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 Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:56 pm
i've been thinking,do honostly think i'm gonna believe you because i honostly think you wont believe me,so what are we gonna do keep arguing even though niether of us is gonna win,i'll leave mt other topic open for others to debate in but i realize now there's no use since there is no absolute evedince to obliterate both of our opinions,not to mention weve effectivly ran every one else out of the thread
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:04 pm
This isn't some RP chat or whatever, people don't run from the first sign of drama. Also, it's a lot slower moving.
CM - Chill out, seriously. You're getting really heated in debates that you don't have a lot of background in, and I can understand that it's frustrating. Take your time to formulate your thoughts and put them into words. It's very difficult to take you seriously when we have a tough time just trying to figure out what you're saying. English, my friend, learn to speak it.
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:50 pm
wellf irst you should lesrn to read english(above post)yes sometimes i get frusterated and as for unning i just see no point in desscuing this ant further,do you think i'm gonna convince her,honostly i dont(not meant as insult)and i know she's not gonna convince me otherwise of what i currently believe.also it seems we've ran everyone out og the thread which seems a little unfair if you ask me.i'm just stating the fact that there's no use carrying on since there's no way to win an argument such as this.and where have i been heated,note that you may be reading my words but tone is also something you may want to take into account,you cant tell that through words only sound.
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:14 pm
I am quite well-read, thank you very much. There's no need to get defensive, I'm merely helping you express yourself more clearly.
The point of this forum is to discuss, so there will always be a point to discussing. If we follow your logic, there's no point in discussing anything, because no two people will ever have the exact same set of experiences, and therefore will never be able to come to a verified conclusion. This is, of course, pure folly. Even if you don't think she'll change her mind, that's not the point. The point is to provide arguments and rebuttals against points brought up by your opponents to demonstrate your superior skill and knowledge. If you can succeed in this, than you have done well as a debater, regardless of whether or not your opponent believes you.
This is evident in the "evolution" thread you created, as points have been brought up which shake your arguments, but you have yet to address them. It seems as though whenever a debate starts heading against your favor, you rely on the bit that "nothing can be decided, and no one will be convinced." This is both unnecessary and unproductive, as neither are the purposes for this forum. I suppose one could say that the purposes of this forum are two-fold: first, to provide a space for intelligent discussion on topics that most would either find uninteresting or too difficult to follow; and second, to demonstrate our skills in rhetoric and debate by defending points we are familiar with and passionate about, as compared to debate competitions where participants are sometimes required to argue for points of view they agree with.
I do hope you learn something while you're here, friend, or else I fear you may turn out to be a lost cause.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:37 pm
you still didnt answer how i'm heated in my discusions but you do raise good point's here but when a disscusion gets old or you dont have time to disscus because of other things how do you get out of it,i argue theses points,add probely more then my two cents and would at least like to see that i'm not the only one debating for my side of the debate.i'm not saying people should agree for me but if you think there is a god and see someone saying otherwise too your beliefes you should at least stand and let it be known where you stand in this subject and not just whatch as people down grade not only your religion and way of life but your god as well.i cant speak for you all but i live in america and i believe that of someone insults my god such as is in this post then i should stand up.can make people believe me,no.will i be able to shove undeniable proof in there faces,since there are people from all around the world on this ite,no.i stand for what i believe,not for what someone who decides there gonna take a wak at arguing religion thinks,and i'm sure as hell not gonna stand by while my religion gets bad talked and no one is even arguing against it.this is what i belive and is how i live,if you dopnt like it too bad cause i'm in america and according to the ten amendments i can do whatever i want when it comes to this.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:08 pm
cmcconnell95 you still didnt answer how i'm heated in my discusions but you do raise good point's here but when a disscusion gets old or you dont have time to disscus because of other things how do you get out of it,i argue theses points,add probely more then my two cents and would at least like to see that i'm not the only one debating for my side of the debate.i'm not saying people should agree for me but if you think there is a god and see someone saying otherwise too your beliefes you should at least stand and let it be known where you stand in this subject and not just whatch as people down grade not only your religion and way of life but your god as well.i cant speak for you all but i live in america and i believe that of someone insults my god such as is in this post then i should stand up.can make people believe me,no.will i be able to shove undeniable proof in there faces,since there are people from all around the world on this ite,no.i stand for what i believe,not for what someone who decides there gonna take a wak at arguing religion thinks,and i'm sure as hell not gonna stand by while my religion gets bad talked and no one is even arguing against it.this is what i belive and is how i live,if you dopnt like it too bad cause i'm in america and according to the ten amendments i can do whatever i want when it comes to this. that's the thing.. I dont see where anyone here put either you or your god down. not even your religion. the thread is about one aspect of christian belief, not christianity as a whole. I've questioned your logic, but I've not insulted you or your beliefs. and my intention was never to convince you of anything or sway you from your beliefs. this all goes for both this and the evolution thread. If anything, you've been the one who's been insulting in both cases. it seems to me that dboyzero has a point where you'll only argue up to the point when your theories or opinions are shaken and cant be stilled. that's fine, whatever. but this is a public forum, so if you cant take a little criticism then perhaps you should stay away from those topics you're particularly sensitive about. just a thought... oh yes.. and if you dont have the time to follow thru with arguments that you yourself started (arguments as in debate topics) then perhaps you shouldnt have started those threads to begin with.
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:34 pm
well i really dont expect it to be a two way topic either,also sorry i havent been on this guild a lot,you know with the holidays and rping sometimes it slips my mind sweatdrop .where have i insulted people,answer this and leave it at rest.it's not just religion,it's god.people bad talking my god.if someone bad talked your favoriet band or a relitive would you just stand by first reaction,would you not think for a moment to stick up for that person or group.same thing with my god,i aint gonna let it go.a lot of people think they have it all figured out,where as they havent even allowed the other side to state to them personally before claiming they know what's what.anyways we are getting off topic,not trying to weasel way out of but just pointing out.
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:37 pm
I'm going to say it again, in big letters so you can read. Do it slow, or you might hurt yourself. NO ONE IS INSULTING YOUR GOD. And if you're equating someone insulting your deity with someone insulting your favorite band, you have some serious growing up to do. What people are doing, and therefore making you upset, is questioning your belief system. NOT the same as insulting (or bad-mouthing) your god. This is a forum for debate and discussion, so there are going to be times when your assumptions will be questioned. Suck it up, grow a pair, AND DEAL WITH IT. The whole point of debate is to question the other side, otherwise we wouldn't be here in the first place. Listen, I think it's great that your so gung-ho about your religion and your beliefs and all that, I really am. Being a passionate and enthusiastic kind of guy myself, I like it when people stand up for what they believe in. HOWEVER, there is a difference between standing up for what you believe in and just spouting off nonsense about what you believe in. If you are convinced of your position still, analyze the arguments that have been made against your position and exploit their weaknesses. Question us, our beliefs, and our assumptions. Do that well, and you'll know what it means to really defend your position.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:51 am
The Will of God is what happens in life, Free will is what we choose to do....and not everything that we do is what God would do....
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:26 pm
I believe that while God has a plan for our lives it is what He would like us to do and we have the free will to follow it or not even when we don't know what's the plan for our lives God left us his word(The Bible) as directions to find out what his plans are. And if your confused about what to do Jesus simplified the instructions when he was asked which was the most important comandment He answerd that to love the lord your god with all your heart all your mind and all your soul and love your neighbor(evryone) as your self were the most important
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:27 pm
cmcconnell95 unrequietedCat I got to thinking a few days ago (always a rather dangerous passtime) and it has occured to me that "Free Will" and "God's Perfect Plan" negate each other. Now before someone starts getting all angry and high and mighty on me just hear me out..... If i remember the years of christian private schooling I endured in my younger years I'm pretty sure i can say that most TRADITIONAL Christians accept that humans have free will and that God has a perfect plan for everyone. Now, how can we have free will if there is a perfect plan in place? After all, a perfect plan would be one that never needed to be changed or or reworked. As such, we can only choose the path that would fit into God's perfect plan, right? I mean, how perfect is a plan that you have to keep redrafting just because some pesky human made a choice different from the one in the plan. So Every choice made would have to be the one you HAD to make, other wise the perfect plan crumbles. Now, I only recall ONE instance where freewill is given a SPECIFIC mention in the Bible. This is to describe the fundamental difference between humans and animals (basically, humans have the freewill to accept or deny God whereas animals have no choice but to love Him). The Bible never says we have freewill over anything else. So, logically it would follow that all those evil people would not really be evil, they were merely fulfilling this so called perfect plan and carrying out the will of God (weather they wanted to or not). Hitler: God's Will. Ghandi: God's will. Charles Manson: God's Will. Abortion Doctors: God's Will. Unless of course there is no "perfect plan", then that would mean that we DO have free will, in wich case there is no plan and the world is ruled by fate and our decisions. Now, before you all begin commenting and whatnot, let me just remind you it is not my intent to insult anyone. I'm simply interested in your response. 3nodding ok god has a plan for the world as in he plans the weather and stuff like that,he makes events possible but we have to carry them through.as for animals,they have no souls,minds yes souls no and there minds arnt developed enough to actually choose something that complex much less understand it. Unless you can clearly define what a soul is you can not claim that animals are void of one. As far as I know we currently have no way to define precisley what a soul is and therefore can not say who or what is or is not in posession of one. Also, my dog continually makes his own dicisions everyday. They may not be earth shattering decisions of genius proportions, but he certianly chooses to run the opposite direction when I call his name, or to stubburnly continue running about like a maniac when I tell him to sit, or to eat when he's hungry, or drink when he's thirsty. He decides to sit in front of the window and bark at squirrels instead of actually going outside and chasing them. Animals are capable of decisions. They just aren't capable of the same magnitude of decision making we as humans are. Also, I don't believe I ever recall there being a specific passage in the Bible that says "animals have no souls" in any way, shape or form. So unless you can give me a specific passage of the Bible that clearly states animals are souless this is nothing more than your personal dogma or the dogma that you have been previously spoon fed at some point in your life. And by show me specifically in the Bible I mean give me a book,chapter,and verse so that I can look at it myself.
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:33 am
god is whoever you make him/her out to be. Everything that takes place in your life is of your own choosing.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:45 pm
so, believe whatever you wanna believe its all the same.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:14 pm
first and foremost i am not mad at you you do state a valid point but here how it is God knows what your going to do in advance but he lets you make this dission by yourself and he lets you do that
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:15 pm
God's ways are not our ways
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