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 Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:39 pm
MeriThranduiliell Okay, this is what I posted in the "death bets" thread, but I figured it belonged here. sweatdrop Like I said there, I'm in the "purgatory boat". It seems like all the characters have to overcome something, and besides a few cuts and downplayed withdrawal, none have been hurt, let alone killed. I'm thinking that they'll be able to leave the island once they overcome what they've been having problems with (ie, maybe Charlie has to get over the drugs and forgive his brother; maybe Boone and Shannon need to appreciate each other; maybe Jack has to do something worthwhile with his medicine skills; maybe Sayid has to find a way to rescue them, rather than hurting people). I'm thinking that Locke and Walt both play a part in this, since Walt obviously has the ability to kill things (maybe he can also create them? He did bring in the polar bear...) and Locke is either holding them back (which is what I'm thinking) or allowing them to reach their individual goals to get off the island. I don't think Locke is holding them back. I'm with him helping them reach their individual goals. He's not evil or crazy - in fact, he seems to be the only one who knows what's going on and why.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:45 pm
Canis-chan MeriThranduiliell Okay, this is what I posted in the "death bets" thread, but I figured it belonged here. sweatdrop Like I said there, I'm in the "purgatory boat". It seems like all the characters have to overcome something, and besides a few cuts and downplayed withdrawal, none have been hurt, let alone killed. I'm thinking that they'll be able to leave the island once they overcome what they've been having problems with (ie, maybe Charlie has to get over the drugs and forgive his brother; maybe Boone and Shannon need to appreciate each other; maybe Jack has to do something worthwhile with his medicine skills; maybe Sayid has to find a way to rescue them, rather than hurting people). I'm thinking that Locke and Walt both play a part in this, since Walt obviously has the ability to kill things (maybe he can also create them? He did bring in the polar bear...) and Locke is either holding them back (which is what I'm thinking) or allowing them to reach their individual goals to get off the island. I don't think Locke is holding them back. I'm with him helping them reach their individual goals. He's not evil or crazy - in fact, he seems to be the only one who knows what's going on and why. That's part of the reason I don't trust him. sweatdrop I'm thinking he's more "chaotic neutral" than evil or good, persay. The fact that he has Boone and Charlie trusting him is frightening- the fact that he seems to be the "all powerful and knowing" guy scares me even more. If I were on the island, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:47 pm
MeriThranduiliell That's part of the reason I don't trust him. sweatdrop I'm thinking he's more "chaotic neutral" than evil or good, persay. The fact that he has Boone and Charlie trusting him is frightening- the fact that he seems to be the "all powerful and knowing" guy scares me even more. If I were on the island, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. sweatdrop Heh, never thought of it that way. Good points. But he's never really done anything directly endangering anyone. He seems to know just what buttons to push in order to nudge a character towards the right path.
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:56 pm
Canis-chan MeriThranduiliell That's part of the reason I don't trust him. sweatdrop I'm thinking he's more "chaotic neutral" than evil or good, persay. The fact that he has Boone and Charlie trusting him is frightening- the fact that he seems to be the "all powerful and knowing" guy scares me even more. If I were on the island, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. sweatdrop Heh, never thought of it that way. Good points. But he's never really done anything directly endangering anyone. He seems to know just what buttons to push in order to nudge a character towards the right path. Not directly... but he did put Charlie in danger with the boar, and whether or not the last episode WAS a dream, then Boone and Shannon. And he's pitting Sayid against Sawyer. I'm wondering if where he's pushing the characters really IS the right path, or whether it's more to get them on his side. I mean, I don't think what he did to Boone was right, and like I said before, I don't like how he's already got two members of the island trusting him. ... actually, four, since Walt and Michael trust him now, too. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:59 pm
MeriThranduiliell Canis-chan MeriThranduiliell That's part of the reason I don't trust him. sweatdrop I'm thinking he's more "chaotic neutral" than evil or good, persay. The fact that he has Boone and Charlie trusting him is frightening- the fact that he seems to be the "all powerful and knowing" guy scares me even more. If I were on the island, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. sweatdrop Heh, never thought of it that way. Good points. But he's never really done anything directly endangering anyone. He seems to know just what buttons to push in order to nudge a character towards the right path. Not directly... but he did put Charlie in danger with the boar, and whether or not the last episode WAS a dream, then Boone and Shannon. And he's pitting Sayid against Sawyer. I'm wondering if where he's pushing the characters really IS the right path, or whether it's more to get them on his side. I mean, I don't think what he did to Boone was right, and like I said before, I don't like how he's already got two members of the island trusting him. ... actually, four, since Walt and Michael trust him now, too. sweatdrop I dunno. I like to think he's trying to do the right thing, albeit in an indirect and odd way. He has helped them all, though. Charlie, Jack, Michael & Walt, Boone, in a way..... It's all really vague. I suppose we'll have to wait and see.... sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:06 pm
Canis-chan MeriThranduiliell Canis-chan MeriThranduiliell That's part of the reason I don't trust him. sweatdrop I'm thinking he's more "chaotic neutral" than evil or good, persay. The fact that he has Boone and Charlie trusting him is frightening- the fact that he seems to be the "all powerful and knowing" guy scares me even more. If I were on the island, I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. sweatdrop Heh, never thought of it that way. Good points. But he's never really done anything directly endangering anyone. He seems to know just what buttons to push in order to nudge a character towards the right path. Not directly... but he did put Charlie in danger with the boar, and whether or not the last episode WAS a dream, then Boone and Shannon. And he's pitting Sayid against Sawyer. I'm wondering if where he's pushing the characters really IS the right path, or whether it's more to get them on his side. I mean, I don't think what he did to Boone was right, and like I said before, I don't like how he's already got two members of the island trusting him. ... actually, four, since Walt and Michael trust him now, too. sweatdrop I dunno. I like to think he's trying to do the right thing, albeit in an indirect and odd way. He has helped them all, though. Charlie, Jack, Michael & Walt, Boone, in a way..... It's all really vague. I suppose we'll have to wait and see.... sweatdrop Eh, I guess so... but Charlie could have kicked his habit without Locke's help (he was going to run out of drugs in a few days anyway), I think Walt would have been able to save himself without the help of Locke or his father (he can kill things, remember), Boone... well, like I said, I don't think that was helpful. And Jack... I can't really remember what it was that Locke did for him. sweatdrop Yeah, we need some new episodes to help us, here! xp
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:09 pm
MeriThranduiliell Eh, I guess so... but Charlie could have kicked his habit without Locke's help (he was going to run out of drugs in a few days anyway), I think Walt would have been able to save himself without the help of Locke or his father (he can kill things, remember), Boone... well, like I said, I don't think that was helpful. And Jack... I can't really remember what it was that Locke did for him. sweatdrop Yeah, we need some new episodes to help us, here! xp I'm not sure what Walt does is just kill things. Some things died around him, yes, but I got the initial impression that he's lucky. He beat Hurley at Backgammon many times, and he managed to hit the tree with the knife just because he concentrated on it. Maybe Walt subconsciously influences things around him, I really dunno.... I'm reaching here. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:13 pm
Canis-chan MeriThranduiliell Eh, I guess so... but Charlie could have kicked his habit without Locke's help (he was going to run out of drugs in a few days anyway), I think Walt would have been able to save himself without the help of Locke or his father (he can kill things, remember), Boone... well, like I said, I don't think that was helpful. And Jack... I can't really remember what it was that Locke did for him. sweatdrop Yeah, we need some new episodes to help us, here! xp I'm not sure what Walt does is just kill things. Some things died around him, yes, but I got the initial impression that he's lucky. He beat Hurley at Backgammon many times, and he managed to hit the tree with the knife just because he concentrated on it. Maybe Walt subconsciously influences things around him, I really dunno.... I'm reaching here. sweatdrop I'm following ya! 3nodding I don't think that he just kills things- I mean, he can create them, as well. Like you said, I think he can control what happens around him. (Maybe he subconsciously caused the crash?)
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:16 pm
MeriThranduiliell Canis-chan MeriThranduiliell Eh, I guess so... but Charlie could have kicked his habit without Locke's help (he was going to run out of drugs in a few days anyway), I think Walt would have been able to save himself without the help of Locke or his father (he can kill things, remember), Boone... well, like I said, I don't think that was helpful. And Jack... I can't really remember what it was that Locke did for him. sweatdrop Yeah, we need some new episodes to help us, here! xp I'm not sure what Walt does is just kill things. Some things died around him, yes, but I got the initial impression that he's lucky. He beat Hurley at Backgammon many times, and he managed to hit the tree with the knife just because he concentrated on it. Maybe Walt subconsciously influences things around him, I really dunno.... I'm reaching here. sweatdrop I'm following ya! 3nodding I don't think that he just kills things- I mean, he can create them, as well. Like you said, I think he can control what happens around him. (Maybe he subconsciously caused the crash?) Oooh! Never thought of that one! xd Yeah, that's really neat. Maybe he can both create and destory. Influence the environment around him, really.
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:17 pm
Not sure if this really belongs here, but what the hey... Anyway, I found it amusing that in the two classes I had today, the professors went into a lecture about ... I think they were like philosophers or something... Locke and Sayid.
Now, from what I gathered, they seemed to have opposing types of views (Locke was the guy who thought that we can't create anything new, and Sayid was anti-imperialism- opposite of Locke's Britishness). I wish they had gone into more detail in class, though, since that could help us to understand why the respective characters in Lost are "against" each other. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:15 pm
Are Sayid and Locke all that against each other? Don't they just not communicate very often? The only time I really remember them talking was a few episodes ago when Sayid didn't hear Locke walking up from behind him.
But that's good, I had no idea about Sayid being a philosopher, too...hmm...
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:04 pm
Tyo Are Sayid and Locke all that against each other? Don't they just not communicate very often? The only time I really remember them talking was a few episodes ago when Sayid didn't hear Locke walking up from behind him. But that's good, I had no idea about Sayid being a philosopher, too...hmm... Well, Sayid seems to not be taking to Locke very well. I don't think the "broken" compass fixed their relationship. Plus, according to my theory that Locke wants to keep them on the island and Sayid is the one most likely to get them off (they're the two smartest people there), that would pit them against each other. I'll have to find out more about what Sayid (the writer) actually did. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:06 pm
Ooh! That's a good parallel that I hadn't noticed. Also: Sayid has a thing for Shannon, Locke has a thing for BOONE. Yeah, the fauxcesters. Think about it. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:22 pm
Tyo Ooh! That's a good parallel that I hadn't noticed. Also: Sayid has a thing for Shannon, Locke has a thing for BOONE. Yeah, the fauxcesters. Think about it. 3nodding Ah, how did I forget to mention that?
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Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:23 pm
Well, I don't know how you could ever forget that plot point. It's only two of the hottest couples on the island. Aside, from of course, Jin/Hurley & Vincent/Poley B.
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