The Tri-religion unification

[RoseRose]

divineseraph

And so do Jews. Do they burn as well?

Actually, to Jews, Jesus isn't even a prophet, he is just a man, a teacher, but not a prophet.  

[Bezant]

RoseRose

divineseraph

And so do Jews. Do they burn as well?

Actually, to Jews, Jesus isn't even a prophet, he is just a man, a teacher, but not a prophet.

The early church was 100% Jewish at first, and even today, many Jews believe Jesus was the son of God without relinquishing any part of their Jewish heritage or customs. Just pointing out that Jews != every Jew.

Rose, what are your honest thoughts about the OP's idea about all three "Abrahamic" religions being basically the same thing?  

[RoseRose]

Cherry Sodah

RoseRose

divineseraph

And so do Jews. Do they burn as well?

Actually, to Jews, Jesus isn't even a prophet, he is just a man, a teacher, but not a prophet.

The early church was 100% Jewish at first, and even today, many Jews believe Jesus was the son of God without relinquishing any part of their Jewish heritage or customs. Just pointing out that Jews != every Jew.

Rose, what are your honest thoughts about the OP's idea about all three "Abrahamic" religions being basically the same thing?

Mainstream Judaism (especially Conservative [my branch] and Orthodox) see those Jews as heretics at best, converts to Christianity of some form at worst. By "Jews", I was referring to the common authorities on Judaism that prophecy had ceased by the 1st century BC. According to this website I found (a Christian one, the first of a Google search) Prophets the last one was in about the 5th century. That's where I'm coming from.

As for the assertion... all of them are RELATED, certainly... but not the same thing, and far too different to be joinable... all of them. Judaism and Christianity can't be joined without loosing something fundamental, same with Islam. They all can learn to understand each other better... and I don't believe in converting others, either, unless they come and seek it. Judaism, at least modern Judaism, discourages converts.  

[Silver Wingling]

RoseRose

Judaism, at least modern Judaism, discourages converts.

No kidding. rolleyes  

[RoseRose]

Talmar_Star_Blood

RoseRose

Judaism, at least modern Judaism, discourages converts.

No kidding. rolleyes

There ARE reasons. Being Jewish is tough... Judaism isn't about saving people... it's about being "a light unto the nations". That's a hard job... it's hard to convert, because the rabbis want to make sure you're dedicated to it. It's not easy to be Jewish, especially in an area with few Jews.  

[famusamu]

RoseRose

Talmar_Star_Blood

RoseRose

Judaism, at least modern Judaism, discourages converts.

No kidding. rolleyes

There ARE reasons. Being Jewish is tough... Judaism isn't about saving people... it's about being "a light unto the nations". That's a hard job... it's hard to convert, because the rabbis want to make sure you're dedicated to it. It's not easy to be Jewish, especially in an area with few Jews.

Its harder being Messianic Jewish, you get blasted from both Gentiles because your Jewish and from Jews because your Christian. sweatdrop  

[Bezant]

RoseRose

Talmar_Star_Blood

RoseRose

Judaism, at least modern Judaism, discourages converts.

No kidding. rolleyes

There ARE reasons. Being Jewish is tough... Judaism isn't about saving people... it's about being "a light unto the nations". That's a hard job... it's hard to convert, because the rabbis want to make sure you're dedicated to it. It's not easy to be Jewish, especially in an area with few Jews.

Franz Rosenzweig's Star of Redemption says something like that - that the Jewish people are near the light, but with their back to it, facing the rest of the world. They are not permitted to see the light themselves, because of their position. But when the world looks at the Jews, they see the light as well.

Very interesting...very strange.  

[RoseRose]

famusamu

RoseRose

Talmar_Star_Blood

RoseRose

Judaism, at least modern Judaism, discourages converts.

No kidding. rolleyes

There ARE reasons. Being Jewish is tough... Judaism isn't about saving people... it's about being "a light unto the nations". That's a hard job... it's hard to convert, because the rabbis want to make sure you're dedicated to it. It's not easy to be Jewish, especially in an area with few Jews.

Its harder being Messianic Jewish, you get blasted from both Gentiles because your Jewish and from Jews because your Christian. sweatdrop

Well, some of your fellow Messianics have hurt your case by being obnoxious about trying to convert Jews to being J4J (Jews for Jesus is notably the most obnoxious Messianic group... I don't think they're true Messianics, from what I've read... they're the arm of the Southern Baptists for converting Jews). Part of the problem is that J4J has pissed off a lot of people, and they don't realize all Messianics aren't like that. Me? I may not consider you truly Jewish, but as long as you don't try to convert me, I'm fine with you.  

[Silver Wingling]

RoseRose

famusamu

RoseRose

Talmar_Star_Blood

RoseRose

Judaism, at least modern Judaism, discourages converts.

No kidding. rolleyes

There ARE reasons. Being Jewish is tough... Judaism isn't about saving people... it's about being "a light unto the nations". That's a hard job... it's hard to convert, because the rabbis want to make sure you're dedicated to it. It's not easy to be Jewish, especially in an area with few Jews.

Its harder being Messianic Jewish, you get blasted from both Gentiles because your Jewish and from Jews because your Christian. sweatdrop

Well, some of your fellow Messianics have hurt your case by being obnoxious about trying to convert Jews to being J4J (Jews for Jesus is notably the most obnoxious Messianic group... I don't think they're true Messianics, from what I've read... they're the arm of the Southern Baptists for converting Jews). Part of the problem is that J4J has pissed off a lot of people, and they don't realize all Messianics aren't like that. Me? I may not consider you truly Jewish, but as long as you don't try to convert me, I'm fine with you.

Yeah... in my opinion J4J are just not the same thing as Messianics...  

[RoseRose]

Talmar_Star_Blood

RoseRose

famusamu

RoseRose

Talmar_Star_Blood

RoseRose

Judaism, at least modern Judaism, discourages converts.

No kidding. rolleyes

There ARE reasons. Being Jewish is tough... Judaism isn't about saving people... it's about being "a light unto the nations". That's a hard job... it's hard to convert, because the rabbis want to make sure you're dedicated to it. It's not easy to be Jewish, especially in an area with few Jews.

Its harder being Messianic Jewish, you get blasted from both Gentiles because your Jewish and from Jews because your Christian. sweatdrop

Well, some of your fellow Messianics have hurt your case by being obnoxious about trying to convert Jews to being J4J (Jews for Jesus is notably the most obnoxious Messianic group... I don't think they're true Messianics, from what I've read... they're the arm of the Southern Baptists for converting Jews). Part of the problem is that J4J has pissed off a lot of people, and they don't realize all Messianics aren't like that. Me? I may not consider you truly Jewish, but as long as you don't try to convert me, I'm fine with you.

Yeah... in my opinion J4J are just not the same thing as Messianics...

Thing is, on the surface they do look the same... and they're the most visible Jews who believe in Jesus. And they are very, very obnoxious.  

[famusamu]

RoseRose

Talmar_Star_Blood

RoseRose

famusamu

RoseRose

There ARE reasons. Being Jewish is tough... Judaism isn't about saving people... it's about being "a light unto the nations". That's a hard job... it's hard to convert, because the rabbis want to make sure you're dedicated to it. It's not easy to be Jewish, especially in an area with few Jews.

Its harder being Messianic Jewish, you get blasted from both Gentiles because your Jewish and from Jews because your Christian. sweatdrop

Well, some of your fellow Messianics have hurt your case by being obnoxious about trying to convert Jews to being J4J (Jews for Jesus is notably the most obnoxious Messianic group... I don't think they're true Messianics, from what I've read... they're the arm of the Southern Baptists for converting Jews). Part of the problem is that J4J has pissed off a lot of people, and they don't realize all Messianics aren't like that. Me? I may not consider you truly Jewish, but as long as you don't try to convert me, I'm fine with you.

Yeah... in my opinion J4J are just not the same thing as Messianics...

Thing is, on the surface they do look the same... and they're the most visible Jews who believe in Jesus. And they are very, very obnoxious.

J4J's are a protestant christian organization, they don't keep Shabbat nor do they stick to the Torah. But saying all Messianics are like J4J's would be like saying all Orthodox Jews believe Rabbi Schneerson was the Mashiach.  

[RoseRose]

famusamu

RoseRose

Talmar_Star_Blood

RoseRose

famusamu

RoseRose

There ARE reasons. Being Jewish is tough... Judaism isn't about saving people... it's about being "a light unto the nations". That's a hard job... it's hard to convert, because the rabbis want to make sure you're dedicated to it. It's not easy to be Jewish, especially in an area with few Jews.

Its harder being Messianic Jewish, you get blasted from both Gentiles because your Jewish and from Jews because your Christian. sweatdrop

Well, some of your fellow Messianics have hurt your case by being obnoxious about trying to convert Jews to being J4J (Jews for Jesus is notably the most obnoxious Messianic group... I don't think they're true Messianics, from what I've read... they're the arm of the Southern Baptists for converting Jews). Part of the problem is that J4J has pissed off a lot of people, and they don't realize all Messianics aren't like that. Me? I may not consider you truly Jewish, but as long as you don't try to convert me, I'm fine with you.

Yeah... in my opinion J4J are just not the same thing as Messianics...

Thing is, on the surface they do look the same... and they're the most visible Jews who believe in Jesus. And they are very, very obnoxious.

J4J's are a protestant christian organization, they don't keep Shabbat nor do they stick to the Torah. But saying all Messianics are like J4J's would be like saying all Orthodox Jews believe Rabbi Schneerson was the Mashiach.

It's like how Anne Coulter makes Republicans look bad, or how the extreme anti-man feminists make feminists look bad. They're not representative of the group, but they ARE the most visible, sometimes the only ones that are visible.