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 Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:12 pm
Magical Girl Yossy Sio Except it isn't exactly fun when you lose every single damn time. That's what's going to happen when people go online, and when happens, no one will play online except for those who do use advanced techniques. Dude, that's like saying that the only people who are going to play Halo 3 online are the ones who pwned Halo and Halo 2. In other words, it's not true. Obviously, there will be exceptions, considering the huge fanbase that is the Smash community. There will be plenty of players who will keep playing even without advanced techniques, but a lot of them will get turned off from getting beaten every damn time. For example, there were plenty of opinions on "snaking" in Mario Kart DS. Some thought snaking was perfectly legit, since it takes quite a bit of skill to pull it off consistently, others thought it ruined the online experience because it's nearly impossible to beat a snaker without snaking yourself. That's pretty much what's going to be the same thing happening in Brawl.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:47 pm
Who says the ones who pwned will continue to pwn anyways? I'm sure it's been mentioned before but, we are going to be working with an entirely new control system. We'll have to master a whole new way to wavedash and cancel with the Wii Remote, assuming such techniques will be useable in the first place. This ain't your daddy's gamepad we're using anymore, remember that.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 6:50 pm
Starshine_Monarch Who says the ones who pwned will continue to pwn anyways? I'm sure it's been mentioned before but, we are going to be working with an entirely new control system. We'll have to master a whole new way to wavedash and cancel with the Wii Remote, assuming such techniques will be useable in the first place. This ain't your daddy's gamepad we're using anymore, remember that. Gamespot Another question was presented to Sakurai. "How will Super Smash Bros. Brawl take advantage of the Wii controller?" The designer said he had been working with different ideas and had found that too much use of the controller's pointing and motion-sensor functions was not a good thing. He then dropped a hint, saying gamers may not want to throw away their old GameCube controllers, which the Wii supports. Sakurai then said he wants to support the console but offer something different from other Wii games. Here's the source.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:30 am
Sio dante_sparta dude. honestly. who really gives a crap. isn't this just supposed to be fun. people take this way too seriously. just play. don't worry about advanced techs. just play and have a good time. its not like it's a life or death situation if ou lose. Except it isn't exactly fun when you lose every single damn time. That's what's going to happen when people go online, and when happens, no one will play online except for those who do use advanced techniques. Besides, this isn't so much targetted at those who play the game casually, so much as it's targetted at those who play frequently and claim they're "the best" without using advanced techniques. Sirlin has some really great articles on competitive play. I recommend you read at least part one. but the point is to have fun. whether you win or lose shouldn't matter if you just enjoy the game.people who get mad when they lose are way too competitive. and i do see your point. some people might get mad and stop playing but good riddance i say. people like that ruin it for everyone else.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:20 am
dante_sparta Sio dante_sparta dude. honestly. who really gives a crap. isn't this just supposed to be fun. people take this way too seriously. just play. don't worry about advanced techs. just play and have a good time. its not like it's a life or death situation if ou lose. Except it isn't exactly fun when you lose every single damn time. That's what's going to happen when people go online, and when happens, no one will play online except for those who do use advanced techniques. Besides, this isn't so much targetted at those who play the game casually, so much as it's targetted at those who play frequently and claim they're "the best" without using advanced techniques. Sirlin has some really great articles on competitive play. I recommend you read at least part one. but the point is to have fun. whether you win or lose shouldn't matter if you just enjoy the game.people who get mad when they lose are way too competitive. and i do see your point. some people might get mad and stop playing but good riddance i say. people like that ruin it for everyone else. Not exactly. I don't think you've read the article, but as it says, playing competitively doesn't mean you're not having fun. In fact, I get a lot more fun out of playing against my friends with advanced techniques than I did without them. Besides, in addition to losing, if a casual player goes up against a competitive player who mains someone like Falco, the casual player will barely be able to do anything. Being unable to hit, let alone attack, your opponent is definitely very frustrating.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:46 pm
Hmm, are you sure about people in SSBM are able to carry over their skill to SSBB?
Personally, I don't think so. Remember the SSB64 (That old thing). I'm rather good at that game and can compete with the best (with the exception of Isai's yellow rat.). However, the game system doesn't carry over in SSBM. (Full lag reduction z-canceling -> half lag reduction l-canceling, DI system, very little "combos", no tech delay time -> tech delay) Thus why I'm not as effective in SSBM.
With the introduction of brawl, it seems almost obvious that there will be significant focus on aerial comboing and techniques. With the field reset and this new focus, are you sure that those on top of SSBM will be on top of SSBB?
Cause I can tell you, a lot of SSBM player who play SSB64 regularly suck at that version. >_> Ken himself was not a god of SSB64 either, but still made it good in SSBM.
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Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:25 pm
True, but the players that are going to dive straight into competitive play in Brawl are the ones who already do so now with Melee. They're going to quickly discover what still works, what doesn't, and what new things have been added. Casual players will get left behind almost immediately.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:08 am
All of you have very good points, from what I can tell, and indeed, there will most definitely be a skill gap. However, like myself, I feel that someone can definitely tear up the ranks online if they try it first, gauge their skills, practice enough to up their skill, and see what happens after. Of course, I've never been to a local SSBM tourney, but one of these days, I will do so, and I'll just see how it all works out, but I feel that I've got enough skill to go places. Just gotta keep working at your stuff: check out the different fighting styles, find any weaknesses, and use them on the online front.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:18 am
Can you have servers that are open only to other specific people? I'd think that there would be some people who are only interested in playing against their friends.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:52 am
Magical Girl Yossy Can you have servers that are open only to other specific people? I'd think that there would be some people who are only interested in playing against their friends. Well, I assume that they're going to go about it like they did with the DS. You can send your friends your Wii code and then you can select the option to search for friends rather than regional/worldwide/etc. Which isn't too bad, I guess.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:16 pm
So basically, you guys are saying that I wont have a good time because Im not a pro. Because Im a casual player. I say you should shut up because you dont know what you're saying. I lose all the time. So? I still have fun. Ive lost so many times you would quit. I havent quit. Ive only gotten better. I dont know how to wavedash. It doesnt mean I'll never learn. I think you guys should just do you and let everyone do them. If you fight a noob, fight 'em. It shouldnt be a big deal.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:06 pm
Ryusuke Mitsurugi So basically, you guys are saying that I wont have a good time because Im not a pro. Because Im a casual player. I say you should shut up because you dont know what you're saying. I lose all the time. So? I still have fun. Ive lost so many times you would quit. I havent quit. Ive only gotten better. I dont know how to wavedash. It doesnt mean I'll never learn. I think you guys should just do you and let everyone do them. If you fight a noob, fight 'em. It shouldnt be a big deal.
No one ever stated that noobs won't be able to have fun. Learn to read the first post properly.
The argument here is the skill gap between the casual player and the advanced player - whether it'll become greater or shorter with the coming of SSBB.
Furthermore, ArcVyse only stated that those arrogant players who think they are "pro" are going to be surprised when techniques implements in melee will be brought into brawl, when they realize they aren't so great.
Finally, no post has stated that noobs cannot have fun minus that of Sparda's whose argument is filled with holes. People can have fun when they lose; on top of that, people will just find those with their similar skill level online.
Sadly, Smash now isn't "just a game". Look at SephirothKen who earned $100,000 playing this game. >_>
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:15 pm
Vyse and ~Ming Yun~ are right.
I for one can't wait to see how my friends handle themselves, they consider themselves "pro" and said they'd be able to beat the guys in the Melbourne Smash scene despite the fact they've never played them. And when I told them they couldn't I was apparently wrong lol.
I'm going to be watching their progress.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:03 am
~Ming Yun~ Ryusuke Mitsurugi So basically, you guys are saying that I wont have a good time because Im not a pro. Because Im a casual player. I say you should shut up because you dont know what you're saying. I lose all the time. So? I still have fun. Ive lost so many times you would quit. I havent quit. Ive only gotten better. I dont know how to wavedash. It doesnt mean I'll never learn. I think you guys should just do you and let everyone do them. If you fight a noob, fight 'em. It shouldnt be a big deal.
No one ever stated that noobs won't be able to have fun. Learn to read the first post properly.
The argument here is the skill gap between the casual player and the advanced player - whether it'll become greater or shorter with the coming of SSBB.
Furthermore, ArcVyse only stated that those arrogant players who think they are "pro" are going to be surprised when techniques implements in melee will be brought into brawl, when they realize they aren't so great.
Finally, no post has stated that noobs cannot have fun minus that of Sparda's whose argument is filled with holes. People can have fun when they lose; on top of that, people will just find those with their similar skill level online.
Sadly, Smash now isn't "just a game". Look at SephirothKen who earned $100,000 playing this game. >_>You are correct. Forgive me for the earlier rant. I guess reading Sparda's post angered me. As far as the argument goes, there's no telling how the gap will go. We'll just have to wait and see. Lastly, Smash will always be just a game. Just like every sport. The fact that that man won all that money just shows how much he was willing to sacifice for that game.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:11 am
~Ming Yun~ Ryusuke Mitsurugi So basically, you guys are saying that I wont have a good time because Im not a pro. Because Im a casual player. I say you should shut up because you dont know what you're saying. I lose all the time. So? I still have fun. Ive lost so many times you would quit. I havent quit. Ive only gotten better. I dont know how to wavedash. It doesnt mean I'll never learn. I think you guys should just do you and let everyone do them. If you fight a noob, fight 'em. It shouldnt be a big deal.
No one ever stated that noobs won't be able to have fun. Learn to read the first post properly.
The argument here is the skill gap between the casual player and the advanced player - whether it'll become greater or shorter with the coming of SSBB.
Furthermore, ArcVyse only stated that those arrogant players who think they are "pro" are going to be surprised when techniques implements in melee will be brought into brawl, when they realize they aren't so great.
Finally, no post has stated that noobs cannot have fun minus that of Sparda's whose argument is filled with holes. People can have fun when they lose; on top of that, people will just find those with their similar skill level online.
Sadly, Smash now isn't "just a game". Look at SephirothKen who earned $100,000 playing this game. >_>first the names is sparta. and also, i stated that the point is to have fun. i never said that competitive play wasn't fun but that winning or losing shouldn't matter. i also said that noobs should have fun but those who only play to win ruin it for everyone else. maybe you should understand better what people are trying to say before you dis them.
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