would want me to keep going. I tuck their memory close to my heart and push on. Usually keeping busy by going to work somehow helps the shock pass for me, though it can be frustrating if people keep reminding me of it all the time. One of the things I least like to hear is "I'm sorry for your loss" or something equivalent...I know people are just trying to do their best to make me feel better, but it rarely helps for me. Maybe just spending time with someone I'm really close to who can give me hugs.

A nice thing is that I feel like after my relatives have passed the last few times, they've stuck around a little bit in energy-wise, spiritual presence, whatever you'd like to call it, just to let me know everything was going to be okay.

I don't know if that helps, but I hope the road ahead for you smooths out a bit.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:23 am


As Antonia states I lost my Great Aunt on Sunday. I took this harder than the other two deaths I've had to deal with since the last day of December. Talking with friends and family it was pointed out to me that it could be the fact that this is the third in three months. Five if you count the social acquaintances that have passed as well. It was also hard because this was the time of year, Easter, that I always saw her.

I think grief comes in many forms. Depending on the level of experience, role in life, and well many different factors you can feel it at varying degrees. Growing up death was a common thing for me. I come from a very large, very large family. My parents generation is the only that hasn’t had more than two children apiece. Family reunions were always fun as I had people in all stages of life to get close to and learn from. Unfortunately this also meant that I had to deal with death too. One of my earliest memories is of a funeral. I learned the concept of passing on to something else very early. In some ways this has changed my views on death and “the great beyond”. I do see it as a loss but not the end.
When I was little I could cry. Sometimes I think it may have been the overwhelming sensations around me as everyone was feeling loss to one degree or another. As I got older it took these emotions within me. I took on the role of caregiver and comforter. It gave me something to distance myself from my own emotions to process and deal with in my own time. In many ways I still do this. Seven years ago I lost my last grandparent. I didn’t show an emotion for over a month. I ate little and still thinking about it brings small tears to my eyes. I don’t know how many of my Aunts approached me with food and sat me down to make sure I ate something. It took me two years before I could express any of my grief. It was a trip to a Samhain festival with a pit stop, an out of the way pit stop, at the cemetery where my Grandparents are interred. As I sat there a sense of peace came over me and I was able to remember him and process my own feelings.

This past year at the same festival the main ritual was one of remembrance and mourning. Half the participants drew a red lot that represented their death. Those individuals were painted and walked around as ghosts all day. One of the prep rites during the day was lead by the community bard and friend of mine S J Tucker. During this rite she asked those gathered outside the circle of the dead to call out the names of their loved ones who were inside. I was one of the dead. I shocked me the number of people yelling out my name, those who cared for me and would miss me if I were gone. This small ten minute rite changed my concept of mourning and grief.
Too many times we get caught up in our own feelings of loss and abandonment to truly remember those who came before us. Although we need to deal with these feelings we should also focus some energy on acknowledging what these individuals did for us and the impact they had on those around us.
After I heard the news of my Great Aunt’s passing I called a friend for comfort and distraction. She made arraignments for me to join her family for dinner. I was adopted by yet another family for a holiday and in the process I think I may have made a good friend in a distant relative by marriage of one of my closest friends.

I think I may have rambled on long enough.
Thank you for your concern and support everyone.

Noirkaze

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