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kesuke uchiha False Dichotomy kesuke uchiha False Dichotomy kesuke uchiha False Dichotomy Nudity and lust are not inherently synonymous. While difficult, especially in a sexually repressed culture as our own, to look at the opposite sex nude without sexual thoughts, it is indeed possible, and to many degrees natural. In fact, utter fear of nudity is somewhat of a recent thing. Even the catholic church during it's "crazy days" of murdering anyone who so much as coughed without their permission, was hanging portraits of nude men and women about unabashedly, and harboring statues depicting very roman ideals of nudity and beauty. It's partially complicated because lust is not an absolute factor. You can look at a nude person of the opposite sex and not lust, just as you can look at a fully clothed on, and sin every bit as much as if you were at a strip club. It's more complicated than that. On another scope, while I do think that looking at what is obviously porn, and of a provocative/sexual manner is generally sinful, it's not because of an inherent decree or unavoidable statute. For examples, many married couples watch porn in order to get them in the mood, and is to some degree healthy for their sex life, which is not at all sinful in its intent. My point is it's a complex issue, and stating things in exact values is not going to help anyone understand it. I believe when a situation of looking at pornography is sinful, there's really no question about it because there isn't a way around the issue of lust. There are situations which are excluded solely for the purpose that they don't follow the methodology which makes it sinful. That's not a justification to look at it whenever and wherever, it's an objective view over the reality of the subject, and why it's more complex than always sinful, all the time, such an unswerving assumption is more harmful on a societal basis than it is beneficial, even if it appears under the guise of precaution. well said... I have always been taught that sex is a wonderful girft that God gives a man and woman who are bound by thousands of years of tradition and law...both mans law and Gods....aka marriage. to induldge in pornography even if it was between a man and his wife...is still wrong....you would still be taking in and sharing that experience therefore stealing Gods gift just as they would be defileing it.... so...I guess...if you really want to get down to it...maybe...just maybe...the only kind of porn you could have...is between you and your wife...that the both of you made...and ONLY you watch....even then...its probobly not a good idea....and the whole thing is questionable... what do you guys think? Your ellipses are hurting my eyes. Mind toning it down a little? huh? O_o?? Try... doing... this... less... what speak? if so that is kinda rude
It's not that what you said bears no weight, mostly that they way you punctuate is painful to to read. |
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:32 pm
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False Dichotomy kesuke uchiha False Dichotomy kesuke uchiha False Dichotomy Your ellipses are hurting my eyes. Mind toning it down a little? huh? O_o?? Try... doing... this... less... what speak? if so that is kinda rude It's kind of hard to take someone seriously when they type like that. Also, depending on temperament, it gets rather annoying fast. Moreso than people that still use L337SP34K nonsense. Use commas in place of ellipses in pretty much any situation. It's not that what you said bears no weight, mostly that they way you punctuate is painful to to read.
I could care less if someone was writing like a drunk 4 year old...the point gets across its good
you should focus on message and not wording....
its like going to a UN gathering to debate the next world war and insulting the oposing sides clothes....not as vital but just as petty
its off topic and negitive...
if you have nothing good to say then please dont say anything |
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:41 pm
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kesuke uchiha False Dichotomy kesuke uchiha False Dichotomy kesuke uchiha False Dichotomy Your ellipses are hurting my eyes. Mind toning it down a little? huh? O_o?? Try... doing... this... less... what speak? if so that is kinda rude It's kind of hard to take someone seriously when they type like that. Also, depending on temperament, it gets rather annoying fast. Moreso than people that still use L337SP34K nonsense. Use commas in place of ellipses in pretty much any situation. It's not that what you said bears no weight, mostly that they way you punctuate is painful to to read. I could care less if someone was writing like a drunk 4 year old...the point gets across its good you should focus on message and not wording.... its like going to a UN gathering to debate the next world war and insulting the oposing sides clothes....not as vital but just as petty its off topic and negitive... if you have nothing good to say then please dont say anything |
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:48 pm
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:03 am
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False Dichotomy Aquatic_blue False Dichotomy Aquatic_blue False Dichotomy Nudity and lust are not inherently synonymous. While difficult, especially in a sexually repressed culture as our own, to look at the opposite sex nude without sexual thoughts, it is indeed possible, and to many degrees natural. In fact, utter fear of nudity is somewhat of a recent thing. Even the catholic church during it's "crazy days" of murdering anyone who so much as coughed without their permission, was hanging portraits of nude men and women about unabashedly, and harboring statues depicting very roman ideals of nudity and beauty. It's partially complicated because lust is not an absolute factor. You can look at a nude person of the opposite sex and not lust, just as you can look at a fully clothed on, and sin every bit as much as if you were at a strip club. It's more complicated than that. On another scope, while I do think that looking at what is obviously porn, and of a provocative/sexual manner is generally sinful, it's not because of an inherent decree or unavoidable statute. For examples, many married couples watch porn in order to get them in the mood, and is to some degree healthy for their sex life, which is not at all sinful in its intent. My point is it's a complex issue, and stating things in exact values is not going to help anyone understand it. I believe when a situation of looking at pornography is sinful, there's really no question about it because there isn't a way around the issue of lust. There are situations which are excluded solely for the purpose that they don't follow the methodology which makes it sinful. That's not a justification to look at it whenever and wherever, it's an objective view over the reality of the subject, and why it's more complex than always sinful, all the time, such an unswerving assumption is more harmful on a societal basis than it is beneficial, even if it appears under the guise of precaution. I will have to kindly disagree that married couples should have right of way to watch porn. Porn is porn, no matter who watches it. When a married couple watches porn, one may be thinking/lusting after those on the television or computers screen rather than their own spouse. Married couples should be able to get each other in the mood on their own - finding each others likes and dislikes in the process. Looking at porn can be harmful to a marriage and destroy it. Pornography is dangerous to whoever views it - especially married couples. Pornography can cause a couple to have guilt, unrealistic expectations during sex, and addictive behaviors to it. Unrealistic expectations is difficult because one or both people in a marriage will expect things that aren't going to happen in the bedroom, which can lead to decreased satisfaction. Also, pornography - if viewed enough can lead to a desensitization to it or twisted mind set to make you think that sex and love don't go together. Some may also lead to believe that people can have a great time having sex with however many people they want to. Pornography shows people having sex all the time as if they don't have some sexual disease and that there are no consequences for having irresponsible sexual relations. Some people may even fail to see that rape is a crime and more of a "fun and exciting experience" because it's a spontaneous action. Some may even not respect the bodies of their spouse and handle each other with care because in pornography they smack each other around, tell each other what to do, try to dominate each other, and boss each other around. It's nice to remember important verses such as these: Psalm 119:9 NIV: How can a young person stay on the path of purity? By living according to your word. Matthew 5:28 NIV: But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 1 Corinthians 6:18 - 20 NIV: Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. Hebrews 13:4 NIV: Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. Galatians 5:19 - 21 NIV: The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. *God designed the marriage between a man and woman to be a sacred union. Sex is a gift from God, but is only beautiful if used properly meaning only after marriage and between that married couple. The book Song of Songs, which is also known as Song of Solomon, is a book on sex and the beauty God intended for it between a man and wife. It's definitely worth a read. You make a number of broad, sweeping assumptions which are not biblically enforced or alluded to. 1: The "porn is porn" argument doesn't fly here. Unless you prove that pornography, which did not exist in the days of biblical writing, is inherently sinful to look at in all situations, you don't have a claim to defend. You're saying it like it's a closed case issue, I'm saying it's not, and it's complicated. 2: You sound young, and unmarried. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are not and have never been married. Married couples will often have trouble with their sex lives. Christians especially. There's often a lot of sexual frustration between couples who have both been virgins up till marriage. A well known scenario exists when both people want sex, or one has a diminished sex drive, but they don't have it often. This eventually leads to feuding through bent up frustration, and has been known to break a marriage in more ways than one. When a couple watches it together with the full intent to inspire the mood, they aren't doing the same thing as someone who watches it alone. It's a joint effort to fix a problem they both have, and mend a real problem in their relationship. 3:You are doing something which I find incredibly annoying. In particular, you're quoting scripture that doesn't support your argument, and quoting several which have nothing to do with it. Psalm 119:9 has nothing to do with the conversation at hand. Matthew 5:28 is repeating a concept I've based my entire post on. 1 Corinthians 6:18 says "flee sexual immorality," but you've yet to prove that the situation I've stated even qualifies as sexual immorality Hebrews 13:4 has a vague attachment to the issue, but it falls in the problem of your previous quote which, once again, you've yet to prove your assumption. Galations 5:19 has even less to do with it. You almost come off as saying my stance is "sexual immorality is fine," which is not the case. 4: You make the slippery slope assumption. You say A implies B will also happen, in this case, looking at pornography will inspire one to seek out extramarital sex, but I say that's hogwash. If a married couple watches porn with eachother, It's a private thing between the two of them, and the intent to do so was to keep a private thing between the two of them. Having bad intent certainly could cause this issue, but that isn't the inherent problem. If a couple does so with full intent to improve their sex life, there is nothing wrong with it. Heck, many of them do it just to learn new moves to please their partner. Look, I understand where you're coming from with this, but I'm going to have to disagree because you're making far too many assumptions, and supporting none of them. If my point was not valid enough and I was not able to explain it all that well, I apologize. However, my viewpoint on porn remains unchanged. I believe that porn in general is a temptation that taunts everybody in this world. In my mind, it is a closed case issue and I don't see any necessary reason to be watching it in the first place. Also, as Christians, we do not want our actions to cause our brothers and sisters in Christ to fall. I see porn as something that is wrong in general. I don't appreciate that you automatically made an assumption about my life as you don't not know me personally. It happens to be that I am an adult and I am married. Every married couple probably has their sexual frustrations at some point. I don't believe that people who aren't virgins have any less sexual frustrations than those who remain virgins until marriage. Although, about sex, there's no use in arguing about it. Sex is a topic that couples should talk to each other about, and also include times they may feel sexually frustrated. Communication between a couple about these topics is incredibly important. There's no use feuding about it if a couple is able to discuss it in a civil manner with their partner and reach an understanding. I don't believe porn is right for anyone to be watching. People may just claim to be trying to get in the mood, but I believe that couples should be the ones to find each others likes and dislikes and turn each other on and concentrate on each other during a sexual bond. Some may use porn as a crutch for a problem or perhaps sexual dysfunction in their relationship, but this can be solved if one looks to Jesus Christ, prays about it, and look for other methods together as a couple. I don't believe porn should solve problems between couples because it lacks a form of communication that may be necessary to address a certain problem. Matthew 5:28 to me doesn't sound like anything you have been trying to address. Lust is a sin and can cause a problem for those watching porn. Instead of concentrating in getting in the mood - they may be lusting in their heart after people on the screen because perhaps they think to themselves, "Wow, I wish my partner looked like that." or, "Those people on the screen look incredibly attractive." Our spouses should be the source and outlet of attraction towards each other and nothing else should disrupt that communication. I apologize if I quote scripture that didn't exactly support what I was saying well enough. Sometimes scripture can be difficult to correlate to ideas because some people interpret the Bible differently than others. I apologize if I didn't explain why I posted those scriptures well enough for others to understand. I also wasn't trying to make what I said an "absolute" statement and saying that if you look at porn then this is how you will think. I apologize if it sounded like that. In a lot of marriages, I believe that porn does pose a threat to cause those types of issues. I am not trying to change your view point, but simply put mine out there that I don't agree. I know that I will never be able to change anyone's view point. Only a specific person can decide when change is needed and before that, they should pray, read the word, and make sure to determine if God wants that change in your life. Well, that was certainly a more civil response than I expected. Normally people lash out when I oppose them like that. Bravo indeed, we can speak on a mature level. Also, I'll apologize for my assumption of you. I've had far less civil conversations with people on subjects like these before, and typically they followed a pattern I thought was beginning to see here. Anyways, back to the subject. I do have a slightly more complex view that might help to paint a clearer picture. Many couples will come to the realization that neither individual is a perfect image of their imagination and desires. Complacency sets in, frustration arises, many couples catch this early and try to find ways solve the problem before it causes serious issues between them, and try to become closer. The thing is, porn is fantasy, and it isn't real sex to the viewers. It's not like they're going out and literally having sex with someone else. That isn't to say extramarital lust can't break a marriage, but when a couple agrees on terms, and has a unified intent, there isn't an issue. There isn't inherently a lust for the people on screen. There isn't inherently a desire to seek sex outside of marriage. There isn't an inherent desire to break marital vows or sin here. What applies in some situations doesn't apply here, at least not by default. Yes, it can cause problems, but so can many other things, notedly the issue I described above. As a person who has a lot of firsthand experience and a long running issue with lust, you start to see these things when struggling with the sin yourself. I don't see any difference between watching porn and eyeballing a girl from across the room. The problem is internal here, not external. What makes it sinful is the individual, not the experience. Every time I have a falling out, porn was never the origin of the problem, though it frequently punctuated my recognition of a problem. No, the problem isn't porn, the issue of lust exists regardless of porn, and a much more internal, and deep seeded vice is to blame. I, personally, say it's dangerous, and is wise to leave it untouched. I will not say, however, that others who have used it in a separate intent are guilty of the same sin. My own failings have revealed that much to me.
Well, resorting to anger isn't my first method. It is highly ineffective in a conversation because it leads to meaningless quarreling and doesn't get you anywhere.
I also still disagree that couples won't see each other as a perfect image. God created us in his image:
Genesis 1:27 NIV:
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
*Also, we are made perfect through Christ, not on our own:
2 Corinthians 12:9 NIV:
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.
*Relying on our humanly thoughts, feelings, and desires instead of God can lead us into sin:
2 Corinthians 12:5-10 NIV:
I will boast about a man like that, but I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses. Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say, or because of these surpassingly great revelations. Therefore, in order to keep me from becoming conceited, I was given a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
*However, God also provides a way out and allows us to be able to grow stronger in Him:
1 Corinthians 10:12-13 NIV:
So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.
*In my opinion, couples should talk together about issues on every level they feel they have in their relationship. I consider porn to be a distraction and an excuse not to confront their problems head on as God would want us to.
Porn is a big problem and yes, all sins are equal so there are other issues about other things. However, it does not make any sin correct. The only way our sins can be washed away is through our Lord Jesus Christ. When a person notices a struggle in their life, it is best to tell it to God and it's even okay to ask for help and guidance with the issue and make sure that you're also trying to make an effort into solving your struggles.
There is no difference between watching porn and eyeballing a girl across the room. In reference back to Mattew 5:28 in the NIV, which mentions, "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Lust is lust and there are just different outlets for those feelings, but it is all the same and all sin is equal to each other. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 10:18 am
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kesuke uchiha I could care less if someone was writing like a drunk 4 year old...the point gets across its good you should focus on message and not wording.... its like going to a UN gathering to debate the next world war and insulting the oposing sides clothes....not as vital but just as petty its off topic and negitive... if you have nothing good to say then please dont say anything
Actually, can we take your UN metaphor a little further? If someone went to a UN meeting in rags, no one would take them seriously. They'd be laughed at or ignored, and that would be seriously bad for the country who hired them as a representative. After that meeting, they'd probably be sent home and fired. It's the same way with writing. You might make some amazing arguments, but any grammar/spellings issues seriously detract from what you're saying. Your ...'s definitely aren't the worst thing you could be doing, but they are distracting; if you just used some periods and commas, that would solve the issue. I'm not by any means saying you have to, just that it would benefit you the most if you would.
Quote: Capitalization: The difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse." and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse." Punctuation: The difference between "Let's eat, Grandma!" and "Let's eat Grandma!"
Don't be a cannibalist. Use correct grammar. xd |
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:45 am
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xxEverBluexx kesuke uchiha I could care less if someone was writing like a drunk 4 year old...the point gets across its good you should focus on message and not wording.... its like going to a UN gathering to debate the next world war and insulting the oposing sides clothes....not as vital but just as petty its off topic and negitive... if you have nothing good to say then please dont say anything Actually, can we take your UN metaphor a little further? If someone went to a UN meeting in rags, no one would take them seriously. They'd be laughed at or ignored, and that would be seriously bad for the country who hired them as a representative. After that meeting, they'd probably be sent home and fired. It's the same way with writing. You might make some amazing arguments, but any grammar/spellings issues seriously detract from what you're saying. Your ...'s definitely aren't the worst thing you could be doing, but they are distracting; if you just used some periods and commas, that would solve the issue. I'm not by any means saying you have to, just that it would benefit you the most if you would. Quote: Capitalization: The difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse." and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse." Punctuation: The difference between "Let's eat, Grandma!" and "Let's eat Grandma!" Don't be a cannibalist. Use correct grammar. xd
Why is everyone taking people's grammar and the way they write so seriously on this thread? It's the internet and not everyone has a gift for writing. I can understand what he is saying so it's perfectly fine. Different people write differently. As long as they are understood, that is what matters. I see no use on lecturing people on the way they write on the internet. This sounds like you're trying to make people angry for your own satisfaction just as someone else on this forum did earlier. As Christian behavior, we should not judge others for the way they may write or try to bully others or shove facts in their face to try to bring about anger. So that is quite enough of that. |
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 6:29 am
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Aquatic_blue xxEverBluexx kesuke uchiha I could care less if someone was writing like a drunk 4 year old...the point gets across its good you should focus on message and not wording.... its like going to a UN gathering to debate the next world war and insulting the oposing sides clothes....not as vital but just as petty its off topic and negitive... if you have nothing good to say then please dont say anything Actually, can we take your UN metaphor a little further? If someone went to a UN meeting in rags, no one would take them seriously. They'd be laughed at or ignored, and that would be seriously bad for the country who hired them as a representative. After that meeting, they'd probably be sent home and fired. It's the same way with writing. You might make some amazing arguments, but any grammar/spellings issues seriously detract from what you're saying. Your ...'s definitely aren't the worst thing you could be doing, but they are distracting; if you just used some periods and commas, that would solve the issue. I'm not by any means saying you have to, just that it would benefit you the most if you would. Quote: Capitalization: The difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse." and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse." Punctuation: The difference between "Let's eat, Grandma!" and "Let's eat Grandma!" Don't be a cannibalist. Use correct grammar. xd Why is everyone taking people's grammar and the way they write so seriously on this thread? It's the internet and not everyone has a gift for writing. I can understand what he is saying so it's perfectly fine. Different people write differently. As long as they are understood, that is what matters. I see no use on lecturing people on the way they write on the internet. This sounds like you're trying to make people angry for your own satisfaction just as someone else on this forum did earlier. As Christian behavior, we should not judge others for the way they may write or try to bully others or shove facts in their face to try to bring about anger. So that is quite enough of that.
confused I wasn't trying to make anyone angry, I just thought False Dichotomy was right. There was no malicious intent, and I definitely wasn't trying to be a bully. Actually, I was trying to be positive and only to point out something I thought would be helpful to kesuke uchiha. People who use correct grammar do tend to be taken more seriously, and it's a lot more important to do so when you're debating something than when you're playing a game like Fortunately/Unfortunately. It's fine if you disagree, and I won't bring up spelling and grammar again in this thread, but please don't assume I'm being a bully or cruel; I almost never intentionally cause harm, so it's kinda insulting you would jump to that conclusion. |
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 3:59 pm
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xxEverBluexx Aquatic_blue xxEverBluexx kesuke uchiha I could care less if someone was writing like a drunk 4 year old...the point gets across its good you should focus on message and not wording.... its like going to a UN gathering to debate the next world war and insulting the oposing sides clothes....not as vital but just as petty its off topic and negitive... if you have nothing good to say then please dont say anything Actually, can we take your UN metaphor a little further? If someone went to a UN meeting in rags, no one would take them seriously. They'd be laughed at or ignored, and that would be seriously bad for the country who hired them as a representative. After that meeting, they'd probably be sent home and fired. It's the same way with writing. You might make some amazing arguments, but any grammar/spellings issues seriously detract from what you're saying. Your ...'s definitely aren't the worst thing you could be doing, but they are distracting; if you just used some periods and commas, that would solve the issue. I'm not by any means saying you have to, just that it would benefit you the most if you would. Quote: Capitalization: The difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse." and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse." Punctuation: The difference between "Let's eat, Grandma!" and "Let's eat Grandma!" Don't be a cannibalist. Use correct grammar. xd Why is everyone taking people's grammar and the way they write so seriously on this thread? It's the internet and not everyone has a gift for writing. I can understand what he is saying so it's perfectly fine. Different people write differently. As long as they are understood, that is what matters. I see no use on lecturing people on the way they write on the internet. This sounds like you're trying to make people angry for your own satisfaction just as someone else on this forum did earlier. As Christian behavior, we should not judge others for the way they may write or try to bully others or shove facts in their face to try to bring about anger. So that is quite enough of that. I wasn't trying to make anyone angry, I just thought False Dichotomy was right. There was no malicious intent, and I definitely wasn't trying to be a bully. Actually, I was trying to be positive and only to point out something I thought would be helpful to kesuke uchiha. People who use correct grammar do tend to be taken more seriously, and it's a lot more important to do so when you're debating something than when you're playing a game like Fortunately/Unfortunately. It's fine if you disagree, and I won't bring up spelling and grammar again in this thread, but please don't assume I'm being a bully or cruel; I almost never intentionally cause harm, so it's kinda insulting you would jump to that conclusion.
I apologize if I have offended you. I just know that if a couple people were lecturing me about the way I type I know I would be offended. |
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 7:11 pm
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Aquatic_blue xxEverBluexx Aquatic_blue xxEverBluexx kesuke uchiha I could care less if someone was writing like a drunk 4 year old...the point gets across its good you should focus on message and not wording.... its like going to a UN gathering to debate the next world war and insulting the oposing sides clothes....not as vital but just as petty its off topic and negitive... if you have nothing good to say then please dont say anything Actually, can we take your UN metaphor a little further? If someone went to a UN meeting in rags, no one would take them seriously. They'd be laughed at or ignored, and that would be seriously bad for the country who hired them as a representative. After that meeting, they'd probably be sent home and fired. It's the same way with writing. You might make some amazing arguments, but any grammar/spellings issues seriously detract from what you're saying. Your ...'s definitely aren't the worst thing you could be doing, but they are distracting; if you just used some periods and commas, that would solve the issue. I'm not by any means saying you have to, just that it would benefit you the most if you would. Quote: Capitalization: The difference between "I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse." and "I helped my uncle jack off a horse." Punctuation: The difference between "Let's eat, Grandma!" and "Let's eat Grandma!" Don't be a cannibalist. Use correct grammar. xd Why is everyone taking people's grammar and the way they write so seriously on this thread? It's the internet and not everyone has a gift for writing. I can understand what he is saying so it's perfectly fine. Different people write differently. As long as they are understood, that is what matters. I see no use on lecturing people on the way they write on the internet. This sounds like you're trying to make people angry for your own satisfaction just as someone else on this forum did earlier. As Christian behavior, we should not judge others for the way they may write or try to bully others or shove facts in their face to try to bring about anger. So that is quite enough of that. I wasn't trying to make anyone angry, I just thought False Dichotomy was right. There was no malicious intent, and I definitely wasn't trying to be a bully. Actually, I was trying to be positive and only to point out something I thought would be helpful to kesuke uchiha. People who use correct grammar do tend to be taken more seriously, and it's a lot more important to do so when you're debating something than when you're playing a game like Fortunately/Unfortunately. It's fine if you disagree, and I won't bring up spelling and grammar again in this thread, but please don't assume I'm being a bully or cruel; I almost never intentionally cause harm, so it's kinda insulting you would jump to that conclusion. I apologize if I have offended you. I just know that if a couple people were lecturing me about the way I type I know I would be offended. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:06 am
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These are a few posts to add to the discussion from an OLD thread that I'm about to delete.
Someoneiknow If you feel that pornography is ok or not a big deal, here are some stats: Quote: Size of the Industry $57.0 billion world-wide - $12.0 billion US -Adult Videos $20.0 billion -Escort Services $11.0 billion -Magazines $ 7.5 billion -Sex Clubs $ 5.0 billion -Phone Sex $ 4.5 billion -Cable & Pay Per View $ 2.5 billion -Internet $ 2.5 billion -CD-Rom $ 1.5 billion -Novelties $ 1.0 billion -Other $ 1.5 billion Porn revenue is larger than all combined revenues of all professional football, baseball and basketball franchises. US porn revenue exceeds the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC (6.2 billion) Child pornography generates $3 billion annually Internet Porn Statistics Pornographic websites 4.2 million (12% of total websites) Pornographic pages 372 million Daily pornographic search engine requests 68 million (25% of total search engine requests) Daily pornographic emails 2.5 billion (8% of total emails) Average daily pornographic emails/user 4.5 per Internet user Monthly Pornographic downloads (Peer-to-peer) 1.5 billion (35% of all downloads) Daily Gnutella “child pornography” requests 116 thousand Websites offering illegal child pornography 100 thousand Sexual solicitations of youth made in chat rooms 89% Youths who received sexual solicitation 20% Worldwide visitors to pornographic web sites 72 million annually Children's Exposure to Pornography Average age of first Internet exposure to pornography 11 years old Largest consumer of Internet pornography 12-17 age group 15-17 year olds having multiple hard-core exposures 80% 8-16 year olds having viewed porn online 90% (most while doing homework) 7-17 year olds who would freely give out home address 29% 7-17 year olds who would freely give out email address 14% Children's characters linked to thousands of porn links 26 (including Pokeman and Action Man) Adult Internet Porn Statistics Men admitting to accessing pornography at work 20% US adults who regularly visit Internet pornography websites 40 million Promise Keeper men who viewed pornography in last week 53% Christians who said pornography is a major problem in the home 47% Adults admitting to Internet sexual addiction 10% Breakdown of male/female visitors to pornography sites 72% male - 28% female Women and Pornography 13% of Women admit to accessing pornography at work. 70% of women keep their cyber activities secret. 17% of all women struggle with pornography addiction. Women, far more than men, are likely to act out their behaviors in real life, such as having multiple partners, casual sex, or affairs. Women favor chat rooms 2X more than men. 1 of 3 visitors to all adult web sites are women. 9.4 million women access adult web sites each month. Brigham Young University, recovered from reputable resources. Here is my scripture Quote: I remember reading about woodcutters laying their massive axes and power saws to the stately and once mighty elm trees that graced the countryside surrounding England’s Heathrow Airport. It was said some of the majestic monarchs were over 100 years old. One wondered how many persons had admired their beauty, how many picnics had been enjoyed in their welcome shade, how many generations of songbirds had filled the air with music while capering among the outstretched and luxuriant branches. Yet the patriarchal elms were dead. Their demise was not the result of old age, recurring drought, or the strong winds which occasionally lash the area. Their destroyer was much more harmless in appearance yet deadly in result. We know the culprit as the bark beetle, carrier of the fatal Dutch elm disease. This malady has destroyed vast elm forests throughout Europe and America. Its march of death continues. Many efforts at control have failed. Dutch elm disease usually begins with a wilting of the younger leaves in the upper part of the tree. Later the lower branches become infected. In about midsummer most of the leaves turn yellow, curl, and drop off. Life ebbs. Death approaches. A forest is consumed. The bark beetle has taken its terrible toll. How like the elm is man. From a minute seed and in accordance with a divine plan, we grow, are nurtured, and mature. The bright sunlight of heaven, the rich blessings of earth are ours. In our private forest of family and friends, life is richly rewarding and abundantly beautiful. Then suddenly, there appears before us in this generation a sinister and diabolical enemy—pornography. Like the bark beetle, it too is the carrier of a deadly disease. I shall name it “pernicious permissiveness.” At first we scarcely realize we have been infected. We laugh and make lighthearted comment concerning the off-color story or the clever cartoon. With evangelical zeal we protect the so-called rights of those who would contaminate with smut and destroy all that is precious and sacred. The beetle of pornography is doing his deadly task—undercutting our will, destroying our immunity, and stifling that upward reach within each of us. Can this actually be true? Surely this matter of pernicious permissiveness is not so serious. What are the facts? Let’s look! Let’s listen! Then let’s act! Pornography and Crime Pornography, the carrier, is big business. It is evil. It is contagious. It is addicting. It is estimated that in recent years Americans alone spent $8–10 billion per year on hard-core pornography1—a fortune siphoned away from noble use and diverted to a devilish purpose! Apathy toward pornography stems mostly from a widespread public attitude that it is a victimless crime and that police resources are better used in other areas. Many state and local ordinances are ineffective, sentences are light, and the huge financial rewards far outweigh the risks. One study points out that pornography may have a direct relationship to sex crimes. In the study, 87 percent of convicted molesters of girls and 77 percent of convicted molesters of boys admit to the use of pornography, most often in commission of their crimes.2 Some publishers and printers prostitute their presses by printing millions of pieces of pornography each day. No expense is spared. The finest of paper, the spectrum of full color combine to produce a product certain to be read, then read again. Nor are the movie or Web site producer, the television programmer, or the entertainer free from taint. Gone are the restraints of yesteryear. So-called realism is the quest. One leading box office star lamented: “The boundaries of permissiveness have been extended to the limit. The last film I did was filthy. I thought it was filthy when I read the script, and I still think it’s filthy; but the studio tried it out at a Friday night sneak preview and the audience screamed its approval.” Another star declared, “Movie makers, like publishers, are in the business to make money, and they make money by giving the public what it wants.” Some persons struggle to differentiate between what they term “soft-core” and “hard-core” pornography. Actually, one leads to another. How applicable is Alexander Pope’s classic “Essay on Man”: Vice is a monster of so frightful mien As to be hated needs but to be seen; Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace.3 The constant, consuming march of the pornography beetle blights neighborhoods just as it contaminates human lives. It has just about destroyed some areas. It moves relentlessly closer to your city, your neighborhood, and your family. Pornography is now more available than ever. At the click of a button, evil can be viewed in our homes on televisions and computer screens, in our hotels and movie theaters, or even in our places of employment, where access to the Internet is often provided. Warning An ominous warning was voiced by Laurence M. Gould, former president of Carleton College: “I do not believe the greatest threat to our future is from bombs or guided missiles. I don’t think our civilization will die that way. I think it will die when we no longer care. Arnold Toynbee has pointed out that 19 of 21 civilizations have died from within and not by conquest from without. There were no bands playing and flags waving when these civilizations decayed. It happened slowly, in the quiet and the dark when no one was aware.”4 I remember reading a review of a new movie. The leading actress told the reporter that she objected initially to the script and the part she was to play. The role portrayed her as the sexual companion of a 14-year-old boy. She commented: “At first I said, ‘No way will I agree to such a scene.’ Then I was given the assurance that the boy’s mother would be present during all intimate scenes, so I agreed.” I ask: Would a mother stand by watching were her son embraced by a cobra? Would she subject him to the taste of arsenic or strychnine? Mothers, would you? Fathers, would we? From the past of long ago we hear the echo so relevant today: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! “Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”5 Today we have a rebirth of ancient Sodom and Gomorrah. From seldom-read pages in dusty Bibles they come forth as real cities in a real world, depicting a real malady—pernicious permissiveness. Our Battle Plan We have the capacity and the responsibility to stand as a bulwark between all we hold dear and the fatal contamination of the pornography beetle. May I suggest three specific steps in our battle plan: First, a return to righteousness. An understanding of who we are and what God expects us to become will prompt us to pray—as individuals and as families. Such a return reveals the constant truth: “Wickedness never was happiness.”6 Let not the evil one dissuade. We can yet be guided by that still, small voice—unerring in its direction and all-powerful in its influence. Second, a quest for the good life. I speak not of the fun life, the sophisticated life, the popular life. Rather, I urge each to seek eternal life—life everlasting with mother, father, brothers, sisters, husband, wife, sons, and daughters, forever and forever together. Third, a pledge to wage and win the war against pernicious permissiveness. As we encounter that evil carrier, the pornography beetle, let our battle standard and that of our communities be taken from that famous ensign of early America, “Don’t tread on me.”7 Let us join in the fervent declaration of Joshua: “Choose you this day whom ye will serve; … but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”8 Let our hearts be pure. Let our lives be clean. Let our voices be heard. Let our actions be felt. Then the beetle of pornography will be halted in its deadly course. Pernicious permissiveness will have met its match. And we, with Joshua, will safely cross over Jordan into the promised land—even to eternal life in the celestial kingdom of our God. Thomas S. Monson, current prophet of the world The scary part is is that I believe I read somewhere that 47% of all Christians believe it's not a problem.
emorhconom esor 98% of all pornstars were sexually abused as children. 87% of all strippers were sexually abused as children. It's sad statics but they are true.
faithful quenga XxMiss_CuppiecakeXD I'm catholic and I'll freely admit to watching porn. I see no wrong it it, and I really don't see why god would be mad. Same with gay people, and masturbating, I think those were just added by silly people in order to control more. It's not me doing the bad, and I feel bad for those girls in the video, but it's a natural human urge. And btw, quite a bit of woman watch porn. it's definitely about 72% not 28%. That's inaccurate and old statistics. I am a sinner... "1 John 1:8"
Just in what I made bold of you statement is in a way exactly why it's wrong. Human urge, human nature, what ever you may call it is all sinful gratification. The nature of man is sin, you gratify yourself, you gratify your sinful being. You feel bad for those girls, would you like it if your daughter or son became a porn star? Would you be upset with them defiling their bodies for the sake of "entertainment" and money? It's the same as prostitution, are you okay with that? Just because a lot of people do it doesn't make it right. We are called to deny our "human urges" and live like Christ, which is that we are called to live a life of Purity. Masturbation in a sense is sex with yourself and therefore you are making you body impure. Sex is for a man and his wife, not for a boyfriend and girlfriend, or for the couple who is engaged. The act of the people having sex in the pornographic film are having sex out of wedlock 99% of the time. That in and of it self is wrong.
Do you feel close to Jesus when you watch pornography? Who are you serving when you masturbate to porn? Or who are you serving when watching it with a partner married or not? Certainly not God.
Those who watch porn and partake in masturbating tend to have expectations of the performance their partner. Many times the partner cannot fulfill those expectations. Leaving issues to surround the relationship and cause doubts of the other person and if you are truly meant to stay together. Would you want to be married to a person who was involved in creating pornography? Would you want to be married to a person involved in creating child pornography? If you say "child pornography is different", how is it different other then that fact that of age gaps? It's wrong because it illegal? In that case if all porn was outlawed would you continue to watch it? Or if masturbation was outlawed would you continue to do it or give it up because it's the law? Do you believe that sex before marriage is okay when the bible states that it is wrong?
to quote another member of this guild who posted in a different thread: Suiveur de Dieu your body is yours until you marry someone. Then your body is you spouses. Do you want them to receive a body that has been seen and dirtied by someone else? Do you want to receive that?
Also to add to that quote, your body not only belongs to you, but ultimately it belongs to God. And God did not create us to follow our carnal desires but It is all about being pure and blameless in the eyes of the Lord. Pornography and masturbation as well as many other things are impure because they go against God's teachings of such things.
... Saved by God's grace "Acts 15:11"
Someoneiknow XxMiss_CuppiecakeXD I'm catholic and I'll freely admit to watching porn. I see no wrong it it, and I really don't see why god would be mad. Same with gay people, and masturbating, I think those were just added by silly people in order to control more. It's not me doing the bad, and I feel bad for those girls in the video, but it's a natural human urge. And btw, quite a bit of woman watch porn. it's definitely about 72% not 28%. That's inaccurate and old statistics. First part, assuming that pornography isn't bad is like saying becoming an alcoholic is ok. God is all about our agency and our freedom, while Satan loves us to be put into bondage. Clinically, it has been found that neurologically a person's brain can become addicted to porn. It excites a certain chemical and our bodies become addicted to witnessing. Thus, the more we view, the more boring a regular sexual relationship, and then those individauls wish their spouse would be more like a porn star, sporadic, different, and willing, something that any relationship cannot be all the time. The second part, the 28% is actually very true, first considering women do not like to admit they enjoy porn. Second part, women would rather act out their fantasies with another man committing adultery, or bisexual acts. Women will watch it once, then act it out. Men would rather watch something over and over and over, and be able to tell themselves it's not wrong.
Green_Fuu Cappeh Sensai XxMiss_CuppiecakeXD I'm catholic and I'll freely admit to watching porn. I see no wrong it it, and I really don't see why god would be mad. Same with gay people, and masturbating, I think those were just added by silly people in order to control more. It's not me doing the bad, and I feel bad for those girls in the video, but it's a natural human urge. And btw, quite a bit of woman watch porn. it's definitely about 72% not 28%. That's inaccurate and old statistics. Maybe it's ok in your eyes but have you ever thought about what is ok in Gods eyes? Woah! god's eyes are like consuming fire!
That stuff wouldn't stand a chance.
On_Fire_4_CHRIST Someoneiknow lifelessdoll_13 Testicular Diabeetus  Another thing that bugs me... A lot of those so called "stars" grew up in religious homes. I wonder what made them fall. It makes me sad. =( abuse, drugs, lost sight in God? there are a number of reasons why someone would do such a thing. its really sad I don't think in that instance you "lose sight" in God, but you never saw God. To be able to take a beautiful thing like sex, between a loving man and woman, and turn it into an emotionless, redundant, grotesque thing, I can't believe that you had ever really felt the true love of Christ or knew what true love really meant. What someoneiknow said kind of reminded me of Titus 1:16 - "They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good."
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