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funky_fudge_monkey

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:36 am


I was thinking about money the other day.... isn't it strange how it has so much power over people??
yet really, the materials it is made out of are worth very little.
isn't money a way of people trading for free without realising it??
you get money after doing a favour for someone, they give you a favour back (the money) to get a favour from someone else.
so, would a world without money be worse?? would it cause riots?? because peope wouldn't want to feel like they were working for nothing.
or would it be better to know that everything you did was out of the kindness of your heart??
i'm sorta finding this topic hard to explain... but i understand what i mean.
if you do, or don't understand what i'm talking about, you can leave your opinion anyway ^_^
because even if you interpret what i'm saying differently to how i think i am explaining it, then your views are still welcome, i'm sure you have something interesting to say about this subject smile
xX
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:04 am


they say money is the root of all evil. I disagree with this. greed is the root of all evil, and money fuels greed the most because it's so versatile. that's why people seek to acquire more and more and more of it. before currency, there was direct trade. people traded goods for goods. and while there was still things like theft, it was on a much smaller scale compared to when currency appeared.

Calypsophia


kyoshiro2

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:29 am


I love money... I want mmore than my fair share... Yes I admit I'm greedy but isn't everyone in there own little way... There has to be something you what alot of... Be it food... Jewelry... Time with some one... Money is the only thing to keep you alive these days and it's gettng harder and harder to keep your money... The real people who 'steal' are the government... The more money you have the more they take off you... But it's your own hard earnt cash... I just doesn't seem fair... So all the greed cannot be one person with the money it's the people who take it off you...
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:40 am


kyoshiro2
I love money... I want mmore than my fair share... Yes I admit I'm greedy but isn't everyone in there own little way... There has to be something you what alot of... Be it food... Jewelry... Time with some one... Money is the only thing to keep you alive these days and it's gettng harder and harder to keep your money... The real people who 'steal' are the government... The more money you have the more they take off you... But it's your own hard earnt cash... I just doesn't seem fair... So all the greed cannot be one person with the money it's the people who take it off you...


so, would life be easier if money wasn't involved, and direct trade was used instead??
for example, trading a chair for something worth just as much to you as the chair is to the person trading with you??
that way, the government wouldn't be able to take your well earned money.....
xX

funky_fudge_monkey


Calypsophia

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:48 pm


kyoshiro2
I love money... I want mmore than my fair share... Yes I admit I'm greedy but isn't everyone in there own little way... There has to be something you what alot of... Be it food... Jewelry... Time with some one... Money is the only thing to keep you alive these days and it's gettng harder and harder to keep your money... The real people who 'steal' are the government... The more money you have the more they take off you... But it's your own hard earnt cash... I just doesn't seem fair... So all the greed cannot be one person with the money it's the people who take it off you...


it's both. the more you have the more you want, and likewise the less you have then naturally more you want. but society makes it easy to want more than you need.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:03 pm


i suppose my opinion of money has changed slightly.
i don't totally disagree with the concept of money, i still perceive it as useful in certain ways, but i do see the negative side of it now.
Although, even if we do all agree that money is a bad thing, i suppose there isn't much we can do about it, all we can do is accept it.
but like most things, it has it's negatives and positives.
xX

funky_fudge_monkey


Calypsophia

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:01 pm


funky_fudge_monkey
i suppose my opinion of money has changed slightly.
i don't totally disagree with the concept of money, i still perceive it as useful in certain ways, but i do see the negative side of it now.
Although, even if we do all agree that money is a bad thing, i suppose there isn't much we can do about it, all we can do is accept it.
but like most things, it has it's negatives and positives.
xX


no hon, money isnt the bad thing here... greed is.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:09 pm


funky_fudge_monkey
kyoshiro2
I love money... I want mmore than my fair share... Yes I admit I'm greedy but isn't everyone in there own little way... There has to be something you what alot of... Be it food... Jewelry... Time with some one... Money is the only thing to keep you alive these days and it's gettng harder and harder to keep your money... The real people who 'steal' are the government... The more money you have the more they take off you... But it's your own hard earnt cash... I just doesn't seem fair... So all the greed cannot be one person with the money it's the people who take it off you...


so, would life be easier if money wasn't involved, and direct trade was used instead??
for example, trading a chair for something worth just as much to you as the chair is to the person trading with you??
that way, the government wouldn't be able to take your well earned money.....
xX


it would slow the economy down tremendously if we went back to direct trading goods for goods. before money appeared, people had to carry their goods from place to place... it was cumbersome. and if they didnt have enough of their own product to trade for something they needed they were stuck. nowadays, we have worldwide trade all over the globe from country to country. without money to make the ships that transports these items, who would make the ships? they're very costly, what would one have to trade for such a thing?

it would be one thing if people made their own products.. grew their own food, had their own farms, made their own clothes..made their own cloth, then they would have things to trade for. but for the most part, at least in the more advanced countries, these skills have been lost to all but a few. it would be moving backwards.

what people need to do is get a handle on their greed and desires.. stop desiring more than what is really necessary. this way, there would be more of a chance for charity and compassion for those who have so much less than they need.

Calypsophia


XstarXnoXstarX

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:02 pm


i like the idea of money, it keeps everyone in their place.
it seperates the first class people from the lower class people.
it's a good thing smile
PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:45 pm


Currency is a good idea because it allows for a common value. It's like trying to add 7/8 and 2/7 when there is no currency. However, it has become easier to lose or steal because it is compact. Money becomes dangerous when we forget that it is just a piece of paper.

"The best things in life are free."
~Sugarland

Guardian1239


kyoshiro2

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:54 am


funky_fudge_monkey
kyoshiro2
I love money... I want mmore than my fair share... Yes I admit I'm greedy but isn't everyone in there own little way... There has to be something you what alot of... Be it food... Jewelry... Time with some one... Money is the only thing to keep you alive these days and it's gettng harder and harder to keep your money... The real people who 'steal' are the government... The more money you have the more they take off you... But it's your own hard earnt cash... I just doesn't seem fair... So all the greed cannot be one person with the money it's the people who take it off you...


so, would life be easier if money wasn't involved, and direct trade was used instead??
for example, trading a chair for something worth just as much to you as the chair is to the person trading with you??
that way, the government wouldn't be able to take your well earned money.....
xX


In a way no... Because one person might not think a chair or whatever object you are trading is worth what you want to trade it for... Meaning money is an easier way of trading... But do you always get your moneys worth these days anyway?
Prices always go up on products... But does you wage/salary go up as much as it?
The direct trade would be good for this becuase an already made chair can't possibly go up in price becuase its still the same chair right...?
It's the same as products in a shop... Canned beans there still the same beans but maybe eventually the price will go up on them... But yur still getting the same amount and type of beans... So why should the price go up... It'll all go back to greed... Theres no stopping it now...
PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:30 am


XstarXnoXstarX
i like the idea of money, it keeps everyone in their place.
it seperates the first class people from the lower class people.
it's a good thing smile


it is what *creates* the classes. wealth serves to separate people and creates the classes we have. it's got everything to do with how much material gain the person has and it's got nothing to do with the quality of the person. your statement sounds to me as tho you feel someone born poor should stay poor because it's their 'place'. and I totally disagree.

a persons quality is not dictated by how much money they have. a person born into poverty can have a nobler heart, keener mind, and brighter spirit than someone born into wealth.

Calypsophia


Verderbnis

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:00 am


Calypsophia
XstarXnoXstarX
i like the idea of money, it keeps everyone in their place.
it seperates the first class people from the lower class people.
it's a good thing smile


it is what *creates* the classes. wealth serves to separate people and creates the classes we have. it's got everything to do with how much material gain the person has and it's got nothing to do with the quality of the person. your statement sounds to me as tho you feel someone born poor should stay poor because it's their 'place'. and I totally disagree.

a persons quality is not dictated by how much money they have. a person born into poverty can have a nobler heart, keener mind, and brighter spirit than someone born into wealth.
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Thank you that you already took that point, because I'd maybe have bashed that troll!

I think money has a wrong place globally seen. It makes people kill each other, people get greedy with it and such trolls feel better for having rich parents. To be honest I'd like to be rich enough to realise my own ideas, like living with my girlfriend. I think it's a question of origin how you value money, poor people often try to be careful with their money, while richt people just want to show it off with luxury items.

There is also a difference between having rich parents and working hard for it. It's not called "earning money" without a sense and rich kids often just work by "lending" money from their parents. If I could stay poor, but still live my life after my ideas, money wouldn't bother me, but unfortunately I have to. It's simply a virtual value you own, it's just a number on a piece of metal or paper.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:46 am


Hellraver
Calypsophia
XstarXnoXstarX
i like the idea of money, it keeps everyone in their place.
it seperates the first class people from the lower class people.
it's a good thing smile


it is what *creates* the classes. wealth serves to separate people and creates the classes we have. it's got everything to do with how much material gain the person has and it's got nothing to do with the quality of the person. your statement sounds to me as tho you feel someone born poor should stay poor because it's their 'place'. and I totally disagree.

a persons quality is not dictated by how much money they have. a person born into poverty can have a nobler heart, keener mind, and brighter spirit than someone born into wealth.
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Thank you that you already took that point, because I'd maybe have bashed that troll!

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Thank both of you for addressing the whole "monetary worth decides a person's value" issue.

As far as money is concerned, our society has made a necessary evil in my point of view. Money, in and of itself, is neither good nor bad really... It's the means to an end that provides a simple way to get things that we need and want. Like others have said so well in replies above me.

But it is the materialism and greed that drives our society that's bad. Many people can't, or don't want to, draw a line between what they want and what they really need. You need food, shelter, and clothing. I need money to pay my rent, to buy groceries, to keep my utilities on, and to buy clothes so I don't have to walk around naked (it's too cold for that right now). However I don't need money to eat out everyday (even though I want too) or to buy $800 purse now matter how pretty it might just because some celebrity had one - I wont die, or be a lesser person because of it.

Our society, through the media, bombards daily with images of things that we just "have to have" in order to live a rich, full life. Jewlery, expensive cars, expensive clothes... the list goes on and on. You don't need that stuff to happy, to be a worth while person. ANd it's that skewed idea of want and need that sets the value and worth of item. If you correct the problem of people believing that their worth has a human being is directly equal to their net worth you'll fix a lot of problems with society.

CosmicHedgehog


Calypsophia

PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:13 pm


people tend to think that more money or material objects will make them happy. for some reason, most people arent happy in the present moment. no matter what they already have, happiness is something that can only be obtained in the future by obtaining things they dont have yet. but the person who cant be satisfied with what they already DO have in the present moment will never be happy, because they'll *always* be looking for something more and they dont realize that no external object will fill the internal void. that kind of happiness is superficial and fades quickly. but people think otherwise, and this is what fuels greed. true happiness can only come from within.
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