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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 3:09 pm


Flamethrower


Flamethrowers are a type of weapon that are designed to, of course, throw flames. These weapons were originally designed for the days of Trench warfare, in which weapons designed to take out large groups of closely positioned units were being created and exploited, or essentially weapons of mass destruction, including various types of toxic gases, machine guns, artillery, high shrapnel munitions, sub-machine guns, and various devices meant to combat these weapons of mass protection, such as shrapnel proofed body armor, tanks, and gas masks.

Trench Warfare was essentially killed by the airplane, which allowed single units the ability to fly over entrenched enemy territories and drop explosives on them from above, a place most trenches were unprotected from, and weapons that could kill large groups of soldiers and destroy heavily entrenched areas.

The flamethrower, which was designed to shoot out large amount of "liquid fire" to essentially flood trenches, was basically removed as a primary weapon after WWI, due to it's ineffectiveness in all forms of combat other than trench warfare, as was the sub-machine gun (which fell from use as a main weapon after WWII).

The flame thrower was temporarily reintroduced as a main weapon during Vietnam, where it saw limited use and was rather ineffective, a phrase often stated that the "combat flamethrower operator had an average life span of 7 and a half minutes". A more favored weapon was the M79, which was much lighter, had a much longer range, was much more powerful, and allowed more ammunition to be carried, despite itself eventually being replaced by an under-barrel variant, making the M79 as a single shot, main weapon, obsolete.





If a flamethrower were to be reintroduced as a main weapon, or even a combat weapon for units, there would have to be several modifications made. Either the weapon would to have the following-

-300 Yard Range
-30 Seconds+ of Fuel
-Maximum weight of 60 pounds
-High degree of accuracy

or...

-75 Yard Range
-10 seconds+ of fuel
-Maximum weight of 12.5 lb
-Ability to Spread flame to a wide area



The flamethrower could either see use as a replacement for a shotgun or other CQB weapon, or for a grenade launcher. For the high degree of cost and engineering issues associated with a flamethrower (A flame suit being required, a person's entire combat pack needing to replaced, and carried by other units of the squad or from some sort of vehicle, heavy weight etc.), the flamethrower would have to be able to provide at least the minimum required objectives, or else it wouldn't provide for it's "cost" compared to other weapons.

If anyone has any ideas of how to make this possible, please feel free to post them.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:51 pm


What the heck, bro? I put out the idea of a new flamethrower a while ago and you said flamethrowers weren't a good idea.

Not cool, dude. Pryo-blocking is just mean.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 2:17 pm


I actually made this in mind, specifically, for you.


It's still, generally implausible to use a flamethrower.

I can't think of a single, reasonable reason to use one.

But I'm trying to.



Really, there are SO many things that are so much better.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:29 pm


Wut? Confused troll is confused. confused

Sure they aren't very efficient, but can you name a single thing (Nukes aside) that's more badass than a flamethrower?

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:18 pm


Uh... how about a plasma rifle?


Or one of those grenades that atomize people and like, disintegrate them or whatnot.

Or how about a GOOD M16?


That would be ******** amazing.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:46 pm


WWI Guy not amused.

I still think flamethrowers are the coolest thing ever (especially my version).

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:56 pm


Well, what's your version?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:42 am


Even if the weapon has 10 seconds of flame, has a 100 yard range, and is 60 pounds, it's still not going to be effective.

It needs at least 30 seconds of flame, have a 300+ yard range, for that 50-60 pounds to be worth it.


And even then, anything a flamethrower can do, an incendiary/thermobaric 40mm underslung grenade luancher that is around 3 pounds can do the same job, but at a farther range, and requires less protective material.

Actually, the 3GL is about 3-4 lb and it can shoot three. O_o



As of now, the only reason why I would even consider using a flamethrower is because the idea of the "Hellbringer" in Halo, in which a bunch of guys swarm an entrenched position to remove really hard to remove targets (lol).

That being said, with the rise of improved armor/exo-skeleton, the ability to carry around enormous weight may be in sight.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:57 am


Did I ever say it was efficient? I just like burning things. And yes many other things can do the same thing, but nothing is quite as awesome as shooting fire at stuff.

And what's this Hellbringer you speak of? I've read all the books (except Ghosts of Onyx) on Halo and played all the games. I haven't seen anything like this. confused

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:30 pm


I never knew those units by that name. And I also broke one of the rules about how to use them. sweatdrop
I found they were useful against flood, so I made a huge number of them and tried to destroy them all at once.
Huge disaster.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:23 pm


lol, yeah xd
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