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 Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:44 am
LorienLlewellyn letting a child play with whatever they want to is one thing and dressing in what ever they want is fairly harmless but exactly how much choice is actually good for a young child? I know little about early child development but a two year old knows very little beyond what is taught at home. Does a toddler even know how/why one choses a gender?
My trouble is with what exactly is appropriate questions to pose to a two year old? What are they actually capable of dealing with?
And what affect will hiding something from them have. Kids are very perceptive they know when you are telling them something. And they will seek out someone who will tell them what they want to know if it is important enough to them. And shouldn't that be their parents?
Edit: Also if your parents one day told you that during a portion of your life you do not remember they experimented on you, how would you feel?
There are ethical issues here that are insanely difficult to iron out.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:52 am
Elcia And what affect will hiding something from them have. Kids are very perceptive they know when you are telling them something. And they will seek out someone who will tell them what they want to know if it is important enough to them. And shouldn't that be their parents? It sounds like you think Pop's parents are keeping Pop's sex a secret from Pop? If so, that's not what is going on here. They're keeping Pop's sex a secret from people that they don't know well so that those people don't form any gender specific expectations about Pop yet. Elcia Also if your parents one day told you that during a portion of your life you do not remember they experimented on you, how would you feel? I might be upset if I were experimented on or I might be thrilled. It really depends on the experiment. I fail to see what that has to do with Pop though because Pop is not an experiment. Pop's parents just think this is the best way to raise their child, and given all the gender stereotypes that we have, they're probably right.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:53 am
LorienLlewellyn Alarias Bunch of hippie BS...I feel bad for "Pop". It's "hippie BS" to have parents who want their child to find him/herself? I don't think so. I'd say it's hillbilly BS that some people aren't supportive and open minded about it. Kids will find themselves regardless, that's how we all grow up and it's a part of learning. You don't need to hide who they are from the world that will twist them and warp their minds.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:56 am
Jaft What these parents are doing fall under the definition of experiment, just not necessarily in the scientific sense, but it would be useful for studies and research papers. Once again, just because something isn't the norm doesn't mean it is an experiment. This situation has nothing in common with an experiment. The child is not being monitored, studied by researchers, compared to a control child, raised in a lab, kept completely out of society, or anything else that would be done if this were actually an experiment.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:57 am
God-Raped-Me Kids will find themselves regardless, that's how we all grow up and it's a part of learning. You don't need to hide who they are from the world that will twist them and warp their minds. You don't think it twists and warps their little minds to hear people say, "You can't play with that, that's for boys"?
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:57 am
it makes no difference, what they are doing is a nuicense and a waste of time.
This whole deal with same sex is annoying me more now when people are trying to be clever about it, then when people were retards about it.
Females and Males are different, and raised exactly the same will still be different, our hormones and biological differences ensure this. Humans as a species is varied and different as well, black people are different from white bla di ******** bla.
people are always going to judge you for something, if it isn't the sex/gender then it'll be something else, its human nature.
yeah people need to treat others equally, but not by remaining ignorant.
In other words, the parents are being retards, and this is either going to ******** up the kid, be forgotten or be an interesting story for Pop to tell others in later ages.
Edit: @Lorien
Sure it does, the same as "you can't play with that its for girls".
people are often buzy being "Socially accepted" and including the kids as the view of themselves (the parents that is).
The parents feel their kid shouldn't play with it, its how we raise our kids to have standards and opinions. we need standards to function.
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Jafthasleftthebuilding Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:59 am
LorienLlewellyn Jaft What these parents are doing fall under the definition of experiment, just not necessarily in the scientific sense, but it would be useful for studies and research papers. Once again, just because something isn't the norm doesn't mean it is an experiment. This situation has nothing in common with an experiment. The child is not being monitored, studied by researchers, compared to a control child, raised in a lab, kept completely out of society, or anything else that would be done if this were actually an experiment. Definition I'm talking about: An innovative act or procedure.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:00 am
LorienLlewellyn God-Raped-Me Kids will find themselves regardless, that's how we all grow up and it's a part of learning. You don't need to hide who they are from the world that will twist them and warp their minds. You don't think it twists and warps their little minds to hear people say, "You can't play with that, that's for boys"? No it doesn't. If it did almost everyone alive right now would be twisted and warped... and they're not.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:00 am
Here's an idea: Let's just rename this "The Narrow Minded Hillbilly Guild." rolleyes I'm done.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:05 am
This is one of the farthest guilds from that! The people in this guild have the capability of thinking of what something like that could do to the child's mental state later on in the future. Sure it's one thing to step out of the box with kids and how you raise them, but you don't need to do something around others that will segregate that kid from the rest of the kids. That will happen on it's own and the parents are just making it easier now.
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Jafthasleftthebuilding Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:05 am
You know, gender expectations have already changed so much in the U.S. Whoah! Women wearing pants? Women voting? Women going to school? Women going to work? Women doing a man's job? And I point specifically to the WWII factory workers. Why not change the gender expectations that society has? Why do it through raising your child in this way.
I prefer changing society. It'll be slow and difficult. You can see that as we still don't have an equal protection amendment for women, but I have no doubt it'll be passed eventually.
If you disagree with society, then try and change it for the better, don't resort to raising your children in a more difficult manner.
And cut it out with the name calling.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:09 am
I still see this as a needless thing but I'm going to keep reading this.
I also I have one last comment to make for now.
Every waking moment of life influences you who are in every aspect of your being so yes "society will shape who we are to the extreme that it does" because that is how living works.
And now I will go follow something I just learned to put more value in today, shut up and listen. ( I may yet make a thread about it after I do)
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:53 am
LorienLlewellyn Here's an idea: Let's just rename this "The Narrow Minded Hillbilly Guild." rolleyes I'm done.
In short, don't get butthurt just because you can't get everyone over to your side >.>
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:05 am
invisible-weirdo LorienLlewellyn Here's an idea: Let's just rename this "The Narrow Minded Hillbilly Guild." rolleyes I'm done.
In short, don't get butthurt just because you can't get everyone over to your side >.>+1 Not all of us are as understanding with these kinds of issues.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:06 am
Hahaha you said butthurt! That's awesome! rofl
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