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AntoniaMerEnfant

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:24 am


I wanted to post a really heavy article I read and open up a discussion. What scares me is how close this girl lived to me, and since we are all net users (cause, Gaia is, online), I felt this was really right up everyone's alley. Maybe you heard about it, if not, please read this article.

Newsarticle of a Beautiful Life Lost

I really struggled reading this because I could identify with the girl so much. I was often the "frumpy" girl when I was her age. Boys never paid attention to me and I really wanted to feel liked by a boy. When I was a teenager I actually had a couple net boyfriends because guys at school never noticed me. My heart really broke a little as I read this. I've heard about net predators--but to imagine adults, parents even, doing something as cruel as this made me angry.

I know I've teased about net safety before with the really cheesy radio commercials. But as a side note I do want us to toss up ideas on how we can make this guild a safe place and how we should handle it if we ever get a suspicious member (we've been very lucky so far).

Also, I want to find out people's opinions on things like My Space and Facebook.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:50 am


Yeah, I read about this a few days ago. Then I saw it on the TV news and I cried. I just feel so bad for that poor girl. I relate to her a lot and I just think the woman that did that is a monster.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:19 pm


i just felt my stomach turn when i read that article. some people tend to be completely heartless. i, myself, was picked on constantly in high school until i became the most feared person in school. random violence seemed to work for me, though i don't recommend it at all. but this article reaffirms my beliefs that myspace is evil.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:19 pm


I saw this on the news the other day (or was it today? I don't remember...eck) and I honestly can't believe that parents would drop to that level just to find out if a young girl is saying things about their child. I would have thought that it was common sense that words hurt. Maybe not phyically but diffantly emotionally.

My friends mean the world to me, and it wasn't untill I was out of highschool that I had friends I didn't even know about. I was (and still am to a small extent) chunky, shy, and rather low on the latter of popularity. Every one was nice to me to my face, but I wasn't so blind that I didn't know that people where saying crap about me behind my back. But one person actually defended me. I didn't even know this until my dad of all people asked me if I was made fun of in school. That was when he told me that the daughter of one of the bartenders at the bar he goes to, knew me and would back me up when I wasn't around to take care of myself.

Fourteen is too young to die for any reason and the fact that ADULTS would help out in any way makes me so f'ing mad it's crazy. Adults are suppose to be the people that kids turn to when things like this happen, not the cause of it.

And as for MySpace, yes I have one, and yes it is open to the public, but I don't add or allow anyone else to add me unless I know them personally (with the exception of a few bands that catch my interest). Mostly I use MySpace to keep up with my mother of all people, and a few friends that dont' live even remotely close to me. The girls parents, I believe, were doing the right thing, by watching everything that she did while on the site, except for maybe allowing her to approve the add for the boy she didn't know. But how where they to know that he was a fictional person? As far as I am awear MySpace doesn't have a way to check to see if a person is real or fake, nor to I think anyone would want to fill out that sort of information for such a check to even be possible.

I'll rant more later, I'm going out to have hot chocolate...

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:30 am


Reading that made me feel so sick and so sad. I actually don't know what to say. That is just so horribly upsetting. I may add more later when the shock has worn off a bit...
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:14 am


I agree. That is just heartbreaking. I cannot understand how any parent could do that.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:59 am


Wow...
It troubles me to think that they thought it would be okay to fool this poor girl they knew into thinking they were someone else. I understand wanting to know the opinion and thoughts the young girl had about their daughter but to make her befriend and fall for a boy and what seems knowingly is utterly wrong.
Myspace and Facebook have to real safeguards against creating false profiles. At one time in order to create an account with Facebook you had to have a college e-mail address. This at least creates an easier way of tracing who a person is. I don’t add anyone I don’t know or haven’t met on either of my accounts with Myspace or Facebook.
In high school I didn’t have much self esteem and for the most part was invisible to most people, I was okay with that. I ignored most of the negative crap thrown at me and dealt more with life at home. I guess being apathetic helped in that regard.
I currently live with a 14 year old who is addicted to Myspace. It only worries me even more about what kinds of things that done through such mediums.
I wonder what a friend of me thinks about this since it is his neighborhood and he also teaches in STL..somewhere.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:05 pm


That goes beyond every boundarie. Even though this kind of thing would be hard to track, it should be punishable. Doesn't it count as slander?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:20 pm


i should send the link to that article to my friend who's an attorney. there should be some kind of legal ramifications for that.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:18 pm


Man, that's terrible. I can't believe parents would do that...it's really sick.
I think, also, though that there is an overabundance of trolls on the internet. These people go out and pick on other people for fun. While most of us who are older can realize that they're just trolls trying to get under our skin, younger kids might not have the experience to know that. It's sad...and they're probably only doing it because they have such low self-esteem that picking on others makes them feel better about themselves. The key I think is that people need to remember that there are other human beings on the other computers that they're communicating with, and that these people have feelings just like them.


There is so little protection on the internet. Young kids also don't have the experience to know when to get out of a situation (block someone, change your screen name, get a new account, etc.) before it goes farther than you can control or when it's more detrimental than helpful. I wish that people wouldn't have to have a bad experience with the internet to make them realize this...

Crazy. I don't know if that makes any sense. I'm also glad I got rid of my myspace- there seems to be an unusual amount of drama there.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:19 pm


Oh, also, you guys might be interested in this site: http://www.cyberangels.org/
PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:13 pm


That's just awful. I don't see how anyone could do something like that. Especially to a kid. sad

This whole thing kind of reminds me something I saw on TV once. I was flipping through channels and caught something about this group on Myspace that only admits "pretty people" or some such madness. They had these people (17-18 years old or so) on their talking about how they only admit people into their little club and go out of their way to antagonize peopled they deemed ugly. This kid that acted as the group's headman was so damn smug about the whole thing too. Just sickening

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:13 am


It just dumbfounds me that people can honestly think that this sort of behavior is actually good. THey fail to realize that what they are doing is hurting another person who could take all of the meanness to heart. IT just makes me so mad to that people can actually do that one another. UGH!
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:02 am


Headhunter
That's just awful. I don't see how anyone could do something like that. Especially to a kid. sad

This whole thing kind of reminds me something I saw on TV once. I was flipping through channels and caught something about this group on Myspace that only admits "pretty people" or some such madness. They had these people (17-18 years old or so) on their talking about how they only admit people into their little club and go out of their way to antagonize peopled they deemed ugly. This kid that acted as the group's headman was so damn smug about the whole thing too. Just sickening


i should find this group and start flaming their superficial asses. xd

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AntoniaMerEnfant

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:40 pm


That was what blew my mind, ADULTS, doing it. On one hand I think My Space made it way too easy, but on the other I didn't think it was quite fair to blame an internet website for the cruelty in people. I think cruelty has always existed, that the internet is just another tool for people to use.

That "pretty people" club really annoys me. I don't know, I always imagined that those "hot" kids wound up with dead end jobs and unsatisfactory lives. I mean the surface stuff can only last so long. I also have a personal theory that being "ugly/fat" (whether real, or just teased for it) helps make you a better rounded person. When you're uber-beautiful you can skate by on your looks alone. But when you feel bad about your looks you tend to invest in other parts of yourself (Creativity, intelligence, kindness, sense of humor). And that's why so many geeks/nerds who were teased in high school wind up the big successes.

As for the Mother, I normally would be opposed to parents letting their kids use My Space, but I did think she was doing the right thing by monitoring it. I feel bad that she has such guilt. I mean the moment Megan was contacted by the "hot boy" I could see the Mom not wanting to rain on her daughter's parade. It sounds like it was a real self-esteem booster and the Mom was just trying to give things the benefit of the doubt. Besides, let's face it, even if the Mom wanted to, no parent has effectively pulled the plug on a teen-girl's romance. Fairy Tales and Folk Lore like the Little Mermaid and Romeo and Juliet remind us that teenage daughters will always find a loophole to be with that boy they are ga ga after. I figure at least that way the Mom felt like she could have some control, some input.

It breaks my heart. I agree with you Kekadu. I think that's what bothers me about the trolls on Gaia--so many of the users are really, really young kids! The worst, in my opinion, are the ones on Life Issues. To many times I have read "kill yourself" as a suggestion to depressed teens there, or "you're a slut" on the rape crisis threads. As a counseling student this is really, really appalling to me.
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