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Abyssal Rain

PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:22 pm


I just wanted to share this article with all of you, that I found on: "Gothic Angst Webzine". It hurt me to read this, but I am joining in effort with several groups in my area to help stop this kind of thing from happening again.
And please everyone, be careful. Believe it or not I care about all of you, even though I am new to the guild.
~Rain~


Goths and Violent Crime
Posted by chrisIn News, Columns
8Sep 07

As many people in the Southern California region are aware, there has been a problem with violent crime against the Gothic community. None of us are certain precisely why this is, but we can guess; bad press, bad public image and misinformation undoubtedly top the list. The most notable California violence was the attack on 4 San Diego Goths. Outside of the United States, two young Goths were attacked in the United Kingdom and one lost her life while the other, at the time of this writing, is still comatose. Alongside these two attacks there have been many other attacks large and small across the globe. The first thing that should be stated is that this is clearly hate motivated. There is no rationale that can be used to defend these mindless acts. In San Diego, California, though, justice has been served and a blow has been struck against the would-be attackers and dangers to the Gothic community.

After a year-long wait, the four Goths from San Diego finally found justice in the courts. They were attacked by a Navy man and his brother, which resulted in the hospitalization of Jim Howard, the current Goth Help Us - San Diego Chapter President. As of the end of August, the Navy man that attacked Jim, his wife and two friends was found guilty by a jury of his peers on 4 related counts, 2 of which were felonious. The brother is set for a trial potentially for 2 felony counts. Furthermore, the San Diego District Attorney should most definitely get a mention as they fought for the rights of the attacked and the San Diego Gothic community. * [Updated]

As for the two in the UK, there has been no update regarding their attackers or any actions that will be taken. All that we know here at Gothic Angst Webzine is that they were attacked at Lancashire park. We all hope that their attackers are found and justice is served swiftly.
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*This story has been corrected. Thanks to Jim for the information. Please see comment below.



4 Comments
james Howard, September 9, 2007:
Chris,

Small Clarification on the San Diego Incident:

The Assault was by one Navy man, and his brother who is not in the Navy.

One has been found guilty by jury of four counts (two felony), the other is going to be brought to court in a second trial and will most likely face 2 felony counts. The San Diego District Attorney has fought hard for the rights of the survivors of that attack and for the Gothic Community as a whole through that trial.

chris, September 9, 2007:
Thanks for the update Jim. I wanted to make sure that the news was posted. I thought that I had gotten pretty close… Cheers to you and yours!

sarah, September 9, 2007:
Im glad that justice has been served, hopefully he will get reparations from the navy as well, it is bad representing of the navy , They are sticklers about having their people represent the navy with high standards in their personal life as well as on the navy base. What he did is not acceptable and im sure the navy will rip him a new a** or give him dishonerable discharge needless to say it will go on his military record.

Brittany, September 10, 2007:
Man, that’s becomming a problem in Australia. A few weeks ago my mate Shorty got jumped by these guys and could of seriously got hurt.
Also one night down at the local shopping centre went nuts, girls attacking all the girl goths and boys attacking the guy goths. I got out of there but parents did nothing to help the people who got hurt.
Police won’t do anything about this crew called the GBC (Goth Bashing Crew) it’s plain stupid. I was target by the GBC’s girlfriends but it was nothing.

I’m just scared to even go down to a public area to hang out with my friends, it’s just getting to out of hand, something needs to be done everywhere around the globe before it gets out of hand.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:33 pm


Thats really sad that people do that..

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:15 pm


if you ask Me...it's like Racist people....I don't Know...I'm not, but from what I understand, people who don't know how to put up with people who dress differently and such it seems like Racism...........and That's Not Nice sad
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:02 pm


It is like racism and its horrible sad

haine13


Rellik San
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:56 am


Its already out of hand, but in part, its your own fault for having a victim complex and not standing up to these sorts of people as a united society. Why the hell do you think people are terrified of us metal fans?

Because we stand united against those that would scorn us, you can take the high ground, all you like, but the fact is, eye for an eye is still the most effective deterrent you can hold up to the general public, otherwise they will think they can get away with this kind of thing. If you don't want this kind of thing to happen any more, then rise up and don't take s**t off any body because for much of the world, physical violence is the only language they will understand.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:10 pm


I don't have much to say.

While it is a serious topic, it's also one that's been done to death. We've had at least 20 threads about Sophie Lancaster, and (I would guess) hundreds about discrimination against goths.

GilAskan
Crew


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Crew

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:02 pm


Can't really say it's like racism. Discrimination, yes, but not racism.
While race is something that one has no control over, to be goth is a conscious choice.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:50 pm


-Resurrected Writer-
Can't really say it's like racism. Discrimination, yes, but not racism.
While race is something that one has no control over, to be goth is a conscious choice.

A point I was considering to make myself. While both hatreds are irrational, one is moreso than the other.

Hating someone for their race is pure dellusion. It's hating someone for something they didn't choose, something they can't control, and something they can't change. Furthermore, it's feeling superior for being part of a race they you didn't choose to be a part of.

Hating someone for their social inclinations is hating them for their personal preferences and choices, not for an unchangable fact of fate.

GilAskan
Crew


A0_oJester

PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:12 pm


yeah i know a thing or 2 about discreminating (sorry cant spell)
i got in a fight with 2 chulo "" guys at a gas station for looking "" weird
all i can say is fight back for what u wanna believe in
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