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 Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:03 pm
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:08 pm
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Garland-Green The Hoot Man Rednal Many people go into the Bible for information on the subject beginning with the belief that it's wrong and a determination to prove it, no matter how out-of-context they have to take things. Other people are "It's sexual, therefore sinful", which is just as silly because it provides no reasoning or evidence whatsoever. Interestingly, however, to the best of my knowledge, masturbation is not specifically included with the list of sexual sins in the bible. Adultery, bestiality, etc. One would think that, considering it's a common issue, this sort of thing would have been mentioned if it was thought to be a problem. The male body consistently produces semen, and it's thought that masturbation is a way of removing excess amounts of that stuff and allowing the body to continue functioning as normal. So do I think it's sinful? From my readings and sources, it is apparently not. Though, there is that little issue of masturbating to pornography (for example), when the idea of adultery comes up... so perhaps it's not just what you're doing, but how. With all of your hoorah and horse play of words and posturing, yet you cannot produce a simple answer of either Yes or No that masterbation is a sin or not. Coop There is no Yes or No answer to your question. It is dependent on the situation and motives. That is an honest, straightforward answer.
Ding,ding,ding... Ooopppps! Your wrong yet again.
Re-read your Bible. It will tell you more than what you think that you know.
Coop. wink |
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:16 pm
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The Hoot Man Shadowbane_Inquisitor Leviticus 15:16-18 “‘When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening." Read it in the KJV Bible-Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth, but you have to understand that the levites were the keepers of the laws and wrote most of them from the scribes not actually from the Word of God (not all of the laws anyway-because if they had then Jesus would of never told the scribes and the religious hertics of the New Testiment to hang all the laws and those who wrote them on this-To love thy God with all of your heart,mind, soul and body and to love one another as God has loved you.) So, you being the only other person who has presented any Biblical light on the subject win the cookie for the day, but....what you are saying to me is a lot of Old Testiment ridderick that doesnt say YES or No about MASTERBATION being a SIN or not. Because in the next couple of verses in Leviticus says that a woman having her monthly period is also unclean or as the Bible says it 'Her issue of blood.' For this being a "Christian Guild", Not a one of you has P/M'd me with a hello or an invite to become a friend. Not very Christian of you is it???? Oh well. I guess now you know why I said til you prove me otherwise. Have a great Friday and a wonderful weekend and a Happy St. Paddy's Day to you as well! Coop. smile wink
To decided what you believe based on how friendly you perceive believers in what you are contemplating believing in doesn't seem very safe. I am sure people who joined "Jim" Jones of the Peoples Temple thought he was a nice and friendly guy. You don't become a Christian by deciding that you like the religion based on the believers, but by an inner change. Being a Christian isn't just belonging to a religion. It is who you are now.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
Happy Saint Patrick's Day to you as well!
God bless you. |
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Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:07 pm
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:17 pm
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Garland-Green The Hoot Man Shadowbane_Inquisitor Leviticus 15:16-18 “‘When a man has an emission of semen, he must bathe his whole body with water, and he will be unclean till evening. Any clothing or leather that has semen on it must be washed with water, and it will be unclean till evening. When a man has sexual relations with a woman and there is an emission of semen, both of them must bathe with water, and they will be unclean till evening." Read it in the KJV Bible-Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth, but you have to understand that the levites were the keepers of the laws and wrote most of them from the scribes not actually from the Word of God (not all of the laws anyway-because if they had then Jesus would of never told the scribes and the religious hertics of the New Testiment to hang all the laws and those who wrote them on this-To love thy God with all of your heart,mind, soul and body and to love one another as God has loved you.) So, you being the only other person who has presented any Biblical light on the subject win the cookie for the day, but....what you are saying to me is a lot of Old Testiment ridderick that doesnt say YES or No about MASTERBATION being a SIN or not. Because in the next couple of verses in Leviticus says that a woman having her monthly period is also unclean or as the Bible says it 'Her issue of blood.' For this being a "Christian Guild", Not a one of you has P/M'd me with a hello or an invite to become a friend. Not very Christian of you is it???? Oh well. I guess now you know why I said til you prove me otherwise. Have a great Friday and a wonderful weekend and a Happy St. Paddy's Day to you as well! Coop. smile wink To decided what you believe based on how friendly you perceive believers in what you are contemplating believing in doesn't seem very safe. I am sure people who joined "Jim" Jones of the Peoples Temple thought he was a nice and friendly guy. You don't become a Christian by deciding that you like the religion based on the believers, but by an inner change. Being a Christian isn't just belonging to a religion. It is who you are now. 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. Happy Saint Patrick's Day to you as well! God bless you.
Lets talk scripture shall we as you and your friend who preceeded this comment wanted to do.
Lets try... say "CONFESS"
Luke 12:8
Matthew 10:32
Romans 10:9
Rev. 3:5
(all taken from the K.J.V. Bible.)
And yes Mr. Garland Green you are the winner of the day.
You cited and I quote, "Does it honor God?"
You see our bodies are suppose to be HOLY TEMPLES of the Lord!
So weither we get a tattoo or a body piercing or even 'Masterbate",
one has to ask ones self....Does it honor God with what I'm doing atm?
Another question would be "What would Jesus do?" I know it is a bit cliche and over used these days and often in the wrong context, but as Christians we are suppose to be 'Christ like.'
So thats what I cite.
That's the flavor of 'Kool-aid' I drink sir.
Your guild asks can we find 'Christians'?
One never knows what one might find in one's Easter basket do they????
Coop.
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:25 pm
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Rednal To quote myself from earlier, Mr. Hoot Man, because you may have missed it: Rednal From my readings and sources, it is apparently not. ...I don't think I can get much more straightforward than that. @Garland: I tend to think of it like this... the body is supposed to be a temple, right? Well, sometimes, you need to bring in new material (food) to fix any elements that may have been harmed through use and such. At the same time, sometimes you need to clean the place out and get rid of things. You might feel very good once the dirt is gone because the place isn't filled with junk anymore, and having the junk in there can cause distractions (hormones and basic biological urges). I think it's possible to simultaneously honor God and please the flesh, though one should certainly have concerns about doing the latter without the former...
No dude. You are way misinformed. Your thinking of what Salomon tried to do.
He had power, riches, wisdom and all things by the blessing of God.
But when he started to put God on the shelf so to speak and started trying to pleasure himself in corrupt ways of the flesh, he did so and dishonor God.
There is no way to have 2 gods.
You either believe in God, and be 'Christ-like'.
Or you serve the world and to heck in a hand basket.
At least thats what my King James version of The Holy Bible says in so many words.
Have a nice day smile !
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:45 pm
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It's been clearly shown by biblical passage that semen makes you unclean (Leviticus 15:16-18 ) so lets follow up with a bit more.
The Bible never explicitly mentions masturbation or states whether or not masturbation is a sin. The Scripture most frequently pointed to in regards to masturbation is the story of Onan in Genesis 38:9-10. Some interpret this passage as saying that “spilling your seed” on the ground is a sin. However, that is not precisely what the passage is saying. God condemned Onan not for “spilling his seed” but because Onan refused to fulfill his duty to provide an heir for his brother. The passage is not about masturbation, but rather about fulfilling a family duty. A second passage sometimes used as evidence for masturbation’s being a sin is Matthew 5:27-30. Jesus speaks against having lustful thoughts and then says, “If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.” While there are parallels between this passage and masturbation, it is unlikely that masturbation was what Jesus was alluding to.
While the Bible nowhere explicitly states that masturbation is a sin, there is no question as to whether the actions that lead to masturbation are sinful. Masturbation is nearly always the result of lustful thoughts, sexual stimulation, and/or pornographic images. It is these problems that need to be dealt with. If the sins of lust, immoral thoughts, and pornography are forsaken and overcome, masturbation will become a non-issue. Many people struggle with guilty feelings concerning masturbation, when in reality, the things that led to the act are far more worthy of repentance.
There are some biblical principles that can be applied to the issue of masturbation. Ephesians 5:3 declares, “Among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity.” It is hard to see how masturbating can pass that particular test. The Bible teaches us, “So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31). If you cannot give God glory for something, you should not do it. If a person is not fully convinced that an activity is pleasing to God, then it is a sin: “Everything that does not come from faith is sin” (Romans 14:23). Further, we need to remember that our bodies have been redeemed and belong to God. “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). This great truth should have a real bearing on what we do with our bodies. In light of these principles, the conclusion that masturbation is a sin is biblical. Clearly, masturbation is not glorifying to God; it does not avoid the appearance of immorality, nor does it pass the test of God’s having ownership over our bodies.
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Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:49 pm
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Actually, no, I know exactly what I said. *Blinks* I don't think it's impossible to simultaneously glorify God and be comfortable. For example, I sit in a chair at church, and this chair has a cushion on it. It's quite a comfortable chair, and I can still focus on God. If it were impossible to both please the flesh and worship God, then any comfort I derived from sitting in that chair would be bad.
In fact, the way you're talking about it, it's worse than that. We're supposed to honor God with everything we do... so if we can't simultaneously make ourselves happy, then logic and reason would compel us to avoid all forms of pleasure and happiness (of any kind) as much as possible. Eating a nice meal? Wrong! Sleeping in a comfortable bed? Wrong! Communion bread and wine/grape juice/whatever that's reasonably tasty and encourages people to be there to get it instead of avoiding unpleasant tastes? Wrong! Because how dare we try to be happy and enjoy our lives like decent human beings.
I don't know about you, but I'm not particularly interested in a faith that says I must constantly suffer because any attempt to be happy and enjoy myself is wrong... I'm of that terrible, heretical crowd that thinks God cares for us and would, generally speaking, prefer we joyously celebrate him and enjoy doing it rather than praising him and forcing unnecessary suffering upon ourselves at the same time. Like prayers from someone abusing their body are more worthwhile somehow... isn't there something in the Bible about taking care of one's body?
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Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:31 am
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Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:11 pm
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So... as I evidenced in the other thread, no, it's not.
The only way to possibly come to such a conclusion is via some very circular reasoning to redefine passages of scripture. Typically, people post so and so passage about honoring your body and denying the flesh, but they use that under the assumption that masturbation is wrong. The problem is the passages never say that. No passage alludes to masturbation being wrong.
What happens is someone predefines it, reads the passage, and then applies it. If you were looking objectively for it, you'd never find it. If you blindly accept some sort of tautology that masturbation is a sin because some passage says we should honor our bodies, and masturbation is sinful... you get lost without actual logical deduction.
To anyone, on the outside, looking in, the bible says nothing about it. Therefore, the only logical conclusion that can be made without preconcieved notions is that Masturbation is no more sinful than eating strawberries. The bible mentions neither, so obviously they were never important. While the ancient Hebrews, and even Rome-age Christians may have never known about strawberries, they certainly knew about masturbation.
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Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 6:36 pm
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False Dichotomy So... as I evidenced in the other thread, no, it's not. The only way to possibly come to such a conclusion is via some very circular reasoning to redefine passages of scripture. Typically, people post so and so passage about honoring your body and denying the flesh, but they use that under the assumption that masturbation is wrong. The problem is the passages never say that. No passage alludes to masturbation being wrong. What happens is someone predefines it, reads the passage, and then applies it. If you were looking objectively for it, you'd never find it. If you blindly accept some sort of tautology that masturbation is a sin because some passage says we should honor our bodies, and masturbation is sinful... you get lost without actual logical deduction. To anyone, on the outside, looking in, the bible says nothing about it. Therefore, the only logical conclusion that can be made without preconcieved notions is that Masturbation is no more sinful than eating strawberries. The bible mentions neither, so obviously they were never important. While the ancient Hebrews, and even Rome-age Christians may have never known about strawberries, they certainly knew about masturbation.
I need to ask you a question please...
Q-Why is that every thing that you utter is to do your best to twist and turn The Holy Bible, The Word of God, around to suit your own needs and agruments?
Q-Why are you even in this guild if all that you do is try to tear down everything that The Holy Bible says?
Q-Are you even a Christian? |
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