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Le Pale to the Chief
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:04 am


It is written in the Word of God, that Jesus will ascend from the clouds and gather up His people in the sky. Biblically this means, "Rapture of His Church," but the word Rapture isn't used even though, it was given a name. People choose not to believe in the Rapture because of their lack of faith. Walk by faith not by sight. It's believing and not seeing. smile
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:21 am


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It is written in the Word of God, that Jesus will ascend from the clouds and gather up His people in the sky. Biblically this means, "Rapture of His Church," but the word Rapture isn't used even though, it was given a name. People choose not to believe in the Rapture because of their lack of faith. Walk by faith not by sight. It's believing and not seeing. smile


In my opinion, it means after the Tribulation. May I have some verses from you that specifically talk about the Rapture, please? Where is it written? (I'm a Lutheran Christian, and Lutherans don't believe in the Rapture. We follow the Bible closely and teach directly from the Bible, not something spoken out of Man's mouth. We Lutherans believe the Rapture is Man's Doctrine and not God's Doctrine. Something the prophet Ezekiel warned us about: not to believe in things that are not according to the Scriptures. The Bibles in our church consist of the King James Bible, NIV, etc.)

Besides, if there was to be a Rapture, then all the Christians would feel "safe" because they wouldn't have anything to do with it and not have to prepare spiritually, mentally, and physically for the Great Tribulation soon to come. Because you refuse to prepare for something akin to the horrific Holocaust except like 10 times worse and against Christians, you're in for a huge blow. If the Rapture never happened, and the Tribulation loomed upon us, many many "close-to-God" Christians will surprisingly turn away from God, thinking the true way of life is a hoax just because the Rapture had not happened. Just a warning. If there was no Rapture, then the Tribulation would be a great chance to prove that you are faithful and a strong warrior of the Lord, fighting for Him to the point of death.

"Because narrow is the gate
and difficult is the way
which leads to life (in Heaven),
and there are few who find it.
~Matthew 7:14


Our faith will be sorely tested with suffering and sorrow during this life. I assure you, you will have a lot of pressure on you in the Great Tribulation. Our purpose of the Lord is to serve Him. If you have never been persecuted as a Christian, then something's missing. All Christians are persecuted some time in their lives (I'm 17 but have been persecuted immensely already). The Rapture kind of makes me think it's an excuse to avoid the horrors you will sooner or later have to face, a false sense of peace. (I'm sorry I don't mean to be rude, but I am a rather straightforward person trying to make my point. Please excuse me for it) The Tribulation is a test to see who the real Christians are. Many who currently say, "I love the Lord!" will betray Him later just like Judas betrayed Jesus before the crucifixion. Judas had absolutely no idea he was going to betray Jesus, and you have no idea either. Unfortunately, many Christians are going to play the role of Judas.

If you look in Revelations, you will notice that the Bible is warning you about the Mark of the Beast, something you will have to endure through these hardships among the ever-growing wicked, whether you like it or not. If you were to be Raptured, then there would be no need to warn us at all of The Mark of the Beast because "it doesn't have anything to do with us 'perfect Christians'". *Ahem* Remember the parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector! The Pharisee was like, "Oh Lord! I'm so glad I'm not like this sinful tax collector!" Talk about arrogance! However, the tax collector prayed something like, "Lord, I am a dirty sinner, and I don't deserve your mercy." See? He was humble. And so, the Lord gave the tax collector tremendous amounts of love and mercy that was undeserved! Because the Lord is a merciful Forgiver. (parable spoken in my own words) Anyway, back to the subject of Revelation's warning. For example, these verses are a warning:

A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
~Revelation 14:9-12


Read this quote again:
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This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
Look at this. It basically says, "Christians! You will need to patiently endure it and remain faithful!" It is very likely we will have to endure the Tribulation, not be Raptured. This is a test to see who remains faithful.

One of the Illuminati's many goals is to eradicate Christianity from the face of the earth and instill a new religion that worships Satan and the Beast. Apparently, there will be a lot of Christians "left behind" if that is one of the Illuminati's plans (mass genocide to maintain balance between the population of humans and nature; about 500,000,000 or less will be spared out of 7 billion people today according to the Georgia Guidestones)

You may have to review your Matthew and Revelation chapters again >.< because I keep finding verses that contradict the existence of a Rapture occurring. We all know (us Christians) that the Bible has NO contradictions whatsoever. So this cannot be possible. Dude, like, read your Bible! We need to know and understand the Word of God and not by false teachings as warned in Ezekiel. No matter how popular the belief, absolutely DO NOT believe without confirming with the Bible first! And yes, this includes the popular belief of the Rapture!

"“Do not follow the crowd in doing wrong. When you give testimony in a lawsuit, do not pervert justice by siding with the crowd,"
~Exodus 23:2


"So it will be at the end of the Age.
The angels will come forth,
separate the wicked from among the just,
and cast them into the furnace of fire.
There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
~Matthew 13:49-50


The verses above talk about the end of the Age "Judgement Day", because it is the separation of the wicked (nonbelievers and blasphemers) from among the just (believers). This verse reminds me of the parable Jesus told in Matthew 13:24-30, explaining Judgement Day because at the end of time, the believers will be harvested and the nonbelievers burned like weeds. Note that Jesus said specifically to gather the weeds and burn them before bringing the wheat into the barn (Heaven). The Rapture cannot possibly happen according to the Scriptures (it's impossible!) because that would be bringing the wheat in first when it was not spoken by Jesus in that order of what is to come.

The Parable of the Weeds

Matthew 13:24-30
Another parable he put before them, saying, The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field;
but while men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.
So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also.
And the servants of the householder came and said to him, `Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then has it weeds?'
He said to them, `An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, `Then do you want us to go and gather them?'
But he said, `No; lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them.
Let both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'"


Matthew 13:36-43
Then he left the crowds and went into the house. And his disciples came to him, saying, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field."
He answered, He who sows the good seed is the Son of man;
the field is the world, and the good seed means the sons of the kingdom, the weeds are the sons of the evil one.
and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels.
Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age.
The Son of man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers,
and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.
Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.


If I had offended anyone, I am truly sorry because I am simply a direct person. I don't use the time to make things sound sweet, just give people raw facts straight out of my mouth. I know many people believe in the Rapture, but that doesn't mean the Christians who don't believe in the Rapture are not truly faithful. That in itself is a passive aggressive offense... You saying
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People choose not to believe in the Rapture because of their lack of faith. Walk by faith not by sight. It's believing and not seeing. smile
is a heavy blow to my heart (hopefully unintentionally) because you're technically insulting me. The smiley face emote at the end of your quote does not help soften the insult at all. Because I don't believe in the Rapture does not mean I am against God or anything of that nonsense. You forget that Christians, no matter what else they believe, if they believe Christ had died to save their sins on the cross, then you are automatically a Christian! This is what Christianity is all about (originally anyway): the belief that Christ died for you. Whoever believes that does not have a lack of faith.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:01 am


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I don't think we have to worry just yet. If what I've read is correct, the real decision between death and life with the Lord will occur during the Great Tribulation. People will be fully aware of the decision they make as well. It won't be some, "Oh no! You being for real? I didn't know I sentenced myself to eternal damnation gonk "
What is troublesome is that this just furthers my assurance that the Lord is coming. I heard of a little boy (author of Heaven is For Real), that said his father will fight in Armageddon. To me this could mean a couple of things. He will die or be Raptured, and will come down when the Christ comes, or the End Times a far closer than we can imagine, and within his father's life span, we will experience the Great Tribulation. (run-on sentences ftw)

Of course this is pure speculation, but what are your thoughts?


I'm getting this book for Christmas ^.^ I already know the main points of it because there's a website with this story on it, but now I want to read the book because it will provide more detail. From what I remember, Colton never mentioned anything about a Rapture, only about the future and Armageddon that his dad (a priest) will be fighting in for God. If that will be the case, I can't even begin to understand why so many believe in the Rapture. It's like everybody wants to instantly believe in being saved so they wouldn't have to go through the Tribulation because they're terrified of the thought of something so horrible.

The Rapture is not mentioned in the Bible from what I had to spell out in my previous post (above this one). I just think everyone needs to suck up to it and prepare (most importantly) spiritually (to build up resistance against the dark forces and the occult) as well as physically and mentally (because the strong-willed and physically strong people tend to last longer in survival. The Tribulation will be mentally traumatic)

Well, if you interview an elderly Jew, they may (or may not) tell you about their living nightmare in the Holocaust. I have a friend who's Jewish, and no matter how many times he tries to ask his grandparents about the Holocaust, they wouldn't speak of it. They just don't want to relieve the memories of the past. I guess it's the same way with Rapture-believing Christians: they don't want to think about the future. Now, I may be wrong in my assumptions, but this is simply a guess.

Here's the link to one of the websites mentioning Colton. I can't find the original website I was looking at a long time ago, but this will do.
Armageddon - Is it Coming in Our Lifetime?
Hey wait, I found this article.
Colton Burpo Interview

Oh oh wait! Yay, I found it! I found the website I couldn't find earlier!
Dad Will Fight in Armageddon
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:37 am


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RFID chip, Radio frequency identification chip. This allows the government to control your life basically and track you around the world. This chip can hold your social security, bank number, etc and total control over your life and if you don't obey the system they can turn your chip off controlling the masses and no one will be able to stand against government and you become slaves. This is the start of the one world currency system and they are also trying to push towards a one world religion worshiping one God and waiting for the anti Christ to come on the seen and say worship me or you cannot buy or sell unless you get my number 666 in the hand or the forehead.


Keep in mine if you get that mark you will be in firing range of God's wrath for all eternity when the anti Christ arrive on the seen at some point in the future

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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 12:15 pm


May our Heavenly Father keep us safe and keep us from taking the mark of the beast. I so desperately want there to be a pre-trib rapture, but if not, may YHWH stenghthen us all so we don't compromise his commands during the tribulation; may he strengthen us to choose death over disloyalty.
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 4:12 pm


Yep. Anyone who refuses the chip cannot buy, sell, trade goods.

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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:58 pm


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Yep. Anyone who refuses the chip cannot buy, sell, trade goods.


Its mark, its just that RFID chip sound pretty close to scripture is what Im basically saying
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:19 pm


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCVVUuvXOoc&feature=related

When they start implanting baby's they are going to have a dose of cyanide in them...


It will not be to long when government put those terrorist RFID chips into people world wide, they actually believe we will trust the media and its ran by the same corruption people behind the desks in the dark

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:51 pm


Those RFID Chips will probably be here sometime soon, that seems to be the way things are headed.
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