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roy is to slow for marth and i can take u down easyly with marth! rofl

While marth's disjointed hitbox is extremly useful, I still have to go with God-tier Shiek. Her speed, when combined with the unfairly balanced airials she has, puts her far beyond all others.

....hmm.... Well, let me retort with this... Pichu lacks the power to ko at early damage, pikachu uses it's body for most of it's attacks, because it's arms are crap, so it's hit box is it's head, which makes it quite a bit easier to damage, captain falcon' lag is terrible, even with L canceling, Falco lacks power and dies way too early. Fox is the only mention with decent ability, but he falls like he's metal.

...So... That makes shiek the only fast charactor with powerful attacks and good technique. Grated, I'm sure a lot of people could 'kick my a**' with the above mentioned, but that has to do with skill, not the charactor. Shiek Got an unfair imbalance in the game in speed, power, and lack of lag time, probably due to the fact that the creators thought that she was a balance for zelda. Thier bad....my good.

i like link, because he has all those cool weapons, such as bombs, swords, and a boomerang. and kirby... he has cool moves, and can copy other characters. pikachu is cool too, because he's cute, fast, and has really good electric moves. and ness too... because he has rare moves that are really powerful. and seamus, because she's really powerful.

Ok... let me start with this. I completly agree that Skill>Charactor.
However, contrary to these statements below, I find that because of the fact that the creators of melee did not see fully into the workings of SSBM, that a lot of the charactors were left weaker or stronger in amount of potential. Obviously, this statement cannot, due to it's nature, be proven... but I will at least provide evidence to sway opinions towards it.


...First off, let me start by disproving a couple points. First off, you said that shiek's smashes don't really pack a punch. An important realization here is that not ALL of shiek's smashes pack a punch. A downsmash or a sweet-spotted upsmash is extremly deadly. However, her oversmash is weak and useless. Any fairly decent shiek player has probably already figured out not to use that move, infact. But because others DO use it, and people see the computer use it, it gives the effect that shiek has weak smashes, when infact she doesn't. Second off, her running speed is not medium. It is topped only by fox, falco, falcon, and pichu. that's 5th out of more than a couple dozen charactors. That looks above average if you ask me.


Ok, Pikachu. First off, here's the things that he has in common his Shiek that you listed. Good attack range, good smash attacks, his speed, his 'hit and run ability'(which is near universal if you consider wavedashing) and his frontal attacks. So what advantage does pickachu have that shiek doesn't? Nothing. Now shiek, however, has a projectile that doesn't go slower than his running speed, has excellent combo ability, and has an excellent airial game. All things pikachu lacks. So Shiek has Pikachu's advantages, plus some.


First off, take another look. I'm not talking three second lag here, I'm talking milli-second lag. Milli-seconds matter in a serious fight. Now look at all of captains moves. ALL of them. After ALL of them, he does some crazy movement that gets him back to his fighting position. THAT is reffered to as lag. In that state, you cannot attack, dodge, jump, block, ANYTHING. He has an extra heaping helping of it, too. Play against him on slowmo. Watch him, and I bet you can make him pay for every mistake. When I say lag, I'm not just talking about falcon punch, I mean everything. Second, Falcon does have good airials, but their priority sucks so bad it's not even worth it to try. Now, that aside, Here's the things he has in common with shiek. His attack strength, and assuming you're talking about wall-jumping, then his "extra jump." Now, shiek actually DOES have good airials, and excels when it comes to lag-time. On top of that, Shiek has a good recovery, unlike falcon's, whom I could fox-shine with my eyes closed. So shiek has all of Falcon's advantages, except for maybe his running speed, and then some.


Ok, falcon has this on shiek- His jump, and his shine. Shiek however, can equal falcon's jump hieght, if she switches to zelda in a crucial moment (such as recovery). Granted, Falcon has the shine, as does fox, but that can't be helped. If shiek had the shine, afterall, the game would likely explode. Now, Shiek however, has good attack power, weighs more, and has higher priority than any of falco's moves. So shiek has all of Falco's advatages, except for the shine, and then some.


Fox is probably the best charactor in the game besides shiek, and maybe marth. His shine is godly, and his spam blaster is hell. Shiek, however, can spam needles at the same damage rate, and doesn't fall like she has cement shoes. her airials are superior (minus foxes up air) and her range and priority is better. Shiek then, has all of Fox's advantages, minus the shine, and then some.


Heh.... I saved Pichu for last for a reason. Before I even start, go look at Pichu's trophies. In ALL THREE of them, the nintindo creators insult his fighting abililty. In one of them they say that "he is nimble and hard to hit. Those are the ONLY two advantages, however." Pichu is basically a downgrade of pikachu. He got a little faster and a little shorter. These are the only two things he's got on pikachu, and coincidently, they are the only two things he's got on shiek. And you know what? Most people know how to aim down! His airial 'hit and run tactics' are actaully extremly predictable, and a wavedash fowards or back cancels them easily. Shiek, however, plays with fast falling much easier, has a much better combo ability, better power, better range, better priority and is much harder to knock back. ..I don't even think I have to say it.


...Actually, for two years strait, I was a devote Roy fanatic. I would use noone else. Then, one day, a friend of mine smoked me so badly with shiek, that I had to give her a try. I immidiatly noticed that I could play better. I still occasionally play with Roy, if I'm getting tired of shiek, But honestly, Roy is no where near capable of the same level of game play.

...To conclude, I understand that everyone prefers a different style, and I understand that different people have different skill levels. I also understand that, move for move, run for run, jump for jump, and combo for combo, Shiek is much better of a charactor than almost any other. Nowhere near a 'game-breaker', or anything, but statistly, logically ...better.

...I'm assuming no one has anything else to say?

Yeah, I'm the only Roy player I know, so I would enjoy the opportunity as well. I guess we'll just have to wait and pray that smash revolutions is a decent game.

my favorite is fox because he is fast and i am awsomely good with his speediness heart twisted