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 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:42 pm
Sailor Jerry Okay, tis always good to be on the same side :3 I was just confused as to why the complex/fetish was brought up in the first place. This is a fashion forum, and the two really aren't related. 
Clothes can be a fetish too.
Also that the word Lolita is a very BIG fetish
About underaged girls. That's all. and now i'm
being accused of not knowing what Lolita (fashion) is.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:45 pm
Amanikitty Sailor Jerry Okay, tis always good to be on the same side :3 I was just confused as to why the complex/fetish was brought up in the first place. This is a fashion forum, and the two really aren't related.
Apparently we're supposed to feel sexy in our outfits to feel good.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
Felling sexy doesn't have to be sexual. you can check the dictonary for yourself: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sexy
Also I look on LJ like you said and found this: http://lolita-handbook.livejournal.com/3431.html#cutid1
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:49 pm
muninn Amanikitty Sailor Jerry Okay, tis always good to be on the same side :3 I was just confused as to why the complex/fetish was brought up in the first place. This is a fashion forum, and the two really aren't related.
Apparently we're supposed to feel sexy in our outfits to feel good.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
Felling sexy doesn't have to be sexual. you can check the dictonary for yourself: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sexy
Also I look on LJ like you said and found this: http://lolita-handbook.livejournal.com/3431.html#cutid1
The Lolita Handbook is in the middle of being re-vamped, if you didn't notice. And "sexy" is not the word for Lolita fashion, obviously. Otherwise the conversation wouldn't have gotten serious.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:52 pm
Amanikitty muninn Amanikitty Sailor Jerry Okay, tis always good to be on the same side :3 I was just confused as to why the complex/fetish was brought up in the first place. This is a fashion forum, and the two really aren't related.
Apparently we're supposed to feel sexy in our outfits to feel good.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
Felling sexy doesn't have to be sexual. you can check the dictonary for yourself: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sexy
Also I look on LJ like you said and found this: http://lolita-handbook.livejournal.com/3431.html#cutid1
The Lolita Handbook is in the middle of being re-vamped, if you didn't notice.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
I did notice. But it was written
at some point or another it even has it's on headding
indicating that it is important.
Look i'm not saying that Lolita (fashion) is a
fetish for most of the wearers i'm just saying
that Lolita is a fetish.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:55 pm
No one is denying that a fetish for sexually promiscuous adolescent girls is refered to as a Lolita Complex.
But that's the western definition. The fashion is the eastern definition. That's why they're such seperate entities. The simply aren't connected.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:56 pm
muninn Amanikitty muninn Amanikitty Sailor Jerry Okay, tis always good to be on the same side :3 I was just confused as to why the complex/fetish was brought up in the first place. This is a fashion forum, and the two really aren't related.
Apparently we're supposed to feel sexy in our outfits to feel good.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
Felling sexy doesn't have to be sexual. you can check the dictonary for yourself: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sexy
Also I look on LJ like you said and found this: http://lolita-handbook.livejournal.com/3431.html#cutid1
The Lolita Handbook is in the middle of being re-vamped, if you didn't notice.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
I did notice. But it was written
at some point or another it even has it's on headding
indicating that it is important.
Look i'm not saying that Lolita (fashion) is a
fetish for most of the wearers i'm just saying
that Lolita is a fetish.
We're talking about the Fashion. Not whatever else you're talking about.
And no, it's really not important. That's why it's getting removed.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:02 pm
The reason most people resist having lolita fashion linked with lolita fetish/complex and the like is because it links them to ***** and less-than-pleasant connotations in the west. Really, really not pleasant. I mean, even in Japan "loli-con" is about having sex with little girls, not sex with girls wearing lolita. There is lolita porn, sure, but it usually goes under the cosplay sex section from what I've seen, which is much less weirder than the almost-***** section. Anyway.
It's also not a straight thing, either. It doesn't go across the board saying all lolitas find their clothes to be non-sexy, just like it doesn't go across the board saying all lolitas find their clothes sexy. I don't. Most that I talk to don't. My boyfriend doesn't. My mom does. It depends on who you ask and what they have been introduced to as to the term.
To be honest, this discussion is getting really stupid, though. =/
So let's end it and agree to disagree:
muninn feels sexy in her lolita.
Amani, Jerry and I don't. There we go.
... now back to the White Peacock and all that horrid lace ... <_<
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:03 pm
Amanikitty muninn Amanikitty muninn Amanikitty Sailor Jerry Okay, tis always good to be on the same side :3 I was just confused as to why the complex/fetish was brought up in the first place. This is a fashion forum, and the two really aren't related.
Apparently we're supposed to feel sexy in our outfits to feel good.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
Felling sexy doesn't have to be sexual. you can check the dictonary for yourself: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sexy
Also I look on LJ like you said and found this: http://lolita-handbook.livejournal.com/3431.html#cutid1
The Lolita Handbook is in the middle of being re-vamped, if you didn't notice.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
I did notice. But it was written
at some point or another it even has it's on headding
indicating that it is important.
Look i'm not saying that Lolita (fashion) is a
fetish for most of the wearers i'm just saying
that Lolita is a fetish.
We're talking about the Fashion. Not whatever else you're talking about.
And no, it's really not important. That's why it's getting removed.
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.- I agree with Amani, the Lolita Handbook is being revamped and even though it was good before now it will be more concise and clear. Hopefully now people like you won't interpret Lolita into whatever you deem is what you "read" from somewhere. Like I said before, for someone opening their own Lolita line you speak like you have no knowledge of Lolita what so ever. I pity the poor soul that buys from someone who states that they wear Lolita old school as in short skirts. FYI Lolita never incorporates short skirts unless it's in Ero-Lolita so ya good look with that one.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:03 pm
Lolita is a fetish, huh? rofl
I suppose I'll just throw on my best btssb garments and go work the corner then? That'll rake in some cash. biggrin biggrin
Okay, seriously now.
Lolita isn't a fetish. It's a fashion. A FASHION. FASSSSHIIIIOOOOON. Now let that echo in the little nut on your neck for awhile. Lolita was a term coined YEARRRRRRRRRRS back before Humbert was even fantasizing about Dolores. Mkay? Lolita is a fashion just like any other fashion. Lolita is a book by some Russian man. Lolita the book is a fetish. Lolita the fashion is not.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:05 pm
boconnotto The reason most people resist having lolita fashion linked with lolita fetish/complex and the like is because it links them to ***** and less-than-pleasant connotations in the west. Really, really not pleasant. I mean, even in Japan "loli-con" is about having sex with little girls, not sex with girls wearing lolita. There is lolita porn, sure, but it usually goes under the cosplay sex section from what I've seen, which is much less weirder than the almost-***** section. Anyway.
It's also not a straight thing, either. It doesn't go across the board saying all lolitas find their clothes to be non-sexy, just like it doesn't go across the board saying all lolitas find their clothes sexy. I don't. Most that I talk to don't. My boyfriend doesn't. My mom does. It depends on who you ask and what they have been introduced to as to the term.
To be honest, this discussion is getting really stupid, though. =/
So let's end it and agree to disagree:
muninn feels sexy in her lolita.
Amani, Jerry and I don't. There we go.
... now back to the White Peacock and all that horrid lace ... <_<
NO
ANYTHING BUT THE HORRID LACE, BBY ;_____;
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.-
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:07 pm
Amanikitty boconnotto The reason most people resist having lolita fashion linked with lolita fetish/complex and the like is because it links them to ***** and less-than-pleasant connotations in the west. Really, really not pleasant. I mean, even in Japan "loli-con" is about having sex with little girls, not sex with girls wearing lolita. There is lolita porn, sure, but it usually goes under the cosplay sex section from what I've seen, which is much less weirder than the almost-***** section. Anyway.
It's also not a straight thing, either. It doesn't go across the board saying all lolitas find their clothes to be non-sexy, just like it doesn't go across the board saying all lolitas find their clothes sexy. I don't. Most that I talk to don't. My boyfriend doesn't. My mom does. It depends on who you ask and what they have been introduced to as to the term.
To be honest, this discussion is getting really stupid, though. =/
So let's end it and agree to disagree:
muninn feels sexy in her lolita.
Amani, Jerry and I don't. There we go.
... now back to the White Peacock and all that horrid lace ... <_<
NO
ANYTHING BUT THE HORRID LACE, BBY ;_____;
-...quand le soleil sera couché dans ton âme froide.- I'LL GET THE KILLITWITHFIRE GUN. gonk
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:07 pm
Lunastasia Lolita is a fetish, huh? rofl I suppose I'll just throw on my best btssb garments and go work the corner then? That'll rake in some cash. biggrin biggrin Okay, seriously now. Lolita isn't a fetish. It's a fashion. A FASHION. FASSSSHIIIIOOOOON. Now let that echo in the little nut on your neck for awhile. Lolita was a term coined YEARRRRRRRRRRS back before Humbert was even fantasizing about Dolores. Mkay? Lolita is a fashion just like any other fashion. Lolita is a book by some deranged Russian man. Lolita the book is a fetish. Lolita the fashion is not. Hey, just because Nabokov's book makes for some etymological controversies, doesn't mean he was deranged. Lolita is an incredible book.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:08 pm
I think she meant the character, not the author. She edited the post. ^^;
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:09 pm
Sailor Jerry Lunastasia Lolita is a fetish, huh? rofl I suppose I'll just throw on my best btssb garments and go work the corner then? That'll rake in some cash. biggrin biggrin Okay, seriously now. Lolita isn't a fetish. It's a fashion. A FASHION. FASSSSHIIIIOOOOON. Now let that echo in the little nut on your neck for awhile. Lolita was a term coined YEARRRRRRRRRRS back before Humbert was even fantasizing about Dolores. Mkay? Lolita is a fashion just like any other fashion. Lolita is a book by some deranged Russian man. Lolita the book is a fetish. Lolita the fashion is not. Hey, just because Nabokov's book makes for some etymological controversies, doesn't mean he was deranged. Lolita is an incredible book. lol typo.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:10 pm
Ah, then I shall get down off my high horse.
*climbs off horsey*
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