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Nariana

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:58 pm


Because when it was dropped, it had already been at least a year since I got it. D: I can't get it again unless I order it somewhere. Who wants to do all that when you have over 100 more? DX

Aww, I'm sorry. At least yours wasn't dirty toilet water. XD

I feel so accomplished!!!
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Good. Very good. I totally agree with you the same. 3nodding Since you voted Galaxia, I shall vote the first one! XD It's like last week, since I can't decide. Or should I vote Galaxia? She was technically the toughest. confused Help me!!
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:09 pm


Oh I see!! I can see why that would make a difference sweatdrop

well, I voted for other *hence my long explanation* xd but the second choice I would pick would be galaxia and chaos themselves, not the ones they controlled. Does that make sense? >.<

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Nariana

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:14 pm


Uh-huh. v__v I'm a little sad about it now. *mopes a little*

Yes, I understand. But I count that as Galaxia in my head. ;P
So...who should I vote for? XD
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:18 pm


Nariana
Uh-huh. v__v I'm a little sad about it now. *mopes a little*

Yes, I understand. But I count that as Galaxia in my head. ;P
So...who should I vote for? XD


Aww!! It is okay!! *hugs*

hmm... they were separate battles though...
I do not know!! Vote for whoever you think is the toughest!! >. 3nodding

I posted my new topic!! heart What do you think??

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Nariana

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:24 pm


Thank you...*sniff*

Yes, I understand that fully. It's just easier to file it into Galaxia's aisle like that. Sorry. xp

But they were tough for different reasons! Dark Kingdom because it was her first, and she was naive! Galaxia and Chaos because they were last, and she was alone! Ugwaawhahahaha ahdffja oifr ajwe er;ia joer!!!! burning_eyes

It's wonderful!! Just one problem...*points toward your thread* You made me ramble and have a mental crisis. dramallama
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:31 pm


Nariana
Thank you...*sniff*

Yes, I understand that fully. It's just easier to file it into Galaxia's aisle like that. Sorry. xp

But they were tough for different reasons! Dark Kingdom because it was her first, and she was naive! Galaxia and Chaos because they were last, and she was alone! Ugwaawhahahaha ahdffja oifr ajwe er;ia joer!!!! burning_eyes

It's wonderful!! Just one problem...*points toward your thread* You made me ramble and have a mental crisis. dramallama


Hmm... you have a good point there... then I guess you will have to go with what you feel! If YOU were in her position, which one would you feel was the most challenging?

Oh no!! Why did you have a mental crisis!?!?

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Nariana

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:37 pm


I'll just say first then...v__v;; She was brand-new, there were a lot of them, she lost Darien for the first time.
Galaxia...she knew what she had to do, and she still had ChibiChibi to keep her fighting. I forgot about her. :3

Just go look at my weird ramble! XD
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:39 pm


Nariana
I'll just say first then...v__v;; She was brand-new, there were a lot of them, she lost Darien for the first time.
Galaxia...she knew what she had to do, and she still had ChibiChibi to keep her fighting. I forgot about her. :3

Just go look at my weird ramble! XD



Hmm... you make good points! I would say they are about even 3nodding

I posted back to your wonderful rambles!!

OH and happy gaian birthday!! heart

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:43 pm


I'm stuck between Black Moon clan and Galaxia.

Black Moon Clan because they pretty much took -over- the 30th century and won. If it wasn't for Chibiusa, they probably would've been able to run things. (Even if the world was half dead...)

Galaxia because, no one- I mean no one- was able to defeat her in battle. A one on one head to head fight. Not even Sailor Moon.

She died because of her bracelet in the manga (I like that one.) which fell after she came to some realization that what she was doing might not be the way to go about things.

Even then, Chaos is the greatest 'baddie' ever. Because it's like the Babeh-babeh kids- it don't die. It multiply~. (Movie reference xD; )

I actually feel bad for Chaos in a way. It just failed to become a real star ;3;. D: All it needs was a biiiig Huuuug~.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:53 pm


I am starting to regret choosing the first one. XD I really want to put Galaxia now for common sense's sake. But I'd have to delete the friggin' poll.

Thank you, Luv! But it's not for 2 days. ;3 4 years on Gaia is like middle age, right?

That's a very good point about Black Moon, Rei! I didn't even think of that! Controlling the future controls everything! And it was all stopped because Rini went back into the past. But then again, she lost the Crystal. D: At least she fixed her oopsie...

Yes, I sooo agree with you about Galaxia. But I couldn't choose between first and Galaxia. xP She was hardcore evil mistress whatever!

Chaos really did need a hug. If it had become a star earlier, it might not have gone bad. But technically, it did get a star when it was reborn. It was reborn as Sailor Chaos, the worst evil the world ever saw...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:23 am


Which is awesome. Because honestly, Chaos in and of itself isn't 'evil'. It's actually 'Dis-Order'. Which isn't all that bad because in Greek myth-everything is born from Chaos. Cosmos being 'Order' is just things that are simply in order. It's not really good, but it's not bad.

I consider both neutral. ;3 It just depends on how you look at it or how someone thinks things work.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:07 pm


Hm. I suppose you are right in a sense. I kind of understand, but could you break it down a tad more? Gosh, I picked a great topic this week!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:09 pm


Nariana
Hm. I suppose you are right in a sense. I kind of understand, but could you break it down a tad more? Gosh, I picked a great topic this week!


It's like this, Chaos= Messy room. Cosmos= Clean Room.

For some people Chaos is a bad thing. They can't find anything in there so they need Cosmos(Order/Clean Room) to be able to find everything.

However the opposite is also true. For some people Chaos is a good thing. Even though the room to an outsider looks so messy it's impossible to think that something could be found- the person that lives there needs the Chaos to find anything in that room.


So, if you toss the person that needs Chaos into a Cosmos Room-they won't be able to find anything. And are usually quite upset about this.


Now, to apply it in Greek/Sailor Moon terms. Here's what I dug up from Encyclopedia Mythica:

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Chaos is from the Greek word Khaos, meaning "gaping void". There are many explanations as to who or what Chaos is, but most theories state that it was the void from which all things developed into a distinctive entity, or in which they existed in a confused and amorphous shape before they were separated into genera. In other words, Chaos is or was "nothingness." Though some ancient writers thought it was the primary source of all things, other writers tell of Gaia (Earth) being born from Chaos without a mate, along with Eros and Tartarus. Then from Gaia came Uranus (Heaven or Sky) which gave us Heaven and Earth.

Chaos has been described as the great void of emptiness within the universe from which Eros came and it was he who gave divine order and also perfected all things. In later times it was written that Chaos was a confused shapeless mass from which the universe was developed into a cosmos, or harmonious order. For instance, Hesiod's Theogony says that Erebus and Black Night (Nyx) were born of Chaos, and Ovid the Roman writer described Chaos as an unordered and formless primordial mass. The first Metamorphoses reads, "rather a crude and indigested mass, a lifeless lump, unfashioned and unframed, of jarring seeds and justly Chaos named."

The Roman writer Ovid gave Chaos its modern meaning; that of an unordered and formless primordial mass.



^ That in itself isn't evil.

Chaos in the manga is also not 'evil'. Because it's wants are quite straight forward. It wants to become a Star. It also told Sailor Moon that everyone she has ever fought were really her 'brothers and sisters' which of whom she and the Senshi have all killed.
They were all born from Chaos and were suppose to seek out their counterparts.


Cosmos on the other hand in herself isn't that good either. Because she -did- run away she basically abandoned not only the fight but everything else. Letting Disorder reign. Meaning, she's not doing her job.

From what I've read the Definition of Cosmos is-
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1. The universe regarded as an orderly, harmonious whole.
2. An ordered, harmonious whole.
3. Harmony and order as distinct from chaos.



Though the concept of Cosmos is just that.


... xD; I ramble.

But the point is either or could be Good- what benefits us. Or 'Evil' - what doesn't benefit us.

Cosmos is seen generally as 'Good'. But it doesn't make it necessarily good. It just means that on the grand scale of things- it's all in order and working very well.

Chaos, though generally consider 'evil' or 'bad' isn't always so. Such as the creation of a planet, or a sun or a black hole- things like that are actually random and chaotic when it occurs. BUT because of those random occurrences we have what is a mish mash of good things.


v.v; I don't know if any of that made sense.... but that's how I see it. Kinda like light and darkness. For light to be possible there must be darkness, for darkness to be possible there has to be light.

And Nehellenia actually said it to Queen Serenity in the Dream arc. That they were one and the same. Serenity's Light and Nehellenia was Dark.

Chaos said that both are drawn to each other and neither one could exist without the other.

That's what Galaxia and Cosmos originally found so frustrating. They -both- wanted to destroy both sides of the specturm. Therefore no more wars and no more deaths.

What both had forgotten was that if you knock them both out, there's absolutely nothingness and in a way Chaos still gets to win because when you take both out of the equation and what makes the universe as it is-well... There's literally nothing.

Sailor Moon then in the manga, tells Chibi Chibi (Cosmos) that if she destroyed the cauldron- or even tried to (Because I don't believe she could do that by herself to be honest.) - then there's no more stars to be born. Which means all the people that Chibi Chibi (Cosmos) lost in the future would never be born in the first place. She might not even be born and there won't be hope for any future.

(Also like to add, I think that the Cauldron would just 'relocate' or maybe just start over again even if by some extreme slim chance, they destroyed it. )


o.o; but..yeah... that's all I think really. Don't get me started on my 'There's a LOT of Cauldrons out there~!' theory xD;
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:04 pm


O___o;;;;;
I musn't misunderstand you anymore. For everyone's sake! How long did that take you?!

I still only somewhat understood you. It is just my way of thinking blocking me, I think. Pretty much the way you think is that there really is no technical good or bad, at least in Sailor Moon. Everything revolves around each other on the chaos or cosmos side. They are just different purposes with different results. One is randomness with no control, and the other is complete control. They co-exist. Chaos was chaotic because it had no place, and it was just random. Therefore, it was 'bad' and needed to be stopped, to say. Cosmos arrived because she had a need to end that Chaos. She existed for her purpose. And shame on her for leaving. D:< The cauldron is like the eternal cycle of things for you, right? It cannot actually be destroyed because that is it's purpose.

Phew! Is this pretty much what you think in my attempt to ramble paraphrase? sweatdrop This is really trying to go over my head. I think I get what you are saying, but I still think of them as pure and evil for the sake of the story. XD What is your say about the lackies of them all? Are they considered evil to you? I am truly intrigued now to hear what you think. Could you also think of this as a theory?: Chaos could not be a star. Therefore, it had no order and wreaked havoc in revenge...This is one thought of what I think mixed with what you said.

Nariana

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:25 pm


1. I love what you both have had to say, it is awesome to think about and mull over in your head.

2. My brain blew a fuse heart
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