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Lecture: Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus

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MaisSkyss

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:19 pm


There's a lot of cross-dressing styled role play around; meaning guys acting as female characters, and girls acting as male characters. Occationally you also find yourself, as an author, writing a story involving the opposing sex as a main character; this is all fine and dandy, but there are a lot of cases where one will act as a male or female, but never change their speech or word choice.

Word choice is to authors what drawing style is to artists. And to those of us who read manga, everyone can tell the female aritsts from the male artists. Male artists typically draw girls with very large or semi-large chests; female artists draw extrodinarilly effeminent men (men who look like chicks). Of course the boys look at these female visions of men and laugh, and girls do the same to the guy's version of women.

Van Hellsing, for Example; I knew that one was drawn by a guy before I even knew the artist's name.

My point is, if you are going to take a male/female role, play the part; go into a the opposite gender's mindframe and use phrases they would use.

Women role-playing as men are extrodinarily guilty of this. If your character is a guy, then try to truely be a guy; word choice (diction) is what will help to create this illusion. There are phrases that women use, and there are phrases that men use; every word you choose has a certain shade to it, a connotation that can and will allude to gender.

If you saw a dress, how would you describe it? Gorgeous? Beautiful? Sparkly? Tell me, how many guys do you know will use the term "sparkly" around their other male friends; and I don't mean the anime/manga/drama club nerds we all hang around with. If you want to make an effeminate man with effeminate speech and effeminate tendancies, go right ahead. But people will be able to tell immediatly that you are a girl writing this, not a guy. And even the biggest male geeks, though female - ish, can still act like a guy.

Yes, this is a bit more directed twords female authors, I suppose.

A good way to start thinking in the male persona is what you say, what words you choose. This goes especially for describing things. I'm not saying you have to liken everything on earth to war or bloodshed, but it's not very often you hear a man telling how the shades of light purple and pastle blue mix for a very spring-time effect.

Here's a piece of writing by a fellow rp'er:

Hair:
A sort of brownish color with a hint of red hue. The tresses are longish and fall into his eyes, and down to the nape of his neck, almost reaching his shoulders.

Eyes:
A brownish-red color, the orbs are the exact same tone as his hair.

General Appearance:
Well.. he's not really too tall or too short. He's basically an average-sized male, and slender for seventeen. He looks a bit younger than he really is, resembling about fifteen.


Can you tell it was written by a girl? General words of description gave it a away; orbs, slender, tone. I may be a bit over exaggerating, but these were the words I questioned when I came across this. I'm not saying they can't be used; in proper timing they can. And I can't exactly tell you what will create a feasible character; all I'm trying to say is that one needs to stay in gener-character, and should gain a feel of these extremeties of male writing and female writing before trying to create and act as a character they cannot relate to or predict the actions of.

Maybe more later, my mind is a bit fuzzled right now...
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 6:22 am


I just about laughed when I read this! My sister draws manga, and I'm always teasing her about making her guys so girly looking. I haven't really spent enough time in rps to see what you're saying. I think what you have quoted would be alright, as it is introducing the character. It is okay if you can tell the sex of the author through narration. But you're right, when it bleeds into the character itself you have a problem.

Some people say that it can't be done, but more people now voice that it can. I agree that it can, but I think people underestimate how hard it is to do convincingly and don't take the effort to make sure they do it right.

Solutions? How about reading the book you sighted in the title of the lecture? One of the best ways of learning about the other sex is to read marriage counciling books. Because they are trying to help coulpes understand eachother and better work things out, these books can tell you a lot about how the opposite sex thinks. The only other thing I can think of is try to get inside of the heads of people you know. Also study books written about guys by guys if you're a girl and vice versa. That's all I can think of right now. Anyone else? Thoughts? Comments?

hapahaole
Crew


MaisSkyss

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 6:06 pm


One of the best ways to get into the mind of a man is definatly to read books by them! A big one is Ernest Hemingway- the guy never wrote a book with a female lead. There are many books with good male authors, but if you want a look behind enemy territory- he's the go-to.

Another place to base one's male characters are just the guys around school. Maybe not the ones you hang around, but we all know them. Stop and think, "What would what's-his-name do?"

And I never would have thought of the marrige counseling, but it is a great idea. Kudos.

And at the very least, if you cannot be gender correct, attempt to be gender neutral.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:37 pm


You know, this never really seemed to be a problem to me, but I think more like a guy than a girl.
for the record, the general appearance quote seems almost exactly like a guy would sum up another guy. the word slender would have different connotations for guys (gosh, what a skinny little runt) but I have heard guys (intelligent ones... you know, the type that write) describe other guys as slender.

I dunno, I agree with what you say, generally.. but I don't think the lines are quite as well drawn, as you show them. I mean, I know there have been professional authors that I was wrong when I guessed their gender, and I can't count the number of times that people have asked me which gender I am.

I guess I'm just saying - don't despair girls. I know guys who describe dresses in intricate detail (granted, slightly different details) and girls who write excellent fighting scenes. so, don't fret too much, just be careful what you write.

calviness


MaisSkyss

PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:45 pm


In reality, I guess I'm trying to discourage girls from constantly playing as giddy, giggly guys.

You're absolutely right, there are no definate lines; just shades of behavior and such.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:32 am


yeah I see this alot in fanfiction, or even in my own writing.. when I'm writing it, I have to conciously decide on the word usage..

Anneechin23


Trickster_Goddess

PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:34 am


I've seen this a lot too. In fact, I've probably been guilty of it in some of my earlier writing...maybe even in some of my current writing, though I try not to and for the most part I think I'm successful.

As for reading Hemingway... sweatdrop I really don't like Hemingway. I had to read A Farewell to Arms last year for school and I couldn't stand it. I don't like his writing style and I didn't like the main female character, Catherine. I don't know, maybe I just interpreted the whole thing wrong and have, in the time since I read it, expanded whatever problems I found to the point that I hate the book. It's definitely possible that it's not as bad as I remember it to be. But that doesn't change the fact that I don't like the book and I hope I never have to read another of his books.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:50 pm


Besides just discussing masculine and feminine language, I thought it might also be helpfull to discus other differences to be aware of in men and women. Here's one that might be usefull:

Men CANNOT multi-task. I learned this while volunteering cleaning a building. I started the day cleaning with some ladies in the women's locker room. They cleaned very quickly and talked the entire time. I learned all about their childern and a nephew and their childhood and their eating habits and health etc. Later I switched and started working with the guys cleaning windows. They went strait to work and didn't speak a word. Near the end I noticed they were talking, but they had stopped working to talk. After I had finished I walked over to where they were talking and joined them. The two guys on the cat walk just had to do one more window and we'd be done, but they couldn't talk and work at the same time! They tried, but as soon as they started listening to us their hands slowed to a stop.

Another thing that may illustrate this is the following: In Psycology class my teacher mentioned that if a guy meets a pretty girl, he often forgets her name because his focus is somewhere else. (So if your crush forgets your name, it could be a good sign! whee ) For me personally, if I like a guy I remember not just his name, but everything about him. This could just be because I can focus on more than one thing at a time? I dunno, just a thought.

hapahaole
Crew


SecretAgent_Clem

PostPosted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:28 pm


MaisSkyss
In reality, I guess I'm trying to discourage girls from constantly playing as giddy, giggly guys.

You're absolutely right, there are no definate lines; just shades of behavior and such.


Well honestly, I don't think that there's much a problem with playing a "giddy, giggly guy". I myself am a girl, but I have rp'd as men before and actually it's quite fun when people believe you're actually a guy. I dunno. I guess my point is that I think every person is different whether it be a guy or girl. I know many guys that can talk and act like us females wonderfully.

Although, I must say that writing from a guy's perspective is kinda difficult, though I still try.... smile
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