How many of you are .....?

[Cradoc]

Creation or Evolution? or....the thing I despise theistic evolution  

[Curium]

Creationism isn't science..it's religion. So you can't say which scientific belief do you have. I believe in "theistic evolution"..and i'm sorry that you despise it. if you are going to despise something or support a theory, you have to back up what you say...you can't start a debate and not back up what you say.

I believe that there is a G-d and I believe Jesus was and is the Messiah. I believe that G-d created the world..whether or not it took Him 7 days...I have no idea. But there is plenty of evidence to prove evolution. The evolution of people for example...when scientists say we evolved from apes...they don't mean chimpanzees and gorillas. They mean things like Neanderthal and homo erectus and what is believed to be our first bipedal ancestor...she looks like an ape, but walks upright like a human. And there is also evolution with elephants...the wooly mammoths..mastadons..and so on. Sharks as well, they have gotten smaller...much smaller than megaladon. Crocadillians have evolved as well. From the very large one that lived in the times of dinosaurs(i forget it's name) to the ones that live now. Now...I don't know if birds are related to the T-rex...but they did appear here on Earth almost...out of the blue...they got here somehow.

Anyway, I guess my point is..you can't bash on other people's beliefs if you provide no evidence to back up your own beliefs.  

[murder13dolls]

Curium

Creationism isn't science..it's religion. So you can't say which scientific belief do you have. I believe in "theistic evolution"..and i'm sorry that you despise it. if you are going to despise something or support a theory, you have to back up what you say...you can't start a debate and not back up what you say.

I believe that there is a G-d and I believe Jesus was and is the Messiah. I believe that G-d created the world..whether or not it took Him 7 days...I have no idea. But there is plenty of evidence to prove evolution. The evolution of people for example...when scientists say we evolved from apes...they don't mean chimpanzees and gorillas. They mean things like Neanderthal and homo erectus and what is believed to be our first bipedal ancestor...she looks like an ape, but walks upright like a human. And there is also evolution with elephants...the wooly mammoths..mastadons..and so on. Sharks as well, they have gotten smaller...much smaller than megaladon. Crocadillians have evolved as well. From the very large one that lived in the times of dinosaurs(i forget it's name) to the ones that live now. Now...I don't know if birds are related to the T-rex...but they did appear here on Earth almost...out of the blue...they got here somehow.

Anyway, I guess my point is..you can't bash on other people's beliefs if you provide no evidence to back up your own beliefs.

yes i agree with you. i also says in the ibble that one day in the eyes of man is a thousand years in the eyes of god  

[Sir_Catherine]

Save the anti-evolution, pro-creationism, hate any compromise for the Creationist's Guild. This is an open forum/discussion. Polls are fine, but it's hardly welcoming to stir up divides such as you seem to wish to do by your 'or the thing that I despise' statement.  

[grani4fam1]

I am a Creationist. Some websites with real evidence do exist: www.drdino.com and www.answersingenesis.com.

P.S. Doesn't Cradoc have the right to express his opinion on an open dialogue even though he started the thread?  

[Bezant]

grani4fam1

I am a Creationist. Some websites with real evidence do exist: www.drdino.com and www.answersingenesis.com.

P.S. Doesn't Cradoc have the right to express his opinion on an open dialogue even though he started the thread?

In a free world, he does. In the oppressive Orwellian society that socialists want to force on us, only the politically approved sentiments are to be uttered.  

[divineseraph]

Funny you should mention socialism...

Socialism is actually the extreme of democracy. You may be thinking of Soviet Communism, which was actually totalitarianism and capitalism.

Evolution is a simple concept.

It is not saying that people are monkeys or that we all used to be frogs or anything stupid like that.

Say there is a turtle born with a harder shell- because of this harder shell, it survives where soft-shell turtles get eaten and die.

Because of this adaptation through random mutation, the turtle lives to pass on the hard-shell gene. Eventually, the population will be of harder shelled turtles because hard shells let turtles live longer and give them a better chance to reproduce.

Evolution is not an anti-God bible-killer. It is simply an observation as of how life changes from generation to generation.

To quote south park, it is the answer to the how, not the why.  

[Bezant]

divineseraph

Funny you should mention socialism...

Socialism is actually the extreme of democracy. You may be thinking of Soviet Communism, which was actually totalitarianism and capitalism.

Evolution is a simple concept.

It is not saying that people are monkeys or that we all used to be frogs or anything stupid like that.

Say there is a turtle born with a harder shell- because of this harder shell, it survives where soft-shell turtles get eaten and die.

Because of this adaptation through random mutation, the turtle lives to pass on the hard-shell gene. Eventually, the population will be of harder shelled turtles because hard shells let turtles live longer and give them a better chance to reproduce.

Evolution is not an anti-God bible-killer. It is simply an observation as of how life changes from generation to generation.

To quote south park, it is the answer to the how, not the why.

Adaptation, or micro-evolution: Small changes taking place within the species. Ex. getting darker skin under the sun, or whiter fur/feathers in the snow zones.
Nothing particularly anti-Biblical about that, and, may indeed show that the Creator equips his creatures with all the genes they need to live. Note that beneficial mutations are not needed here (not that they are the rule anyway).

Evolution or macro-evolution: A species evolving into an entirely different species, one which cannot crossbreed with the parent species. Example: An ancestor group of all quadraped mammals evolving into the canine, feline, ursine, etc. families.
Not much convincing evidence for this.  

[divineseraph]

Macro comes from micro.

Those small variations, over a long period of time, make something different from what it started as.

It's not like you have a dinosaur and then one day it lays a chimpanzee egg. Think very slow, simple, insignificant changes over a very long time. A horse species who's neck grows by maybe half a milimeter every 10,000 years. After a few million years, you go from horse to giraffe.  

[Bezant]

divineseraph

Macro comes from micro.

Those small variations, over a long period of time, make something different from what it started as.

It's not like you have a dinosaur and then one day it lays a chimpanzee egg. Think very slow, simple, insignificant changes over a very long time. A horse species who's neck grows by maybe half a milimeter every 10,000 years. After a few million years, you go from horse to giraffe.

No.
You don't.
You're not paying enough attention in biology class. Probably not your fault as they foist so much garbage on your brain. As a science tutor at a secular college, I know.
It's unbelievable how much crud they push.
I teach my students the facts as well as the theories. My students get straight As.

In order for species to split enough so that they can no longer interbreed,
they would have to have chromosomes drop out or otherwise be so different that they cannot combine.
There are occasional mutants that have extra chromosomes or too few chromosomes.
They are generally infertile.
For the agnostic, expecting genetic drift in a population of separated ancestral mammals to produce anything more spectacular than differences within the species, is tantamount to believing in Magic.

This is why no true scientist, who questions facts, can be content with Neo-Darwinism as it is taught today.

However, there are those who believe that God created the world in exactly this way, with the supernatural element causing many beneficial mutations and enough chromosome change so that each genus can have its own amount. *shrug* It seems like a compromise, especially when there is evidence clearly against evolution as it is now taught (example: genetic fitness in male deer yields poor fitness in their female offspring so beneficial genes are arrested in their spread. Ref: The Scientist, "Gender-specific fitness?", breaks in the fossil record, etc.  

[divineseraph]

Again, I am not saying that animals simply evolve one day out of the blue. After many millions of years, one thing becomes a different thing.

What the animal becomes would not be able to mate with what it was a few million years ago.

Just as humans and other primates cannot mate, and different species of fish cannot mate.  

[Silver Wingling]

grani4fam1

I am a Creationist. Some websites with real evidence do exist: www.drdino.com and www.answersingenesis.com.

P.S. Doesn't Cradoc have the right to express his opinion on an open dialogue even though he started the thread?

Yes!! Awnsers in Genisis id the best. I was actually at one of their confrences, it was awsome. We learned a lot, especially about the day-age theory. And Ken Ham is funny.  

[RoseRose]

I believe in Theistic Evolution.

And while Neo-Darwinism is at least somewhat defunct, the Punctuated Equilibrium theory is backed up by the fossil record of the sudden appearance of new species.

There is a G-d, and he created the world... but, evolution itself is too random. He guides it in its paths. He created the universe, and started life on its course here on earth, and has guided its growing.