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 Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:44 am
Nariana Suki! I think I understand your response...a smidge. xD A little confusing, but I like it. You don't want to be te main leader, but you want to lead a little? Yeah, that's what I mean. Good job!
I'd rather not lead, but I can and am good at it when I need to be. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:01 pm
I am going to take a break from the SM related thoughtful questions.
We all say killing is wrong and should not be done, correct? (To those religious people, it is even in the Bible). However, there are always those twisted people, and or those country leaders who think that in order to get their way, they kill others.
But how are those people punished? They are killed. People who kill others are punished and shown it is wrong by being killed themselves.
Do you think this right or wrong?
EDIT:
Can you think of different way to deal with people who kill others?
(most of the time: This is of course not true in every case).
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:15 pm
I'm not totally sure I understand your question, but if I do....
They do deserve to die for killing other innocent people according to their beliefs or whatever. mad I think they should just rot in jail for the rest of their lives. They can die on their own time or hopefully get saved and change their ways completely. This is my hard, truthful opinion.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:34 pm
Nariana I'm not totally sure I understand your question, but if I do.... They do deserve to die for killing other innocent people according to their beliefs or whatever. mad I think they should just rot in jail for the rest of their lives. They can die on their own time or hopefully get saved and change their ways completely. This is my hard, truthful opinion. Let me try to be clearer and try to be less wordy: Why do people show others that killing people is wrong by killing the people who kill people? I like your opinion: Maybe if they sit in jail for awhile they will see the error of their ways.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:54 pm
I'm not totally sure about that one. If I had to guess, I would just say that it's human error. Punishing convicted murderers by "killing/murdering" (what you want to call it) them may be just to show an example to meeker ones who treasure their life of what will happen if they continue. I really don't know, though.
Did I get it this time?
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:14 pm
Nariana I'm not totally sure about that one. If I had to guess, I would just say that it's human error. Punishing convicted murderers by "killing/murdering" (what you want to call it) them may be just to show an example to meeker ones who treasure their life of what will happen if they continue. I really don't know, though. Did I get it this time? Sounds good to me! I just saw a topic about this once on some random website and decided to try to recreate the discussion. But I must say, human error seems to happen over and over...
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:55 pm
Well, you did a good job! I think we have already made good discussion!
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:04 pm
Nariana Well, you did a good job! I think we have already made good discussion! I edited the original question to make it a lil more interesting. ^_^ and thank you!
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:16 am
Actually the bible does condone killing-among other things. But it depends on which side you're looking and at which qoutes.
Personally, I'm mostly for the old Testament in this- Eye for an eye they say (Of course it goes on listing more and more >>; ) but only within reason I guess.
If there's without a shadow of a doubt that you have killed someone- therefore that person deserves death. However- it should be done with the thoughts of the times in mind.
Like for instance, if a child kills another there should be tests to prove that that child didn't know any better wasn't influenced by their upbringing (I do not prescribe to the whole 'Just because their parents are murderers/ect'. Only thing that tells me is the kids more likely to act on their anger then not) and genetics has little play in them- they should be given a chance to live their lives supervised by a good psychologist.
However, if the child DID know better and understood what he/she had been doing, I personally think that child should be put into the military and never let out. It's because there ARE people out there that are socipaths/psychopaths and with tendencies to kill as well.
Some of them come in impulse, some of them aren't.
For adults that kill and show no remorse- I say let'em die and meet their maker.
Because really the death should hinge on the fact of these people actually being remorseful. That's the whole point of sitting on Death Row for so long these days and the same with Life Sentences.
I don't particularly like 'Life Sentences' especially in obvious murder cases when there's proof that this person took another life about 99%.
It over crowds actual prisons, less food for others that are in there as well.
*Sounds kinda cruel but...*
And now for Off Topic! (And...Sailor moon based. Dx; Sorry...)
Also, there killing in Sailor Moon too- actually Sailor Moon kills a lot of sentient things "In the Name of the Moon".
I mean the Youmas(ie Monsters of the Day) are sentient creatures that -can- be reasoned with. Take that one from the First season that had a crush on Jadeite in the episode where they held a contest for cruise tickets and Rei and Ami got to go while Usagi snuck on board with Luna in disguised.
That woman died because not only was Jadeite her master but because she really had feelings for him.
And in the Manga it's the same way. Like the Animates. They're just killed. There's no 'talking it out' there's no- 'Trying to the very last to save them' there.
In the Panel with Eternal Sailor Moon facing off against Tin Nyanko- Tin Nyanko attacked Diana and then Attacked Luna and Artemis damaging them a bit and they were unable to speak.
In rage, Sailor Moon Kills Nyanko even though she knows- and has learned- about the planet Mau and why Nyanko was the way she was.
Same with Red/Lead Crow. Yes she was jealous. Heck who wouldn't be?
Not to mention, none of them (or we don't ever see it.) show regret or remorse of ever killing a General-or anyone that doesn't see their way of things. (Especially in the manga and early Anime.)
The only time they've ever shed a tear was in the Anime about Naru/Nephrite.
That's only because Nephrite actually cared enough about Naru to protect her and she was really in love with him and wanted to stand up for him.
Other then that- no one else ever gotten that kind of consideration. (Until we get to the Rainbow Crystals but even then..that's another horse of a different color in a way.)
However, what about all those times when the Youmas themselves seemed puzzled over what's going on? Those were all chances that the Sailor Senshi could prove themselves capable of helping those poor creatures instead of killing them.
After all, are they only going to save humans? Rhett Butler was a Cat, but without Luna telling Usagi and the others about him I suspect he would've been killed as well.
My point is, in both aspects they're telling us "No this isn't right" yet they turn around and say 'it's justice'.
Either killing people is wrong and none of it should be done, or killing is 'sometimes' wrong and it's alright.
Because ultimately, even though you kill the murderer/Killer you are still a murderer yourself. <---Which is Contradicting what's been told to us in the first place.
Not sure how much of that makes sense. ^^; Personally, I've settled to a point where I know I'm contradicting myself often, even though I understand the underlying reasons.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:05 am
I think there is actually a difference between killing in rage and killing for justice. It's just not often that the two can be easily separated.
If you look at it in a minor case, a child who lies to his mother must be punished. Not because his mother is angry and vengeful, but because it is good and right for him to learn there are consequences to his actions. It is very bad if the mother gets angry and spanks her child. But if she is calm and explains to him that he must be spanked because he has done something wrong, and proceeds calmly and without wrath, then that is not only good for the child. It is good for society. That child will grow up knowing that you don't do wrong things because there are consequences for doing them.
In a similar way, punishment for murder is necessary because the murderers have wounded society and individuals in society (it may even be argued that they do harm to themselves by killing others). There must be consequences for their grave and evil actions. Now people may disagree as to what those consequences may be, but it makes it easier to understand why the death penalty is allowed for those who kill others, when it may appear a contradiction.
Personally, I don't believe in the death penalty because of my faith, unless under dire circumstances. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:16 am
Hmm *Just idle thinking.* I think another problem is, people want absolutes. That's why it's always a struggle on whether or not there should be a death penalty. Beh. << One of the Gray areas of society of course...
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:33 am
Yes, and you bring up good points about the senshi in Sailor Moon rarely showing remorse, especially in the manga. xp
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:57 pm
xD; Well it's true. There's no real questioning of ethics here. Only over "Oh I almost hit a kid!~" or "I'm doubting my boy/girlfriend!" or "Oh, I'm doubting my purpose!"
But nothing else of that sort. Even after that whole thing with Black Moon Clan and Learning their reasons as to -why- it occurred...
She probably-won't- do anything different.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:48 pm
Wow, this is serious discussion. I agree with some points, and I disagree with some. I won't get into detail about that because it is too long to dissect and explain for everything. I am not as dedicated as Rei! >.<
To me, this all leads back to human error. The human thinking on this topic is too vast and different, so something is bound to be wrong in our sense of logic. So there!
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:59 pm
Rei Torano In the Panel with Eternal Sailor Moon facing off against Tin Nyanko- Tin Nyanko attacked Diana and then Attacked Luna and Artemis damaging them a bit and they were unable to speak. In rage, Sailor Moon Kills Nyanko even though she knows- and has learned- about the planet Mau and why Nyanko was the way she was. In the sudden defense of Sailor Moon, even if they had reasoned with her, she would have been killed anyway as we see with Galaxia when she realizes the truth in the end, the bracelets break off and she dies anyway (in the manga at least, I have yet to get to the end of the anime). ^_^
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