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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:33 am


is it?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:26 am


I think it depends on what type of dancing. But for the most part, I don't think it's allowed. Not in front of men, at least.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:35 am


Good exercise..I imagine it is okay at home by yourself or with your husband or such.

I hope that is correct. smile
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:50 am


Stripping dance is an absolute no. XD

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 2:42 pm


dTranquility
Stripping dance is an absolute no. XD


rofl

Yes we know that xD


I think females dancing with females is okay, males....doing their male dancing with males is okay. ANd of course, married couples dancing is okay.

As long as it adheres to gender separation.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:21 pm


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Stripping dance is an absolute no. XD


rofl

Yes we know that xD


I think females dancing with females is okay, males....doing their male dancing with males is okay. ANd of course, married couples dancing is okay.

As long as it adheres to gender separation.


That reminds me. I've heard of alternative proms that had guys dancing on oneside and girls on the other with a rope divider. I believe those are acceptable.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:36 pm


._____. is this for serious?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:25 am


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._____. is this for serious?

Yeah, I'm very serious.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:21 pm


_rainarai_
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._____. is this for serious?

Yeah, I'm very serious.

not a single culture in my memory before now has ever been that strict about dancing. the whole idea of dancing to me is related to absolute freedom.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:46 pm


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_rainarai_
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._____. is this for serious?

Yeah, I'm very serious.

not a single culture in my memory before now has ever been that strict about dancing. the whole idea of dancing to me is related to absolute freedom.

Yeah, that's true

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:45 pm


>> My understanding is that dancing is only haram if you are dancing provocatively or in front of the opposite sex.
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:45 pm


dTranquility
Stripping dance is an absolute no. XD


It's absolutely fine in front of your husband/wife wink these kind of things are even encouraged in Islam.

And yeah, women among women, and men among men (do men dance among themselves? I don't know this) that's all fine.

I don't know how these arab women do the hip thing ;-; I want to know how to do that. They made me dance at my wedding ._. in front of all the women who do know how to do it.

For the record, I love dancing! I've been a ballroom dancer for 6,5 years or so, and did Latin American/Salsa dancing as well. I don't do that anymore, but I do when I'm at home. It makes cleaning much more fun with a good merengue in the background ^___^

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not a single culture in my memory before now has ever been that strict about dancing. the whole idea of dancing to me is related to absolute freedom.


Islam is not strict about dancing per se, as any kind of dancing is fine in the right context. Islam is "strict" regarding segregation/separation (the degree of this depends on who you ask)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:14 pm


meh... i guess that is the concept that remains so wierd to me, despite my upbringing! xd
PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:50 am


Fatwa:

I have found a similar question in islam-qa.com:

Question :


What kind of music is permissible for woman to dance to (at marriages where no men are present)? Is it only Islamic music? With only a drum beat? What are permissible music topics?.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

With regard to music, the ruling is as we have explained in question no. 5011, where we stated that it is haraam to play musical instruments. Here we will explain some of the things that are permitted to women only.

Secondly:

It is permissible for women to beat the daff and to sing permissible songs on permissible occasions such as Eid, celebrations and the like.


Shaykh al-Albaani (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

It is permissible for him the bridegroom to allow women to announce the marriage by beating the daff only, and by singing permissible songs in which there is no description of beauty or mention of immoral phrases then he mentioned the evidence for that.

Adaab al-Zafaaf, p. 93.

The evidence that the Shaykh mentioned is:

It was narrated that al-Rubayyi bint Muawwidh said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered upon me on the day of my wedding and sat on my mattress as you are sitting now, and young girls were beating the daff and singing about their fathers who had been killed at the battle of Badr, until a girl said, And among us is a Prophet who knows what will happen tomorrow. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Do not say this, but say the other things that you were saying.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3700.

It was narrated from Aaishah that she took a woman on her wedding night to a man from among the Ansaar, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her, O Aaishah, was there any entertainment (in the gathering)? For the Ansaar love entertainment.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4765.

It was narrated that Abu Ishaaq said: I heard Aamir ibn Sad al-Bajali say: I saw Thaabit ibn Wadeeah and Qarazah ibn Kab al-Ansaari at a wedding, and there was singing. I spoke to them about that and they said that a concession had been granted allowing singing at weddings and weeping for the dead, so long as there was no wailing.

Narrated by al-Bayhaqi, 14469.

It was narrated that Muhammad ibn Haatib al-Jamahi said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: The thing that differentiates between haraam and halaal is the beating of the daff and voices. Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 1008; al-Nasaai, 3316; Ibn Maajah, 1886. Classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Adaab al-Zafaaf, p. 96.

This is what it is permitted for women to do of singing at weddings. The only musical instrument that is permissible for them is the daff, and not others such as the tabl. The difference between them is that the tabl is covered on both sides whereas the daff is open on one side and covered on the other.

The Standing Committee said:

With regard to the tabl and other kinds of musical instruments, it is not permissible to use them with these anasheed, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his companions (may Allaah be pleased with them) did not do that.

Fataawa, no. 3259, dated 13/10/1400 AH.

Shaykh Abd al-Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

With regard to the tabl, it is not permissible to beat it in weddings, rather the daff only should be used.

Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/185.

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen said:

The drum that is covered on both sides is called the tabl, and it is not permissible, because it is a kind of musical instrument and all kinds of musical instruments are haraam, except that for which there is evidence that it is halaal, which is the daff at weddings.

Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/186.

Thirdly:

With regard to dancing, it is not permissible in front of men, non-mahrams, mahrams or women, because of the fitnah that may be caused by the movements of the body. It is well known that women may feel desire for one another, and even if that is not the case, there is no guarantee that one of them will not go back to her menfolk and describe to them what she has seen of the beauty of the dancer and her movement, so this may affect the men and may cause a great deal of mischief. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade such things.

It was narrated that Abd-Allaah ibn Masood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: No woman should look at another woman then describe her to her husband so that it is as if he can see her. Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4839.

In the early days the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) allowed effeminate men to enter upon woman, but when he saw one of them describing women and disclosing their secrets, he forbade them from doing that.

It was narrated from Umm Salamah (may Allaah be pleased with her): The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) entered upon me and there was an effeminate man with me. I heard him say to Abd-Allaah ibn Abi Umayyah, O Abd-Allaah, if Allaah should enable you to conquer al-Taaif tomorrow you should look for the daughter of Ghaylaan then he described her. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: These people should not enter upon you. Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3980; Muslim, 4048.

The alluring movements of a woman are part of her awrah, and it is not permissible for her to show them to anyone but her husband.

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Dancing is makrooh in principle, but if it is done in the western manner or in imitation of the kaafir women, then it becomes haraam, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: Whoever imitates a people is one of them. Moreover it sometimes leads to fitnah, because the dancer may be a young, beautiful woman, so the other women are tempted. Even if she is among other women, the other women may do things that indicate that they are temped by her. And whatever is a cause of fitnah is not allowed.

Liqa al-Baab al-Maftooh, q. 1085.

And he said:

With regard to dancing on the part of women, it is an evil action and we cannot say that it is permissible, because we have heard of incidents that have occurred among women because of it. If it is done by men that is even worse, because that is men imitating women, and the evil involved is well known. If dancing is done among a mixed group of men and women, as some of the foolish do, that is even worse because of the mixing and great fitnah involved, especially when that is done at a wedding party.

Fataawa Islamiyyah, 3/187.

Fourthly:

With regard to permissible words in songs, they are those that do not contain any haraam descriptions, or provoke desire, or words that are forbidden in shareeah, or some innovated adhkaar, and other haraam things.

There are sufficient permissible things that may be sung about, such as encouraging good morals, the pursuit of knowledge, giving up haraam things, and so on.

The Standing Committee said:

You are correct in your ruling that songs of the modern type are haraam, because they include immoral words and things that are no good, and they include idle leisure and provocation of sexual desire, and promiscuity, and the voice has a quality that inspires evil thoughts in the mind of the listener. May Allaah help us and you to do that which pleases Him.

It is permissible for you to replace these songs with Islamic nasheeds which contain rulings, exhortation and teaching, which will increase peoples keenness and pride in their religion, and promote Islamic feelings and put people off evil and what leads to it.

Fatwa no. 3295, dated 13/10/1400 AH

And Allaah knows best.


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