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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:54 pm
Dramatica Angeliqua Also, in 1995, angels were recorded singing in a Chinese church in the Chinese language, warning about the End Times. Translated in English, their song is listed on this website: Angels in a Chinese ChurchThe angels in the Chinese church is also listed in this website: Angels SingingTranslated in English: "The End is Near: Rescue Souls" 1. The famine is becoming more and more critical. There are more and more earthquakes. The situation is becoming more and more sinister. People are fighting against each other, nation against nation. Disasters are more and more severe.
2. The whole environment is deteriorating. Disasters are more and more severe. People's hearts are wicked, and they do not worship the true God. Disasters are more and more severe.
3. Floods and droughts are more and more frequent. There is more and more homosexuality and incurable diseases. Disasters are more and more severe.
4. The climates are becoming more and more abnormal. The earth is more and more restless. The skies have been broken. The atmosphere is distorted. Disasters are more and more severe.
Chorus: The end is near. The revelation of love has been manifested. Rise up, rise up, rescue souls. The end is near. Rise up, rise up, rescue souls.P.S. I believe the Anti-Christ is alive today but that he hasn't been empowered yet. It's just a simple theory of mine that the Anti-Christ will make himself known on 12/21/12. I don't believe the end of the world being on 2012, but I have a feeling some event will happen on that day on 11:11 a.m. Besides, when the angels sing "The skies have been broken. The atmosphere is distorted," it makes me picture the chemtrails in the sky that we see nearly every day all over the world. If you don't know what I'm talking about, chemtrails are like the contrails made by airplanes but usually crisscross like X's and grids in the sky and that they don't fade away like contrails do but remain in the sky, spreading, forming artificial clouds. What Are Chemtrails? The fact that the government denies its existence despite the fact we can see it nearly every day (and night by moonlight) is pretty suspicious. Many believe chemtrails to be harmful to the human body, to slowly kill us off to balance the human population and nature. In the Georgia Guidestones, the Illuminati said they plan to depopulate our world to about 500,000,000 (5 million). Currently, we have a population of about 7 billion people. It's pretty scary when you think about it; mass genocide to destroy much of mankind. The fact that the Illuminati is now widely known among our people (where the Anti-Christ and the Mark of the Beast could appear from because the Illuminati is the top 1% wealthiest group of people who are involved in devil worshipping. Their numbers are 11, 13, and 666. They want a New World Order and One World Government) is not good according to their standards, so they are becoming more active in this world to prevent further information from leaking out. I wouldn't be surprised if the Illuminati manages to get everyone to have the microchip in either their right hands or foreheads by 2017 (except for those who refuse and will be getting tortured and killed). Many people have been talking about it soon being the law in 2017 for everyone to get these microchips (the Mark of the Beast). It will become the law. It will be our jobs as Christians to remain strong and refuse these Satanic mind-controlling technology. Hun trust me the top 1% don't want a new goverment, they love it the way it is. They're the top 1% in this goverment. And devil worship yawwwn, you know who does devil worship, angry teenagers trying to freak out their parents (still got some crosses and pentagrams from that era of my life- great for halloween), but honestly satan worship isn't anything more than a very fun and sucessfull attempt to freak out old people and devaut believers. Yeah the chips maybe coming, honestly a great idea no more losing my vallet. But what do you really think the devil will accomplish by making chips? making our lives easier? put pickpockets out of buissines? we are all alredy registerd somewhere. Hell if you're baptised you're in church archives, and you can't get out of that, you can always pull the chip out. Mind control watch much of sci fy channel lately? tho I guess it is possible on some level we're all aware of the stockholm syndrome, or how heavy indoctrination can make you completely unable to be reasoned with. and about those croses in the sky, airplanes use fuel, what you are seeing is exaust. Just like cars only a lot more... and you're right it is toxic, such is the price of high speed travel. Keep an open mind and don't worry about satanic cults. happy end of the world
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:47 pm
Pimpledrip Yo Socika here some idiot banned my main acc. So anyway like I said people have been expecting the end of the world just about every year, oddly enough only a handfull of those rummors made it to europe. Guess god prefers america (more believers, more crime, less ediucation,,,) As far as your miracle healing goes, I got scratched by a cat last week, and it's almost faded (thank prometheus for giving people the ability to heal) And the dreams... well people dream about alien obductions too, and i'm sure muslims and hindus have spiritual dreams as well. You could try theraphy or meds, if you're having these big nightmares. But what's actually happening in 2012 is that the earth is alining with the center of our galaxy (if you believe that galaxies actually exist) which is a black hole (or satans vortex of evil). Happy new year P.S. Will you stop believing if we make it to 2013? Or will you just wait for the next end of the world? I'm really wondering if you actually read what I said. What you've replied back is pretty rude, which makes me think you aren't sensitive to other's feelings. Yes, I believe galaxies and black holes exist. I'm actually fascinated with outer space and did a ton of research on black holes when I was in 4th grade for the fun of if. And no, I don't believe the end of the world is 2012-13. I would appreciate it if you stopped assuming wrong things right off the bat. >.<
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:52 pm
Pimpledrip Hun trust me the top 1% don't want a new goverment, they love it the way it is. They're the top 1% in this goverment. And devil worship yawwwn, you know who does devil worship, angry teenagers trying to freak out their parents (still got some crosses and pentagrams from that era of my life- great for halloween), but honestly satan worship isn't anything more than a very fun and sucessfull attempt to freak out old people and devaut believers. Yeah the chips maybe coming, honestly a great idea no more losing my vallet. But what do you really think the devil will accomplish by making chips? making our lives easier? put pickpockets out of buissines? we are all alredy registerd somewhere. Hell if you're baptised you're in church archives, and you can't get out of that, you can always pull the chip out. Mind control watch much of sci fy channel lately? tho I guess it is possible on some level we're all aware of the stockholm syndrome, or how heavy indoctrination can make you completely unable to be reasoned with. and about those croses in the sky, airplanes use fuel, what you are seeing is exaust. Just like cars only a lot more... and you're right it is toxic, such is the price of high speed travel. Keep an open mind and don't worry about satanic cults. happy end of the world Omg you really need to wake up. How ignorant can you get? For your information, I did personal research on this stuff, and you haven't. You really don't know anything; you just think you do and enjoy making fun of other people from what I can see. Why not google "Georgia Guidestones" and "chemtrails". Or are you just too lazy to wake up from your fantasy land? Think the Matrix movie. Our sweet, peaceful world is not real. But if you choose to have this unaware mindset of what is currently happening today, your life is going to crash around you. You aren't taking matters seriously when in fact you should. If you're a Christian (from how you respond, I doubt it), then you're going to face Holocaust III. And to think that the microchips would be great... if you want to betray God and have no way back, then by all means do as you wish and regret your bad decisions later when you don't find yourself in heaven. If you believe in heaven, that is... I doubt it from what you've said here to me (cough cough narrow-minded)
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:16 am
Dramatica Angeliqua Pimpledrip Yo Socika here some idiot banned my main acc. So anyway like I said people have been expecting the end of the world just about every year, oddly enough only a handfull of those rummors made it to europe. Guess god prefers america (more believers, more crime, less ediucation,,,) As far as your miracle healing goes, I got scratched by a cat last week, and it's almost faded (thank prometheus for giving people the ability to heal) And the dreams... well people dream about alien obductions too, and i'm sure muslims and hindus have spiritual dreams as well. You could try theraphy or meds, if you're having these big nightmares. But what's actually happening in 2012 is that the earth is alining with the center of our galaxy (if you believe that galaxies actually exist) which is a black hole (or satans vortex of evil). Happy new year P.S. Will you stop believing if we make it to 2013? Or will you just wait for the next end of the world? I'm really wondering if you actually read what I said. What you've replied back is pretty rude, which makes me think you aren't sensitive to other's feelings. Yes, I believe galaxies and black holes exist. I'm actually fascinated with outer space and did a ton of research on black holes when I was in 4th grade for the fun of if. And no, I don't believe the end of the world is 2012-13. I would appreciate it if you stopped assuming wrong things right off the bat. >.< Well sorry but there is a ton of this end of the world crap, and how satan is coming and how your dreams tell you that. (I had a dream I was dating ben affleck is that gonna happen too?) And mark of the beast are implanted chips that more and more people are going to get (more and more ppl are getting pacemakers, what if that's the thing). and yes there has been a lot of talk about the end coming in december, i just assumed you were one of those, but I guess you follow different rummors, there are so many different christians insanities, hard to tell them apart. As for my rudness, deal with it, the world isn't a snowwhite story.
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:52 am
Dramatica Angeliqua Pimpledrip Hun trust me the top 1% don't want a new goverment, they love it the way it is. They're the top 1% in this goverment. And devil worship yawwwn, you know who does devil worship, angry teenagers trying to freak out their parents (still got some crosses and pentagrams from that era of my life- great for halloween), but honestly satan worship isn't anything more than a very fun and sucessfull attempt to freak out old people and devaut believers. Yeah the chips maybe coming, honestly a great idea no more losing my vallet. But what do you really think the devil will accomplish by making chips? making our lives easier? put pickpockets out of buissines? we are all alredy registerd somewhere. Hell if you're baptised you're in church archives, and you can't get out of that, you can always pull the chip out. Mind control watch much of sci fy channel lately? tho I guess it is possible on some level we're all aware of the stockholm syndrome, or how heavy indoctrination can make you completely unable to be reasoned with. and about those croses in the sky, airplanes use fuel, what you are seeing is exaust. Just like cars only a lot more... and you're right it is toxic, such is the price of high speed travel. Keep an open mind and don't worry about satanic cults. happy end of the world Omg you really need to wake up. How ignorant can you get? For your information, I did personal research on this stuff, and you haven't. You really don't know anything; you just think you do and enjoy making fun of other people from what I can see. Why not google "Georgia Guidestones" and "chemtrails". Or are you just too lazy to wake up from your fantasy land? Think the Matrix movie. Our sweet, peaceful world is not real. But if you choose to have this unaware mindset of what is currently happening today, your life is going to crash around you. You aren't taking matters seriously when in fact you should. If you're a Christian (from how you respond, I doubt it), then you're going to face Holocaust III. And to think that the microchips would be great... if you want to betray God and have no way back, then by all means do as you wish and regret your bad decisions later when you don't find yourself in heaven. If you believe in heaven, that is... I doubt it from what you've said here to me (cough cough narrow-minded) Georgia Guidestones let me guess you believe it's the anti christs commandments? You're right anti christ really doesn't want useless officials or petty laws. And chemtrails, hun those planes fly everwhere so even the people that supposedly made it happen would be getting it in their system... Or if you'll argue they have anti toxin, so they can survive, hello if they kill the rest of people they'd have to grow their own food, make their own clothes... top 1 precent doesn't wanna do hard laybor. That's 1 lame conspiricy theory and I love conspiricy theories. And ya I'm not a christian duuh I've been trying to act like sceptical cristian, but ever sence the fight with the idiot owner of the guild i stopped bothering with it. I don't believe in god so threatning me with devine punishment is like me threatning you with the boogy man. You call me narrow minded but guess what I read the bible, I read the quran, I've studied egiptian, norse and greek mithology. And to tell you the truth, I find goldilocks more believeable than the bible, at least you can prove the existance of bears. I know what's happening, i'm aware of the s**t that's going on but a magical sky daddy wont save us, we have to do it ourselfs. To think that the laws of nature are effected by whalings and encantations is absurd so as long as people think praying is all they need to do to world will continue to go to ( a methaphorical ) hell. You wake up, and think, hun, just consider all the evidence that has piled up againts your precious bible. If you can read the entire comic and still tell me that the bible is accurate, I'll shut up.
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:07 pm
Pimpledrip Dramatica Angeliqua Pimpledrip Yo Socika here some idiot banned my main acc. So anyway like I said people have been expecting the end of the world just about every year, oddly enough only a handfull of those rummors made it to europe. Guess god prefers america (more believers, more crime, less ediucation,,,) As far as your miracle healing goes, I got scratched by a cat last week, and it's almost faded (thank prometheus for giving people the ability to heal) And the dreams... well people dream about alien obductions too, and i'm sure muslims and hindus have spiritual dreams as well. You could try theraphy or meds, if you're having these big nightmares. But what's actually happening in 2012 is that the earth is alining with the center of our galaxy (if you believe that galaxies actually exist) which is a black hole (or satans vortex of evil). Happy new year P.S. Will you stop believing if we make it to 2013? Or will you just wait for the next end of the world? I'm really wondering if you actually read what I said. What you've replied back is pretty rude, which makes me think you aren't sensitive to other's feelings. Yes, I believe galaxies and black holes exist. I'm actually fascinated with outer space and did a ton of research on black holes when I was in 4th grade for the fun of if. And no, I don't believe the end of the world is 2012-13. I would appreciate it if you stopped assuming wrong things right off the bat. >.< Well sorry but there is a ton of this end of the world crap, and how satan is coming and how your dreams tell you that. (I had a dream I was dating ben affleck is that gonna happen too?) And mark of the beast are implanted chips that more and more people are going to get (more and more ppl are getting pacemakers, what if that's the thing). and yes there has been a lot of talk about the end coming in december, i just assumed you were one of those, but I guess you follow different rummors, there are so many different christians insanities, hard to tell them apart. As for my rudness, deal with it, the world isn't a snowwhite story. You're right, the world is not a fairy tale story as it seems and that's why we "insane" Christians are trying to wake up the slumbering idiots. And by dreams and visions, I don't mean your everyday dreams and daydreaming but ones sent by the Holy Spirit. The only way to find out what the Mark of the Beast is, whatever it is because there are lots of theories and suggestions and no one really knows for sure, is to wait and see what the government forces on all of us to have implanted in us. The only way we'll know for sure is when whatever new technology to take away our privacy becomes law, that it becomes law to get one. And no, the Mark of the Beast is not going to be cool. It may be advertised as cool to attract customers, but it will get to where we feel as if our privacy is gone, we're being tracked like dogs with their implants, and our freedom is snuffed out. All of our personal information would be known.
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Le Pale to the Chief Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:14 pm
Thanks Angel for your encouraging words. Do not be afraid to allow the Truth be known, because one glorious day it will be known where everybody shall see. smile
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:14 pm
Pimpledrip Dramatica Angeliqua Pimpledrip Hun trust me the top 1% don't want a new goverment, they love it the way it is. They're the top 1% in this goverment. And devil worship yawwwn, you know who does devil worship, angry teenagers trying to freak out their parents (still got some crosses and pentagrams from that era of my life- great for halloween), but honestly satan worship isn't anything more than a very fun and sucessfull attempt to freak out old people and devaut believers. Yeah the chips maybe coming, honestly a great idea no more losing my vallet. But what do you really think the devil will accomplish by making chips? making our lives easier? put pickpockets out of buissines? we are all alredy registerd somewhere. Hell if you're baptised you're in church archives, and you can't get out of that, you can always pull the chip out. Mind control watch much of sci fy channel lately? tho I guess it is possible on some level we're all aware of the stockholm syndrome, or how heavy indoctrination can make you completely unable to be reasoned with. and about those croses in the sky, airplanes use fuel, what you are seeing is exaust. Just like cars only a lot more... and you're right it is toxic, such is the price of high speed travel. Keep an open mind and don't worry about satanic cults. happy end of the world Omg you really need to wake up. How ignorant can you get? For your information, I did personal research on this stuff, and you haven't. You really don't know anything; you just think you do and enjoy making fun of other people from what I can see. Why not google "Georgia Guidestones" and "chemtrails". Or are you just too lazy to wake up from your fantasy land? Think the Matrix movie. Our sweet, peaceful world is not real. But if you choose to have this unaware mindset of what is currently happening today, your life is going to crash around you. You aren't taking matters seriously when in fact you should. If you're a Christian (from how you respond, I doubt it), then you're going to face Holocaust III. And to think that the microchips would be great... if you want to betray God and have no way back, then by all means do as you wish and regret your bad decisions later when you don't find yourself in heaven. If you believe in heaven, that is... I doubt it from what you've said here to me (cough cough narrow-minded) Georgia Guidestones let me guess you believe it's the anti christs commandments? You're right anti christ really doesn't want useless officials or petty laws. And chemtrails, hun those planes fly everwhere so even the people that supposedly made it happen would be getting it in their system... Or if you'll argue they have anti toxin, so they can survive, hello if they kill the rest of people they'd have to grow their own food, make their own clothes... top 1 precent doesn't wanna do hard laybor. That's 1 lame conspiricy theory and I love conspiricy theories. And ya I'm not a christian duuh I've been trying to act like sceptical cristian, but ever sence the fight with the idiot owner of the guild i stopped bothering with it. I don't believe in god so threatning me with devine punishment is like me threatning you with the boogy man. You call me narrow minded but guess what I read the bible, I read the quran, I've studied egiptian, norse and greek mithology. And to tell you the truth, I find goldilocks more believeable than the bible, at least you can prove the existance of bears. I know what's happening, i'm aware of the s**t that's going on but a magical sky daddy wont save us, we have to do it ourselfs. To think that the laws of nature are effected by whalings and encantations is absurd so as long as people think praying is all they need to do to world will continue to go to ( a methaphorical ) hell. You wake up, and think, hun, just consider all the evidence that has piled up againts your precious bible. If you can read the entire comic and still tell me that the bible is accurate, I'll shut up.If you are not a Christian, why are you in this guild? Get out unless you are seriously asking for some ugly debate on whether or not God exists. And seems to me you love acting ugly because you have nothing better to do in life. The moderator had a very good reason to ban your other Gaian account: he found something you were doing or saying to be unpleasant. confused And yes, the Bible is 100% accurate despite the comic, which, by the way, is to mock the Christian religion.
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:16 pm
Cappeh Sensai Thanks Angel for your encouraging words. Do not be afraid to allow the Truth be known, because one glorious day it will be known where everybody shall see. smile No problem. I don't understand why this girl is in this guild when she's saying God's a joke. gonk
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:38 pm
Dramatica Angeliqua Cappeh Sensai Thanks Angel for your encouraging words. Do not be afraid to allow the Truth be known, because one glorious day it will be known where everybody shall see. smile No problem. I don't understand why this girl is in this guild when she's saying God's a joke. gonk That's on her. It's her problem is she wants to deny God in front of everybody.
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Le Pale to the Chief Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:24 pm
Darn it, this post exceeded the 50,000 character length, so I'm going to have to break it into parts.Well, okay. I'll try my best to explain to you how and why the Bible is accurate and doesn't contradict, but I'm not an expert or anything. I'm not a pastor, and I'm not an all-knowing wise granny. I'm just a teen who will attempt to do her best. Even if I fail, I just have the tiniest glimmer of hope you will understand that no matter how much you doubt the existence of there being a God, you'll understand that Jesus loves you so much. He really does, and he refers to everyone as his children. Doubting Christianity is normal. All Christians do that, even if you're not a Christian. Even I do from time to time, but then I reflect on past experiences and reactions of nonbelievers ("You'll never survive in this world!" Seriously, at least two of them said that to me while we argued over whether God was real or not. I think I understand what they mean because if you are a Christian and don't live in America, you're in danger of getting your head chopped off. In 53 countries, even the sign of a cross is illegal, no questions asked. Can't talk about God, heaven, or Jesus. Burn any book with the word "God" in it. All Bibles must be burned! And... "Look, a Christian! KILL HIM!!!" But yay, I live in the Bible Belt of the US, so I only have to worry about being persecuted, not murdered), the things I've learned in this world, my dad's dream of how AIDS came about and my two visions (me being pulled out of sinful waters and me falling through a void), other people's visions and dreams, Ouija boards and demons (my dad's family practiced Witchcraft when he was a young boy before he came to Christ and had a table that would answer Yes/No questions about the future. I think they used an Ouija board, too. One time when they asked about death, the table shook uncontrollably as if it was angry. Another instance is Dad and a couple of his teenage friends standing in front of a mirror, summoning a witch's spirit with a chant. A green, glowing thing began to come out of the mirror, and they screamed and ran off), among other details and experiences in my life and other's lives, made me realize as an assurance that God, indeed, is real. Even if someone says something convincing about God not being real, I retrospect to the knowledge gained in my life and think, "There's no way that person is right... God has got to be real from what I learned in life. What I know is just as convincing to me." I can't promise that you'll believe what I've said about my experiences and my dad's or a 4-year-old named Colton Burpo dying from a burst appendix and going to heaven but coming back to earth (NDE's are very interesting. We'll talk about NDE's later). I can't promise that you'll believe anything I say because I can't back it up with proof. There's just no way. All I can do is just tell you, not make you believe. I don't know any magic tricks, and I'm sure not going to force you if you don't want to believe. To start off in my uber-long post here that I believe will be unreasonably long and hopefully not just a vain waste of my time, I'm going to first explain to you the concept of faith. In John 20:24-29, there was a disciple named Thomas "who was angry because the other disciples, even Mary Magdalene, had gotten to see the risen Christ and he hadn't. The story is told in the gospel of John:
Now Thomas (called Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, 'We have seen the Lord!'
But he said to them, 'Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it.'
A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, 'Peace be with you!' Then he said to Thomas, 'Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.'
Thomas said to him, 'My Lord and my God!'
Then Jesus told him, 'Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.'
This story is where we get the familiar term 'doubting Thomas,' someone who refuses to believe something without physical evidence or direct personal experience. In other words, a person without faith," quoted from Heaven Is for Real (140-141). In other words, you. If you don't have faith that the Bible is accurate and the Truth, then you are not a Christian. This is not something said to be mean. I'm just stating it. You aren't just doubting, your "candle light is extinguished." If the Bible is a lie, wouldn't that be saying God is a lie, too? The Bible is God's Word. Before attempting to delve into what facts there are of the Bible's accuracy (I make no promises of you believing), I am going to show you a sneak-peak into some other people's lives and their experiences: "Via our hosts, those friends had forwarded us an e-mail about a report CNN had run just two months earlier, in December 2006. The story was about a young Lithuanian-American girl named Akiane Kramarik, who lived in Idaho. Twelve years old at the time of the CNN segment, Akiane (pronounced AH-KEE-AHNA) had begun having 'visions' of heaven at the age of four, the e-mail said. Her descriptions of heaven sounded remarkably like Colton's, and our host's friends thought we'd be interested in the report.
Sitting at the computer, I clicked on the link to the three-minute segment that began with background music, a slow classical piece on cello. A male voice-over said: 'A self-taught artist who says her inspiration comes 'from above.' Paintings that are spiritual, emotional... and created by a twelve-year-old prodigy.'
Prodigy was right. As the cell played, the video showed painting after painting of angelic-looking figures, idyllic landscapes, and a profile view of a man who was clearly meant to be Christ. Then a shot of a young girl filling a canvas with color. But these didn't seem to be paintings by a young girl, or even of an adult learning to paint portraits. This was sophisticated artwork that could hang in any gallery.
Akiane began painting at the age of six, the voice-over said, but at age four she 'began to describe to her mother her visits to heaven.'
Then Akiane spoke for the first time: 'All the colors were out of this world,' she said, describing heaven. 'There are hundreds of millions of more colors we don't know yet.'
The narrator went on to say that Akiane's mother was an atheist and the concept of God was never discussed in their home. The family did not watch television, and Akiane didn't attend any kind of preschool. So as the little girl began to tell her stories of heaven, then depict them first in drawings, then paintings, her mother knew she couldn't have heard these things from another person. Slowly, her mom began to accept that Akiane's visions were real and that therefore, God must be real.
'I think that God knows where he puts our children, in each family,' Mrs. Kramarik said.
I remembered what Jesus told his disciples one day when they were trying to keep some kids from 'bothering' him: 'Let the little children come to me,' (Mark 10:14).
I made a mental note for future sermons: Akiane's story showed that God can reach to anyone, anywhere, at any age-- even a preschool girl in a home where his name had never been spoken.
But that was not the lesson God had for me that day.
As I watched a montage of Akiane's artwork play across my computer screen, the narrator said, 'Akiane describes God as vividly as she paints him.'
At that point, a close-up portrait of the face of Christ filled the screen. It was the same likeness I'd seen before, but this time with Jesus looking directly 'into the camera,' so to speak.
'He's pure,' Akiane was saying. 'He's very masculine, really strong and big. And his eyes are just beautiful.'
Wow. Nearly three years had passed since Colton's surgery, and about two and a half years since he first described Jesus to me that night in the basement. I was struck by the similarities between his and Akiane's recollections: all the colors in heaven... and especially their descriptions of Jesus' eyes.
'And his eyes,' Colton had said. 'Oh, Dad, his eyes are so pretty!'
What an interesting detail for two four-year-olds to key in on. After the CNN report concluded, I rewound it to that second portrait of Jesus, a startlingly realistic picture that Akiane painted when she was eight. The eyes were indeed striking-- a clear, greenish blue under bold, dark brows-- with half the face in shadow. And I noticed his hair was shorter than most artists paint it. The beard was also different, fuller somehow, more... I don't know... casual.
Still, of the literally dozens of portraits of Jesus we'd seen since 2003, Colton had still never seen one he thought was right.
Well, I thought, may as well see what he thinks of Akiane's attempt.
I got up from the desk and hollered up the stairs for Colton to come down to the basement," quote from Heaven Is for Real (142-144).
"Knowing how many pictures Colton had rejected, Sonja and I finally felt that in Akiane's portrait, we'd seen the face of Jesus. Or at least a startling likeness.
We were pretty sure no painting could ever capture the majesty of the person of the risen Christ. But after three years of examining Jesus pictures, Sonja and I thought it was interesting that when Colton said, 'This one's right,' he hadn't known the portrait, called Prince of Peace: The Resurrection, was painted by another child-- a child who had also claimed to visit heaven," quote from Heaven Is for Real (144).
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:25 pm
As in how unreasonably hostile nonbelievers react to me and what I say about God's existence truly befuddles me. Notice the fact from my own personal experience that they kept trying to falsely accuse me of things I have not done because of my religion ("You Christians killed us Wiccans and burned us because of our Witchcraft!"). Some Wiccans say that Wicca practices Witchcraft, and some say it doesn't, which makes no since if the Wiccans contradict each other about what Wicca really is. And seriously, the Salem Witch Trials happened centuries ago. I have not killed anyone, and I'm tired of people hating me with a black-and-white, biased, stereotypical view. Apparently, nonbelievers have no concept of what forgiveness is. Once when I posted a response to what I thought of a metal rock band called the Black Sabbath linked to the Illuminati, another person quoted me and replied with something like, "Black Sabbath is the best band in the world, and I hate you Fundamentalists because you just can't accept the way society is." I was like, "What the heck? Why can't you respect my opinions? I don't have to like everything you like because I'm unique with my own mind, but I am fine with society!" He said, "Oh yeah? I'm not gonna respect your opinions because you're a Fundamentalist." Really, that guy made me so frustrated because he wasn't respecting me because I was a Christian (no fair!). He hated me just for my beliefs, which is retarded. I can't believe he ignored our same interests in what the Illuminati does (we were in the same guild in Gaia) and focused on our differences, instead. Arguing on Christianity with nonbelievers has led me to believe many of them act uneducated by their biased minds accusing those who believe in God of ridiculous things that are centuries year old. They never process in their minds that Christians and Jews, who worship the same God, are widely persecuted and have had probably more and worse sufferings in history than any other religion simply for their beliefs. To the non-Christian mind, it doesn't matter if you have similar interests, likes, and dislikes; if you're a Christian, you are unfit to live in such a society, and you are to be loathed. You are an alien that deserves to die. This brings me back to those that have told me "You'll never survive in this world!" and the 53 countries that say, "no Christians allowed. Christianity is illegal here." I've always wondered after careful observation, why do people not debate on Gaia the validity of Islam? Or Hinduism? Buddhism? Why always Christianity? Why, why, why? Why do these people spend so much time and energy refuting something they don't even believe in? If we Christians are "poor, delusional" people, why not turn your attention to the Muslims and turn them from their poor, delusional ways! It is always Christianity that is being quarreled over. It is tiring to argue so much with people who shut their minds from new possible information and yet continue to mock us... for who we are. And what about other religions? The nonbelievers seem to have no problem with them or have any interest in stepping all over their religions. At least not that I'm aware of. Bible verses here support me and you and why we act the way we do: “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. If they persecuted me, they will persecute you.” John 15:18-20 NIV
“You’re blessed when your commitment to God provokes persecution. The persecution drives you even deeper into God’s kingdom.” Matthew 5:10 (MSG)
“It is through many persecutions that we must enter the kingdom of God.” Acts 14:22.
“But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong” 2 Cor. 12:9 – 10
“In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.” 2 Timothy 3:12 NIV
“Therefore, brothers, in all our distress and persecution we were encouraged about you because of your faith.” 1 Thessalonians 3:7"I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.
I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.
I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."
Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me," quoted by http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html"Of all the lessons that I present concerning the existence of God and of all the material that I try to make available to people to learn about God's existence, the present lesson, "Why I Left Atheism," is the lesson in the series that I frankly do not like to present. I guess none of us like to look back in our lives to a time when we made poor judgments and foolish mistakes--when we took rather really idiotic positions--and admit this, especially to people we are not well acquainted with. I present this lesson, however, because it is my fervent hope and prayer that perhaps by exposing my mistakes and by pointing out the things that were a part of my early life, some who might be following the same paths (to a greater or lesser extent) might not make those same mistakes. Someone once said that nobody is totally useless; if we cannot do anything else, we can at least serve as a bad example. That is sort of my situation. I am hoping that by presenting these materials and telling you something about my early life, some of you may be able to recognize the lack of wisdom and perhaps the poor judgment that is involved in rejecting God and living a life that demonstrates such a rejection. Most of the time when I speak to religious groups or to people who believe in God, someone will ask me somewhat incredulously, "Well, were you really an atheist? Did you really not believe in God?" I want to start by asserting that the answer to that question is a very affirmative "Yes." At one time in my life, I was totally and firmly convicted that there was no such thing as God and that anybody who believed in God was silly, superstitious, ignorant, and had simply not looked at the evidence. I felt that believers in God were uneducated and were just following traditions, superstitions, and things that really made no sense to a person who was aware of what was going on around them. Of course, that kind of life and conviction led me to do and say things and to be something that was really very unpleasant. I lived a life that was immoral and which reflected a lack of belief in God. I lived in a way that was very self-centered and that satisfied my own pleasures and desires regardless of whether or not other people were hurt in the process of what I was doing. In the process of doing this, I did a lot of things that affected me through my whole life. It is because of this that I present these materials hoping that perhaps some of you will not make the mistakes and suffer the consequences that I have suffered. I cannot clearly remember all of the events that took place or the proper sequence of events because I was not taking notes. I never expected that I would be trying to recall these things, much less tell someone else about them. Still, I can recall in a general way much of what happened, and I am very sure of the concepts. The concepts are what will be most useful to you.
I guess the reason that I was an atheist is the same reason that many of you are believers in God if you are. That was because I had been indoctrinated in that particular persuasion. My background, the variables that were exposed to me as a child, led me very strongly in that direction. Just as many of you believe in God because your parents believe in God and because they instilled this belief in you, I also questioned, challenged, and rejected God because that was the kind of indoctrination that I received as a child. I can remember my mother saying to me as a child something like, "Do you really believe there is an old man, floating around in the sky, blasting things into existence here upon the earth? Do you really believe that crummy looking structure on the corner could be something beautiful called 'the church?' Do you really believe that there is a hole in the ground that I am going to be thrown into and burned eternally if I do not live just the way some preacher thinks I ought to?" Of course, I could not conceive of these things as a child and did not know enough to realize they are not what the Bible teaches. Consequently, I came to believe that anybody who believed in God was just silly, superstitious, ignorant, and unlearned. You may wonder how it would be possible for a person coming out of this type of background and kind of learning situation to become a strong believer in God today, devoting his life to trying to help people to understand that there is a God in heaven and that the Bible is His literal and verbally inspired Word. It is the purpose of this booklet to try and point out at least some of the things that entered into my acceptance of God, Jesus Christ, and the Bible as God's Word.
My high school career was one in which I grew quite rapidly academically. I enjoyed science and decided that I wanted to be a scientist of some kind. I entered Indiana University majoring in the field of physical science. It was actually at this point that one of the great changes that occurred in my life took place. I enrolled in a course in astronomy at the feet of one of the great astronomers of our day. In that particular course, we were studying the problem of origins--the creation of matter from nothing. As we discussed this particular subject, we went into all those theories that are in that particular material. We talked about the big-bang theory, the quasistatal theory, the continuous generation theory, the planetessimal theory, etc.
When we got to the conclusion of that discussion, I asked the professor which of the particular theories was the one that is most acceptable and that satisfactorily explains the creation of matter from nothing. He leaned over the desk and looked me straight in the eye and said, "Young man, you need to learn to ask intelligent questions." That rather upset me. I did not appreciate that and I said, "Well, what do you mean?" He said, "This is not a question that a scientist tries to answer. This is a question for the philosopher or theologian, but this is not something that falls into the realm of science." In today's discussions of black holes and parallel universes, things have not changed. The basic question of the creation of matter/energy from absolutely nothing is not an area that can be scientifically explored. I was very disturbed by that answer. I had always felt that science could ultimately answer all the questions that man had--that there was nothing that science could not eventually take care of as far as what man might challenge and want to know about. Yet this learned man, an expert in his field, said that this was an area that the scientist should not even try to answer--that it was totally beyond the capacity of science to explain and explore.
Not too long after that, I enrolled in a course in biology at the feet of one of the great primitive life scientists in the country. As we discussed the initial beginning of life upon the earth in that class, we talked about the synthesis of various primitive chemical materials such as deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA). As we discussed this, I once again asked a question related to the one that I had asked previously. I asked this professor what the process was by which the original life--the original living cells upon the earth--came into existence. How did the structure or generation of DNA occur? Once again, this man said, "Young man, that is not a question that falls within the realm of science." In today's world we understand more about biochemical processes, but we cannot answer how in the environment of the primitive earth these processes came into operation. I guess what was happening to me was the same thing that Lord Kelvin, a very famous British scientist, described in his writings when he made the statement, "If you study science deep enough and long enough it will force you to believe in God." That is what happened to me. I began to realize that science had its limitations--that science, in fact, strongly pointed to other explanations than natural ones to certain questions.
It was about this time when another thing happened in my life and that was that a woman entered it. A lot of things begin with women (some things end with them, too). In this particular case, this young lady was by all means the most bull-headed, stubborn, cast-iron willed individual I had ever met in all my life. I can make those statements because some six years later I married her. This was the first girl I ever met that I felt I could respect. Sometimes you will hear preachers, who know absolutely nothing about what they are talking about from the role of experience, make statements such as, "If you hold on to your virtues and maintain your moral standards, a man will respect you more." Let me tell you, as one who has lived on the other side of the fence and has thought as one who is alienated from how God thinks, that statement is true. I will guarantee you that I never thought seriously about marrying anyone until I met this girl whom I could respect--who really stood for something. Not only did she stand for something morally, she believed in God and read her Bible. Though she could not answer all my questions, she kept going back to the Bible. I also learned quickly not to let her know what I was really like morally. I knew if she really knew that, she would have nothing to do with me. I did not seem to be able to break her faith as I had been able to do with other people and the thing that happened was that as a result of her stubbornness and refusal to reject the Bible, she forced me to read the Bible.
I read the Bible through from cover to cover four times during my sophomore year in college for the explicit purpose of finding scientific contradictions in it. By that, I mean statements in the Bible that were false that I could throw back at her to show her how ridiculous it was to believe in God. I had even decided to write a book called All the Stupidity of the Bible. Something amazing happened as I did this. As I considered and thought about these things, I found that I could not find a contradiction--to find some kind of scientific inaccuracy in the Bible. I just simply was not able to do it. I gave up writing the book because of lack of material! It is amazing to me that as I talk to people, I find many who claim to be Christians and who perhaps claim to have been Christians for many years who have not read the Bible through cover to cover once. I find it hard to believe that they believe in God very much if they do not even want to know what He has to say.
As I read the Bible through again and again, I began to realize that not all of the things I had been told about God and religion were what the Bible said. They may have been what organized religion said or what some men taught, but not what the Bible itself said. For example, the Bible did not say that God was an old man floating around in the sky, blasting things into existence here upon the earth. The Bible said, "God is a spirit:..." (John 4:24) and that God is not flesh and blood. Jesus made the statement, "...for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven" (Matthew 16:17). There are many people today who do not understand this. A Russian astronaut once made the statement, "See, I told you there was no God; I didn't see him when I was in orbit." The question might be, "What was he looking for?" I began to recognize that God was not an old man in the sky. I had an anthropology professor who made the statement in all dead seriousness, "We all know what God is; He is an old man with a long white beard and big flowing robes." I am sure that this was his concept of "God." I began to recognize that this was not the biblical concept of God.
I began to recognize that the Christian life was not an altruistic life. I had been told by several people as a child that if you ever become a Christian, you cannot ever be happy, you cannot ever own anything, and you have to walk around with a long sad face and your chin dragging on the ground. Yet when I read the Bible, I read statements like, "So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it,..." (Ephesians 5:28-29). I read about the Ethiopian eunuch who went on his way rejoicing because he had found Jesus Christ and the happiness that went with that acceptance of Jesus in his life. I have had many problems come into my life, but all I have to do is to look back at how miserable life was without Christ and I can realize that life, as it is now with Jesus, is beautiful in comparison.
I began to recognize that the Church was not a building. I can remember that when we lived in Alabama, there was a meeting place of some religious group just down the street from us. My mother used to point to that as we drove or walked by and say, "Look at that. How could anybody believe in God when the Church looks like that." I realized that the Bible did not teach that the Church is such a structure. First Corinthians 3:16 makes the statement, "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God...." As an atheist, I recognized that you could meet on the moon, in a submarine, out in the desert, or any place else and still be the Church. The Church was not a building. What a tragedy it is that so many today have invested enormous amounts of money in edifices and buildings, while other human beings have gone hungry nearby.
I began to recognize that hypocrisy was not confined to religion. I had the idea that every hypocrite in the world sat in a pew on Sunday morning, and thus that everybody who was not sitting in a pew was not a hypocrite. I remember the lesson I learned on this. There was a young man who would sit elbow to elbow with me arguing against the religionist from time-to-time. He was in the hospital once with a very serious ailment. I went up to visit him and as I opened the hospital door, I saw him down on his knees praying to God. I stood at the door of that hospital room screaming at him, "You hypocrite--you dirty hypocrite!" until I was escorted out of the hospital. It slowly began to dawn on me that hypocrisy is a function of humanity, not religion. You deal with hypocrites at the grocery store, at the filling station, on the job, at school, and at the golf course (maybe more there than anywhere else). You do not quit buying groceries because the grocer says one thing and does another. You do not quit your job because your employer tells you to do something that he himself would not touch with a ten-foot pole. You do not deprive yourself or your child of a good education because a teacher teaches one thing and lives something else. You do not quit playing golf because your buddy takes a stroke in the rough and does not count it when he thinks you did not see it. Sure there is hypo-crisy in the Church, because there are human beings in the Church, and as long as you deal with human beings, you are going to deal with hypocrisy. Do you want to get away from hypocrisy? Dig a 20-foot hole in your back yard, jump in, let someone cover you with dirt, and even then you are going to be sitting down there in the bottom of that hole with one hypocrite. There is not a one of us breathing air that is as consistent as we ought to be, but the person who says, "I'm not going to be a Christian! I'm not going to serve God! I'm not going to get involved in the work of the Church because there are hypocrites in the Church," is just logically inconsistent! We do not use that kind of thinking anywhere else in our lives. How can we do it in our relationship to God? There were many, many misconceptions that I had to get rid of to understand truly what the Bible really teaches.
Another thing that I think needs to be mentioned here as we discuss some of the things that led me to believe in God were things that had to do with my happiness. I remember that as a young person, I had what would be an ideal home by worldly standards. My parents were marvelous people; there was no divorce, unfaithfulness, or neglect in my family. We did things as a family. We enjoyed each other, yet I ran away from home. I was rebellious and antagonistic. As I look back at God's Word today, I can see why these things happened. In Colossians 3:20, for example, the Bible says, "Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well-pleasing unto the Lord." Obedience was not a characteristic of John Clayton as a young man. Living in Bloomington, Indiana, Indianapolis was known as the party town, and if I wanted to go to Indianapolis, I went. When my mother said she did not want me to go, I disconnected the speedometer and went. I did anything and everything I wanted to do. After all, there was no God. All my parents were doing was restricting my fun and enjoyment in life; why should I obey them? I lived a life that was totally antagonistic to everything that my parents stood for. It is amazing to me today that some parents, who do not believe in God and demonstrate this lack of belief to their children by what they say or the way they live, wonder why their children will not obey them. Why should they? They have removed the only source of authority that they have, and no child is going to obey a parent who has destroyed that source of authority. I am convinced that much of our law and order problems center around this very question.
Years ago I was talking to a young man in Michigan who had been a participant in some of the riots at the University of Michigan. He made the statement to me that he had done these things and I asked him why he had not obeyed the law. He said, "What law?" and I said, "The law of the land--the law that God has instituted." He looked at me and laughed and said, "Man, I don't believe in God." I do not believe we can have law and order when we remove the source of the authority to that law and order. Certainly, my rebelliousness and failure to obey my parents brought a great deal of unpleasantness and misery not only into my life, but into theirs as well. The very next verse, Colossians 3:21, contains another statement that I think had a great deal to do with my unhappiness and rebelliousness as a child. The statement is made, "Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged." My parents had a tradition when I was a young man--a tradition they called the cocktail hour. I have never seen my parents drunk, but they would drink a few martinis and my mother would ask me questions that ordinarily she would not have asked. I remember, for instance, she would sometimes ask, "What did you do with the girl you took out last night?" That was the last thing I was going to tell my mother, so I learned to look her right straight in the eye and lie. I could lie to her or anybody else without batting an eyelash. I conditioned myself to do things that were wrong. I conditioned myself to steal. I remember the first time that I stole something. It was a box of raisins from the IGA store. I felt so badly that I took it back and apologized. Sometime later, I stole a comic book from a drug store; I took it back, but I did not apologize. Six months later, I was stealing almost anything I could get my hands on, not because I needed it, but because it was fun--it was a challenge. I even went so far as to be caught stealing money from my parents. That brings me to the next point, which is certainly another thing that had to do with my happiness.
When I read passages in the Bible like Psalm 53, for instance, I sometimes feel like God is describing John Clayton some years ago. Psalm 53:1-3 says:
The fool hath said in his heart, "There is no God." Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Another statement, made by Solomon in Ecclesiastes 1:2-3, 14, says:
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?...I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and, behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit.
I have tried almost everything you can imagine to find pleasure and happiness. I will not try to tell you that I did not find pleasure using my own system of following my own desires, but I can guarantee you that I did not find happiness. I tried every conceivable thing you can think of. I tried all kinds of things--things that were immoral, that were wrong, that hurt other people, and things that I would not even want to describe. I did those things because I was trying to find pleasure and happiness and, as I say, I found pleasure sometimes. However, I never went to bed at night satisfied or happy with my life and enjoying my living. I never got up in the morning looking forward to a new day. Life was just one long chain of misery.
Judge Roy Moore of Lawton, Oklahoma, who deals with the legal problems precipitated by the presence of Fort Sill in that area, once made the statement to me, "I've never seen a young man on drugs live more than seven years without taking his life." You may not be able to understand that, but I have sat on the edge of my bed with a .22-caliber rifle between my legs, trying to have enough guts to pull the trigger. I bottomed out that low; I got that emotionally disturbed and upset with my desire and attempt to find happiness. Please listen to me and profit by what I am saying. You can try every conceivable thing that this world has to offer. You can try sex, drugs, alcohol, stealing, and all kinds of things in a desperate attempt to find happiness. I can testify from experience that you may find pleasure, but you will not find happiness. I can go back to Bloomington today and meet people who refuse to believe that I have changed my life--people that I hurt and who knew the kind of life I lived. The reason that I think many things happen with young people today is because they try to find happiness living their own way. It simply does not work. Have you ever wondered why it is that when a person gets clean from drugs, gets rid of the problem of alcohol, or conquers some of the problems like the ones I had, that the person always seems to get involved in some religious cause, halfway house, or something like that? Why is that? I can tell you from my own experience that we have learned that the only place you find happiness is in using God's system--in following God's way. Perhaps people that have lived without God appreciate so much more than people that have grown up in religious structures--what you have in the Church. You do not find happiness living your own system, but only in living God's way and in being a part of God's system.
As perhaps you are beginning to realize as we get into this discussion more thoroughly, there were a variety of things that led me to believe in God. One other thing that I think ought to be mentioned is the fact that I entered a period of military service about this time. For the first time in my life, I came in contact with death. I began to think about the reasonableness of death as I Iooked at it as an atheist. Perhaps a more accurate way to describe this was the way that I had to look at life because of death. As an atheist, I realized that I had to look at life with all of its problems, difficulties, and terrible things that I experienced as the best thing that I could ever look forward to. Yet I realized that as a Christian, I would be able to look at life with all of its joys, beauties, and wonderful things that we all enjoy as the absolute worst that I was ever going to have to experience. Yet from a philosophical point, I began to realize that Christianity offered a great deal in this particular area. I did not get scared into believing in God, but I think this area together with all these other things helped me to realize that there really was quite a change in my understanding of what Christianity and God are all about. I began to recognize that perhaps there were some things about the Church and what it had to offer that were important to me.
About this time in my life, I decided that other religious systems might be as good as the Bible. To check them out, I began reading the Vedas, Koran, Sayings of Buddha, writings of Bahaullah and Zoroaster and found that other religions taught many things I could not accept. There were teachings in their writings concerning what life was like after this life that were unrewarding and unrealistic and there were descriptions of God that were illogical and inconsistent. There were also many scientific inaccuracies in their works. There were many teachings about life and how to live it that were not workable. This included the role and position of women in the Koran, the Holy War concept of Mohammed, the pantheism of nearly all other systems, reincarnation, idol worship, polygamy, and a myriad of ideas which I had expected to find in the Bible, but did not. I began to realize that nothing matched the Bible's system of life. Only in the Bible could I see statements which would stand in the face of the scientific facts that I knew to be true and only the Bible offered a system of life that I felt was reasonable and consistent. I decided that if I ever came to believe in God, it would be a belief based upon the Bible.
The next question was that if I ever became a believer in God, which of all the religious organizations claiming to be Christianity would be the correct one. I recognized that I did not want to be a part of all these traditional religious bodies that taught the error that I had been taught and had believed in my early years, so I started visiting the various religious organizations in southern Indiana at that time. I visited almost every religious organization that I could get into, to try and see what they taught, to see if they followed the Bible and if they understood what the Bible had to say or if they followed men's theologies. My experience was that as I went from one to another, each of them taught something that was not in the Bible. They honored some men above other men, they taught that unreligious writings were equivalent to the Bible and they did not follow the Bible literally and verbally. I had had enough of religious confusion and error. I did not want any more of that sort of thing, so I continued looking. In a real sense, I guess you could say I am still looking--I am still trying to find that true Church. I did find the religious group that seemed to me to follow the Bible very closely. In Bloomington, there was a group of people who met on the corner of 4th and Lincoln streets. They were called the Church of Christ. These people still did not totally follow what I understood to be the biblical system. My challenge today to young people who are Christians would be to do a job of totally restoring New Testament Christianity. This group did have the doctrine of Christianity pretty well restored as I understood it. I recognized that passages like 1 Peter 3:21 ("The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us....") had to be interpreted as meaning what it said, and this group did interpret that in a way that I felt was consistent with that passage. This group did interpret Acts 2:38 ("...be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...") in a way that I felt was consistent and they did reject men as their source of authority.
As a matter of fact, I remember hearing one of the first lessons that I ever heard in that building preached by a man named Raymond Muncy. Mr. Muncy said, "Now, don't you ever listen to anything any preacher says," and I said amen to that. He went on and talked about how we should not rely upon man and I want to tell you here an now that you should never believe anything any preacher says. Do not ever listen to any preacher, under any circumstance, unless you can find for yourself in the Bible that what that man says is consistent with God's Word. This is, in essence, what Mr. Muncy was saying and I was very impressed by it, but that group of people did not give as they were prospered. Yes, they worshipped according to God's format, but they did not give as they were prospered. They were not involved in teaching their neighbors about Jesus Christ. There was a very small percentage who were active in the work and they certainly did not manifest the kind of love and appreciation for each other that I understood the Bible to teach. The generation before you has restored the doctrine of Christianity--I believe that. However, they have yet to restore the spirit of New Testament Christianity and that is your challenge. Restore the spirit of New Testament Christianity--the love and the concern for the souls of others that the early Church had. I recognized that the Church of Christ was the closest thing that I had seen to what the Bible taught. I determined that if I ever became a Christian, I would become a member of this group--a group that was trying to follow the Bible literally and verbally, that would not accept the teachings of men and would not try to be influenced by the traditions of the past.
I guess the real straw that broke the camel's back occurred some six months later. I was enrolled in my first geology course at Indiana University. The professor was a brilliant, well-known atheist. On the first day of class, in response to a discussion, he made a statement something like, "I'm going to show you that the Bible is a bunch of garbage," and I thought, "Now this is going to be great," because I was getting concerned. I was still saying that I was an atheist to those who knew me well. I was still rejecting God and holding on tenaciously to my lack of belief. It is hard to change a life that has gone a certain direction for years and all of a sudden make it go another direction, I was not ready for that. I thought this man was going to be able to provide me with some arguments that would finally defeat this girl that I had been dating all these years. She was a Christian--although perhaps not as strong as she might have been. I was going to show her that this religion stuff was really a lot of bunk and I was even convinced that I might even be able to show Ray Muncy that belief in God was not realistic. Mr. Muncy was a man who had great patience and knowledge, but he had not been given much of an opportunity to convince or teach me much of anything.
The professor started the class out by showing us the various methods of dating rocks and other parts of the creation. He then asserted that everyone knew that the Bible said the earth was 6,000 years old. I asked where it said that. He replied that he believed it was in Genesis the 52nd chapter. I started looking, not knowing much about the Bible, to Genesis 40, Genesis 49, Genesis 50, Exodus 1--I said, "Wait a minute; Genesis only has 50 chapters." He sputtered around a few minutes, but he never did find that passage. Of course, the Bible does not say the earth is 6,000 years old. The Bible is totally silent on the age of the earth and I realized that. This man made the statement that the Bible says that God created two cocker spaniels, two English terriers, and two German shepherds. We all had a good laugh when we figured out how big the Ark would have to be to hold the 20 million groupings of this kind. Once again, I asked where the word kind was defined in that way. It did not seem to me that the word kind meant that. We looked at it and he finally said he guessed that maybe it did not. First Corinthians 15:39 is the only definition of the word kind and that is a very broad definition ("All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another fishes, and another of birds."). Genesis 1 uses the same terminology and the same break-down as 1 Corinthians 15. To make a very, very long story fairly short, when I turned in my final exam the last day of class, I said to this learned professor, "Sir, you have not really shown me any contradiction between what we have studied in this course and in what the Bible has to teach." He jerked my paper away from me and said, "Well, I guess if you really study it, there is no contradiction." I was shocked! I was appalled! Here was a man who had a Ph.D. and was a leading atheist, yet he could not answer the silly questions from an ignorant college junior who was on his side. I remember that February day very clearly. I walked back to my room in the dormitory in a state of shock. I could not believe what had happened. I got to my room about 11:00 and sat on my bed thinking what a stupid, ignorant fool I had been. I had rejected God; I had been dishonest. I had actually been stupid in my response to the evidence available to me. I did not like people who refuse to look at the evidence and draw intelligent conclusions. I did not like people who could not break free of their parents' thinking and do their own thinking. I had always accused the religionists of doing this, yet I recognized that I had been guilty of the same thing. I had refused to be honest--to look at the evidence. I had refused to make comparative choices based upon what was available to me. I was miserable.
Supper time came and I was sitting there. My roommate came in and said, "Are you ready to eat?" I said, "No, I'm not hungry." He said, "Are you sick?" I said, "Yes, I'm sick of me!!! I'm sick of being selfish, I'm sick of using people, I'm sick of being dishonest, I'm sick...." I was still telling him what I was sick about as he left for supper. At the time, I did not understand what was happening, but I do now! That is what repentance is all about--to get sick of a selfish, egotistical, destructive life and turn to God's way--to turn to a life that has value, meaning, and direction. My roommate went on to eat and I just sat there determined that I had to do something. I could no longer sit back and be dishonest and continue to refuse to accept the obvious evidence that was available to me. About 6:30, I got up and started walking toward the building where the Church of Christ met on Wednesday nights. The invitation was extended at the Church of Christ that evening for anyone who wished to accept Christ and come forward. I went forward, understanding that I now believed totally and completely in God. I recognized that I needed to start a new life and be willing to tell people that I accepted the existence of God and believed that Jesus is His Son. I also realized that I was totally and completely lost in my sins and that I needed to be baptized to have forgiveness (as the Bible commanded). I started down the aisle that night and Raymond Muncy went into a mild state of shock. I remember the expression on his face. I do not think he believed that the power of God could ever reach a man as divorced as I was from anything good, decent, and godly. I was baptized into Christ that evening for the remission of my sins, as I understood the Bible to teach. To show you how far I was from God, I called this girl, I had been dating for some six years at that time. I said, "Phyllis, I've become a Christian!" She said, "I don't believe you. You quit lying to me." I had to have the preacher's wife talk to her to convince her that I had, in fact, become a Christian. There are people today who still do not believe it--that the power of God could change a man that was as divorced and alienated from God as I was--but I want to tell you that in many respects, this is just the beginning of this story. God promised His help to those who are His followers. Having a close personal relationship to God and to other followers enable us to conquer enormous problems and do things we could not possibly do on our own (see Philippians 4:13).
I had a lot to overcome. I could not talk without swearing. You could not go to the preacher's house and say pass the @$#%& potatoes. I had to learn a new way of talking, a new way of living, a new set of values, and a new morality, because I had lived in opposition to God. I asked God's help in these things and I found I was able to overcome things I had never been able to overcome before. I have a whole new set of problems--a whole new set of things that I have to work on--but the problems I have today are nothing like the problems I had in the past. If anyone had told me twenty years ago that I would be openly using my limited abilities to publicly convict disbelievers of God's reality, I would have thought they were insane. Nonetheless, God has blessed my feeble efforts in spectacular ways--totally beyond anything I could have ever done.
I want to close this lesson by asking you a very simple question--a question that you need to answer for yourself and that each person needs to answer I suppose nearly every day. Are you an atheist (not perhaps as man would define it, but as God defines it)? Are you an atheist? Oh, I realize you may not be the kind of atheist that I was. Perhaps you are not immoral or hurting people or dishonest or doing the kinds of things that I did. I am thankful that you are not, but do you realize the way Jesus views an atheist? Matthew 12:30 says, "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." What is He saying? He is saying that you are either for God or you are against God. You are either an atheist or a Christian; you cannot be both. I can understand how a man can be an atheist. I have been an atheist a good part of my life. As an atheist, I believed (and still believe) that my life was consistent, reasonable, and defendable.
For a few years now, I have been trying to live what I understand to be the Christian way of life. Once again, I believe my life is consistent, reasonable, and defendable with what I believe, but I will never understand (and if you understand, I wish you would explain it to me) how a man or a woman or a boy or a girl can say, "Yes, I believe in God. Yes, I understand that the Bible is God's Word," and then not do everything and anything within their power to make sure their lives conform to what that God teaches. That is not consistent, not reasonable, and not defendable, yet I am sure there are many people who know that their life is not consistent with God's way of living. Jesus said, "He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." Are you for Christ? Are you working for Christ? Is your life radiating the kind of living that Jesus taught? Are you really a Christian or are you an atheist? There is no middle ground. It is my hope that by revealing to you the kind of person I have been and the mistakes I have made, you have realized that God is the only way. It is my prayer that you have realized that there is nothing that can be a part of your life that God cannot help you overcome and that you also realize that there is no better time than right now to begin the Christian way of living," quoted by http://www.doesgodexist.org/AboutClayton/PastLife.html
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Now about NDE's (Near Death Experiences), they interest me greatly, and I had thrown together a couple stories and videos of them. Near-Death Experiences: Is there an Afterlife?Near-Death Experience - Howard Storm http://www.medjugorje.ws/en/articles/howard-storm-near-death-experience/Jim Anderson: Heaven Can Wait Story http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/amazing/Jim_Anderson_120707.aspxJim Anderson: Heaven Can Wait Video http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/SW94v1_3_WSIan McCormack: The Lazarus Phenomenon Story http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/amazing/Ian_McCormack_022610.aspxIan McCormack: The Lazarus Phenomenon Video http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/SUS142_IanMcCormack_022610_WSTony Davis: Unfinished Business on Earth Story http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/amazing/Tony_Davis_050908.aspxTony Davis: Unfinished Business on Earth Video http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/RT10v3Jeff Markin: Back From the Dead, Reborn into the Light Story http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/amazing/Jeff-Markin-Chauncey-Crandall-091510.aspxJeff Markin: Back From the Dead, Reborn into the Light Video http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/vod/SAF13v5_WSAn Analysis of The Atheists Near-Death Experiences http://www.near-death.com/experiences/atheists01.htmlBeyond the Light http://iands.org/nde-stories/17-nde-accounts-from-beyond-the-light.htmlYou know what, I'm just so angry right now that I'm going to toss this in, too, in my very wild, unorganized post here: Mark of the BeastWelcome to the Cashless Society http://www.infowars.com/cashless_society.htmCashless Society Fulfilling Biblical Prophesy http://www.care2.com/news/member/378379217/634736Cashless Society with Implanted Microchip by 2017 http://12160.info/video/cashless-society-withThe Mark of the Beast http://www.markbeast.com/666- Bible Prophesy http://www.bibleprophesy.org/666mark.htmIt also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666. -Revelation 13:16-18 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus. -Revelation 14:9-12 The Georgia Guidestones http://www.radioliberty.com/stones.htmHere's a story about an idiot girl who was tampering with demons. She's not a Christian, and was dabbling into the occult because her friends had decided to play with an Ouija board: "I am 30 years old now, but I have a true story to tell back when I was 17, almost 15 years ago in Seattle.
It was raining heavy all day, darkly overcast and dark early which is typical for a Seattle September. I decided to call one of my friends who lived up north that I hadn’t seen in a while and catch up with him, so I gave him a quick call, grabbed my sleeping bag, some weed and my toothbrush, jumped into my rusted out old bomb of a car and headed two hours north into the woods where his house was.
When I got there, Jake (my friend) who was 18 at the time, had people over, a few people that he knew, Amber, Crissy and Mike. Jake lived in a big house almost 15 miles from a small town on an island. He inherited the house from his late grandfather and his dad lived almost 200 miles away in eastern Washington, so it was just us.
Although the house had a fireplace and wood stove, it was always cold, probably because of the high ceilings, stone and timber floors and open spaces. We hung out in an old wine cellar/basement that Jake had converted into his guitar room and studio under the house, heated by a small blow heater, it was just enough to keep the basement bearable.
We smoked the weed I brought, and drank some red wine Mike managed to get from a guy he knew. We were all laughing and having a good time talking politics and music. Mike was telling us about a really cool band he heard one night in Pioneer Square by the University district that he thought was going to be big. (I won’t name the band, but as it turned out, they became huge.) The conversation turned to more esoteric material, Amber and Crissy were talking about the occult. Mike and Jake were talking sports.
I was getting sympathetic glances from Jacob when he realized I had nothing to say about either topic. He turned his conversation toward me, and asked if I wanted to play a game. “Sure” I said. Amber broke mid sentence and interrupted, “we have a game”.
Mike immediately piped up, “I’m not making out with you Amber, besides, we don’t have anymore alcohol.” Which I thought was a bit rude, because Amber was really pretty and although a bit eccentric in an emo gothic way, but she was nice. “No” she said, pulling a Ouija board out of her duffle bag, apparently the girls had decided to stay the night too and packed accordingly.
I think Mike was really stoned because he sat out of the game, lounging on an old beat up couch Jacob had bought from a thrift shop for 18.00. Curled up in his HS letterman’s jacket, he fell asleep.
We turned off the one light bulb hanging from the basement ceiling after lighting a few candles. Jake always had a lot of candles in his house, (I don’t think he liked to pay electricity bills), besides being only 18, he had a minimum wage job at a pet store, so finding candles in Jacob’s house was never a problem.
We turned off the heater to create a more silent atmosphere. It was eerie down in that dark basement lighted only by candles in the middle of the night staring at a Ouija board in a big old house in the middle of the woods with only the sound of rain and the creaking floorboards above us. But surprisingly I remember, we were not cold, some of which I think was because we were so high.
We all put our hands on the board and closed our eyes. Amber who was the one who studied witchcraft and that stuff was directing us. Telling us not fall asleep, but to relax our minds, to just let go and focus on creating a triangle in our minds where the spirits could come through. (I thought to myself, relaxing my mind will not be a problem, but the rest of this sounds like B.S.) I said nothing, but just did as she said. I tuned out everything except the sound of her voice, creating a space in the form of a triangle for the spirits to come through in. I felt sleepy, but I did not lose consciousness. Then it happened.
I saw an image of really hot guy. I didn’t know him, I just remember thinking to myself, wow!, this will be easy to look at as he stood in the triangle. I actually began to feel a bit horny, but of course I kept that to myself. I heard Jake make a soft Hmmm, sound to himself too, like he was seeing him too, but dismissed it, because I know Jake was not gay.
Then, this guy reached out and touched my hand, I felt a cold chill run through me like a nervous tingle up my spine even though it was just in my imagination. And the pointer moved! The image of this guy stayed in my head even when I opened my eyes. I did not expect to be able to still ‘see’ him and keep my eyes open and watch the board at the same time, but I did. The pointer spelled out the word H-E-L-L-O.
Jacob was smiling ear to ear as was Crissy. I wondered if they had a similar experience, still I said nothing but I wanted to know if they were experiencing the same thing as I was. Amber just sat there, expressionless, and finally said in a flat tone, “they have arrived.” “Who? Who has arrived Amber? and did you move it?” She swore that she didn’t. We all sat there silent looking at each other. “OK, nobody move it this time, for real, let’s ask it something,” Jacob said. “Like what?” Crissy said. “I don’t know, something that only one of us knows.” “Ohh I know,” Crissy said, “that time that you and Mike went to the party and the car got stuck, Mike left and would not tell anyone where he went. Only he knows, lets ask it that”
Amber, directed the question, “where did Mike go on (such and such day) after he walked off?” Much to my surprise, the board did not hesitate, not even for a second. It spelled out B-A-S-E-B-A-L-L-F-E-I-L-D. “Baseball field? Mike ditched us to go to the Friggin baseball field? Are you kidding me?” Jake was a little upset, I could see it in his face.
I tried to calm him by telling him, that it didn’t matter and probably wasn’t true anyway. The board continued to answer our questions for about a half hour before Mike woke up. He jumped off the old couch and yelled something none of us could understand and scared us half to death in the process. “What the hell dude?” Jake said to Mike.
“I just had a bizarre nightmare, I was at a Seahawks game and we won, I was so happy then afterwards I was allowed to go back and meet all the players. It was awesome, we were hanging out in the locker room and everything, then.. their skins began to fall away, and they turned into vampires and crap and began eating people with knives and forks and drinking blood from crystal glasses. You guys. They sat at a table and served you up as platters of food. They’re were about 10 of them and they were digging around inside your decapitated heads, saying that if I wanted to eat the body, I had to eat my brains first, I mean your brains first. You guys were the main course.” “Knock it off Mike, your not very funny, besides, where did you go that day after the car got stuck? Answer me honestly, its important,” Jake said. “Ohh yeah, well, your probably gonna be a bit pissed, but I went to the baseball field across town to meet Crystal, sorry man.” He said wiping the drool off his lip.
The room went silent and the pointer began to spell again. Y-O-U-A-R-E-A-L-L-G-O-I-N-G-T-O-D-I-E. Just then two of the four candles we had lit just spontaneously fizzled out and the room got a whole lot darker. A cold chill came over me and all of a sudden, I could feel myself being watched from every corner of the room. I wanted to curl up in a ball, because I could feel something or someone beside my feet under the old card table that the board sat on. I could feel, the presence of something or someone coming through the brick stone walls that lined the old wine cellar basement.
The feeling of being stared at from behind and from the sides was so intense that I had to keep looking around to make sure that nobody was actually there. the board spelled out again and stronger and faster this time, “W-E-A-R-E-G-O-I-N-G-T-O-K-I-L-L-Y-O-U-A-N-D-E-A-T-U.
The image of the sexy guy in the triangle turned into an image of a demon. I could see his dark black pits of eyes that sunk into his skull and dull gray cracked bald head and fangs in my mind. He was licking his lips with a dried out crusted tongue, scraping it across the gaping black maw that resembled his mouth. I felt a wave of nausea and disgust come over me, I closed my eyes but the image stayed there, and even got stronger. Opening my eyes wide did not help, since it was in my imagination I could not get the image out of my head. He reached forward and scooped out a portion of my brains showing me and said to me in my mind, this is your imagination, I’m eating it, and soon, I will have your entire soul.
I felt so alone and scared. other demons with fangs and claws began to emerge from the background in my mind. back in the physical room, it was filled with a thick atmosphere that you could cut with a scalpel. Mike was the only one who didn’t seem to be affected by it, he was just fumbling around in the dark looking for his cigarettes. The rest of them just sat there motionless at the card table, looking around the room, I know they felt it too.
Then, it happened, something slapped me in the back. I whizzed around thinking Mike was playing a joke on us, but he was sitting on the couch lighting a smoke. “Something just slapped me on the back,” I said, looking at Crissy, Amber and Jacob. “I know,” said Jacob, “something hit me earlier too, I just didn’t say anything before.” “Guys, this isn’t funny, I’m starting to get freaked out here,” said Crissy. In a flat tone Jacob just said, “nobody’s laughing, I don’t think this is a joke”.
Being aware that candles cast shadows and that you can see some pretty strange stuff, what I saw that night in the darkness of the wine cellar was definitely not the result of shadows being cast by candles. I saw black misty shadowy things moving in a controlled and very deliberate way around the room out of the corner of my eyes. Some of them very lighting quick, and others seemed to stroll though and take their time, knowing they had all night. Amber, who was leading the séance before, suggested that we close the circle down, that this had been enough for one night and that we should go upstairs and make a fire and try to get warm. Just then I became aware of just how cold the room was, even colder than normal. Everyone agreed except Mike who just wanted to go back to sleep after his cigarette, but couldn’t because he complained about the cold despite wearing jeans, a thermal top and a jacket.
Amber started out by telling us to grab the planchette and repeat in our minds, spirits depart. But the pointer just kept being drawn to the word No on the board. “I demand that you leave this house, depart, now!” she said. The pointer just spelled out the letters G-O-T-O-H-E-L-L-A-N-D-D-I-E-S-L-U-T-S. We packed up the board anyway, and went upstairs. The rain was still coming down and in droves. As we walked up the creaky wooden staircase out of the basement together with candles in hand, toward the top of the staircase I thought about putting the light back on, but decided to just get out of there instead. Jacob made a fire, and Mike went outside to pee. When he came back in, he told us that we had better lock the doors because he thought he saw a pack of wolves roaming around the perimeter of the trees, that he wasn’t sure, but that’s what it looked like. I remember him asking Jake if his neighbor owned pet dogs, Jacob said he didn’t really have many neighbors and that he didn’t think they did.
So we locked the doors to the outside and gathered by the fire. I looked at my watch and was really surprised to see that it had stopped on six o clock. I asked Crissy what time it was because she was the only one wearing a watch besides me, she said she didn’t know because her watch had been playing up and was broken too.
Living in the city, I’m not used to packs of wild animals roaming around my house, especially wolves. The whole thing seemed a bit too corny and coincidental to me, but Jacob assured me that it was normal to have wild animals living in the woods by the house, including wolves and not to worry. He explained to me that raccoons and possums regularly go through his trash. I felt a little bit better, but was uneasy about the fact that I could not get the image of that demonic face out of my head and I was stuck out in the middle of the dark woods in the pouring rain in a big old house with the possibility of being surrounded by a pack of hungry timberwolves just beyond the brick and wood walls.
The image of the Demonic face was not going away, it was only getting clearer and I felt as if the shadow creatures I was seeing darting around out of the corner of my eyes had followed us up the stairs and were coming up through the floor. I felt weak and unmotivated to do anything about it though. I really started to get scared when I went to the bathroom upstairs, turned on the light and went over to the sink. I stared at myself in the mirror, I stood there for almost 15 minutes just looking at myself. I don’t know what came over me, but I definitely wasn’t high anymore. I was as sober as a person could be and for some reason I just stood there in utter silence fascinated at the sight of my own face. I remember poking it and feeling it, as if it wasn’t mine at all. It was the weirdest feeling I had ever had. I felt cold all over, but I was oddly enough able to tolerate the feeling with an ease that I hadn’t before. I felt as if I could just strip down naked despite the fact that I could see my breath when I blew. I didn’t.
The feeling to urinate that led me upstairs and into the bathroom to begin with, strangely passed, as I no longer felt the urge to go. I looked over at the sink and saw one of Jakes razors in an old plastic cup sitting there. I grabbed it, and felt the overwhelming urge to cut myself, I don’t know why, I never had any thoughts like this before and I never, ever cut myself before. But the thought of what it would feel like to run a cold piece of steel over my flesh was too much, I pressed the razor into my wrist, I still to this day don’t know why and I was totally aware of doing it at the time. It just seemed like it wasn’t me, but it was me… this is difficult to explain.
The feel of the sharp razor pressing into me did not hurt as I had expected it to, but instead felt.. for lack of a better word, …good. This was a totally alien concept to me, I had heard of people cutting themselves before, but never in a million years could imagine me doing it to myself. I remember feeling surprised as the warmth of the blood began to flow from my wrist. I instinctually raised my arm to meet my mouth to stop the bleeding, I dropped the razor to the floor and the tinking sound of the steel meeting the tiles for a moment broke the utter silence. The rain outside had stopped.
I began sucking on my wound, at first to stop the bleeding, but the gentle flow of the warm blood into my mouth took hold of me and I began to suck harder and harder. I could smell the iron, that distinctive smell of blood. I felt so strange standing there looking at myself in the mirror with my wrist to my mouth drinking my own blood. Just then I heard the sound of footsteps coming up the stairs from down the hall. It was nearly 40 feet away and I somehow knew it was Mike.
As I heard him draw closer and closer up the stairs, I began to ‘come out’ of it. I was no longer fascinated by my own image and couldn’t believe I had done such a stupid thing as cut myself! What the hell was I thinking? I quickly picked up the razor from the floor, washed it off in the sink and put it back. The words, ‘cut deep’ came into my mind earlier, and I was now glad that I hadn’t. The bleeding had almost stopped due to my intense sucking, but was still coming through a little bit. I ran it under cold water and started looking around the room for a bandage. Just then, the face re-appeared. I saw that gray skinned demon with cracked skin and deep black pits for eyes and fangs again. This time his mouth was red with blood. I pulled myself out of it and re-attended my cut. Again, I thought to myself, how could you do this? That uneasy feeling of being watched returned. The sets of eyes that were glaring at me from behind were now so intense I could feel them piercing right through me at the back of my neck. My hair was pricked up and the coldness again returned.
Mike knocked at the door with a loud knock that he has. “Is everything OK in there? You’ve been in there a while.” “Yes, its OK, I’m finished.” I said. He opened the door and looked at me like I was dressed like a freak or something. “What the hell have you been doing? You’ve been in here almost 45 minutes. (silence)
“Well whatever, come with me, you need to come downstairs. now” I was not in the mood to argue and I could not explain what just happened to even myself, let alone anyone else, so I went downstairs with Mike. He can be a little out of touch with the weirder side of human nature, but he is a strong personality and I felt safe with him around. I knew now that whatever came out of that Ouija board did not get put back, and it would not be pulled into line by anyone, especially Amber. Whatever it was, I felt like it was time to acknowledge it.
It followed Mike and I down the hall and down the stairs to the main room where the fire was going. Jake and Crissy were comforting Amber telling her it would be OK. I leaned over and asked Mike what had happened, he didn’t say anything. I asked again, “I don’t know” he said, “she just flipped out.” Jacob spoke up as we approached them, “that thing in the board, we need to put it back,” he said raising his head to look at us. I could see that Mike was confused, but I knew exactly what he meant, and was in full agreement. I could see the shadow creature images darting around the room again from the corner of my eyes and feel the dark presences filling the room. “Amber is not well, she needs a hospital or something. Mike, you could take her on your bike.”
Mike had a new street bike that he bought after suing a hospital for giving him an infection during a routine operation several years ago, which kept him in hospital longer on IV antibiotics, which led to him being dropped from the Varsity football team, taking up smoking, falling in with the ‘wrong crowd’ (Jake, Amber & Crissy), which ultimately led him to be here, in the middle of the dark woods at night possibly surrounded by a pack of hungry canine predators, in an old house that was colder than Stalin’s crypt, amongst obviously malevolent and supernatural entities who’s explicit orders were, for us to die.
I would have felt sorry for him if I too hadn’t been in the same situation. At least he had an out. It had rained so much over the last two and a half days, that I’m sure my little car would not be able to make it up the steep dirt (mud) driveway to get out. Not like a state of the art motorcycle.
In the end Mike put the helmet on Amber and took her into town so that she could get seen by a doctor or nurse. Jacob, Crissy and I were left to our own devices. I never did find out what Mike meant by Amber ‘flipping out’. Later that night, we got a phone call from Mike’s Aunt at the hospital. They never made it to town. Apparently there was an accident, a motorbike carrying two passengers were killed when they hit a fallen tree. Slippery roads, poor visibility and excessive speeds were the official blame. Marijuana was also found in the coat pocket of the female passenger and was thought to contribute to the accident.
I suspect there was another cause of their deaths that night and it didn’t have anything to do with pot or slippery roads. Although those are all plausible explanations, I can’t help but to remember the Ouija boards words about us going to die that night. And it happened. Even as I felt myself up in that bathroom cutting into myself I could hear the words as if an entity was speaking into my ear, “cut deep little girl.” Knowing now that if I did, I would not be here telling you the events of that September day, and if it had not been for Mike coming up those stairs when he did, I know deep down, that a part of me would have taken my own life even though I was not suicidal. I had seen the image of the gray vampire in my mind and my dreams for years after that. I fell into a deep depression and was diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Days had passed where I was so weak, I was unable to even get out of bed. I lost my job and eventually my life (or the quality of my life rather) to this demon/vampire.
Since doctors could not help me, I turned to psychics and alternative healers instead. Some of them just took my money and told me I was going to get married and live a long happy life, but a handful of legitimate ones would take one look at me, or do my cards and give me back my money telling me that they could not help me. Some would be more forthcoming and say that I had a very dark and evil presence feeding off of me, and was taking just enough of my life force to keep me going.
I turned to a pastor but his prayers did not help me, It only antagonized the entity to punish me more and I learned not to go back to the church. I stayed away for many years, never going outside unless it was at night when it was less crowded with people and only then in certain areas where that were thought to be abandoned. I lived off a state pension after my diagnosis and had food delivered to me in my tiny west end apartment and gradually grew into an agoraphobic.
During my time with the entity, it told me many things that would come to happen, and most of them did, including the election of Barrack Obama before he even ran for president. When the entity inhabited me, I seemed to know certain things about people that when I asked them about it, freaked them out. I lost many friends during this time.
Everytime I would try to free myself from the entity, it would seem to know, and it would punish me harshly for trying. Then one day a young man staring at me one night in a coffee shop in Everett as he was drinking his coffee, just waiting there, doing nothing gave me the strangest feeling that I knew him. I had to walk over to him and excuse myself, but, ask him, do we know each other?
“That is an interesting question and one that is not easily answered.” he said. What a weirdo I thought at first, that was the strangest reply I had ever gotten from a person and totally unexpected. Yet I felt something from him, like an odd familiarity that I could not explain… and it was terrifying to me. I only knew that he represented something that wasn’t good for me, but my curiosity won the day and I sat down across from him watching him close. “The entity that you harbor see’s me as his enemy, ” he said. He introduced himself as Santa… (something) I forget exactly. He claimed to be a Kabbalist Magician who studied hermetic sciences. Whoever he was or whatever he was, I thank him, he told me that the entity was a psychic vampire by the name of …….-…. and that the entity had overstepped his authority and should release me now, that enough time had passed and my contract with him was finished. I don’t know what he meant by all of that or all the other stuff he said.
I tried to explain to him what had happened and how I tried to get rid of the creature. He said that the spirit no longer had a legitimate contract over me and that he would see to it that it moved on. He warned me about the dangers of dabbling in the occult and emphasized that knowledge should always be the first weapon.
In the end of our conversation I said to him that he was a good person for doing this and was he able to kill the demon? His reply puzzled me, even to this day. He said, no, he wasn’t going to kill the entity, that it was an important part of creation and although I could not understand it, it serves it an important purpose. That he was just putting things back in balance. He also pointed out to me that if I thought he was a good person, what did I feel about him while the entity was in possession of my mind? I never saw him again after that night.
That is where I will end this. I hope anyone who reads this very seriously considers the risk and consequences of playing with Ouija boards or dabbling in the occult without knowing what they are doing. I would not have posted this, but in the last part of my conversation with the Jewish mystic, he told me to tell my story so that others will know. Today I lead a good life again with balance and freedom. The images have stopped and apart from telling my tale about that September night, I do not think anymore of it.
I swear that everything in this is true and not embellished. These events happened just as I have described them and I have nothing to gain by lying. I only wish people to learn from the mistakes we made that night. I am also sorry to report that Crissy had unexpectedly passed away about 5 years ago from sudden onset stroke at the age of 28. R.I.P.
Written by Shelly Mitchell, Copyright 2009" by http://www.trueghosttales.com/paranormal/inviting-the-demon-a-ouija-board-story/Astral Projection Forum Thread on Gaia Online: Quote: My Grandma used to do that before she became saved in fact it is the reason she came to Christ because she watched the exorcist when it first came out and a few days later did the astral projection and when she was returning to her body found many demonic beings around her body trying to get in and the next day she went to my moms Christian neighbor and got saved. so I don't think Astral projection is a good thing to do because it invites demons into your house and leaves your body vulnerable, by Robotic Chewie19 in http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=22499265And now finally, I'm just going to jump far and away to the topic we were really meaning to discuss: How the Bible is accurate. "There have been hundreds of books written on the subject of the evidences of the divine inspiration of the Bible, and these evidences are many and varied. Most people today, unfortunately, have not read any of these books. In fact, few have even read the Bible itself! Thus, many people tend to go along with the popular delusion that the Bible is full of mistakes and is no longer relevant to our modern world.
Nevertheless the Bible writers claimed repeatedly that they were transmitting the very Word of God, infallible and authoritative in the highest degree. This is an amazing thing for any writer to say, and if the forty or so men who wrote the Scriptures were wrong in these claims, then they must have been lying, or insane, or both.
But, on the other hand, if the greatest and most influential book of the ages, containing the most beautiful literature and the most perfect moral code ever devised, was written by deceiving fanatics, then what hope is there for ever finding meaning and purpose in this world?
If one will seriously investigate these Biblical evidences, he will find that their claims of divine inspiration (stated over 3,000 times, in various ways) were amply justified.
Fulfilled Prophecies
The remarkable evidence of fulfilled prophecy is just one case in point. Hundreds of Bible prophecies have been fulfilled, specifically and meticulously, often long after the prophetic writer had passed away.
For example, Daniel the prophet predicted in about 538 BC (Daniel 9:24-27) that Christ would come as Israel's promised Savior and Prince 483 years after the Persian emperor would give the Jews authority to rebuild Jerusalem, which was then in ruins. This was clearly and definitely fulfilled, hundreds of years later.
There are extensive prophecies dealing with individual nations and cities and with the course of history in general, all of which have been literally fulfilled. More than 300 prophecies were fulfilled by Christ Himself at His first coming. Other prophecies deal with the spread of Christianity, as well as various false religions, and many other subjects.
There is no other book, ancient or modern, like this. The vague, and usually erroneous, prophecies of people like Jeanne Dixon, Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce, and others like them are not in the same category at all, and neither are other religious books such as the Koran, the Confucian Analects, and similar religious writings. Only the Bible manifests this remarkable prophetic evidence, and it does so on such a tremendous scale as to render completely absurd any explanation other than divine revelation.
Unique Historical Accuracy
The historical accuracy of the Scriptures is likewise in a class by itself, far superior to the written records of Egypt, Assyria, and other early nations. Archeological confirmations of the Biblical record have been almost innumerable in the last century. Dr. Nelson Glueck, probably the greatest modern authority on Israeli archeology, has said:
"No archeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or in exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries."
Scientific Accuracy
Another striking evidence of divine inspiration is found in the fact that many of the principles of modern science were recorded as facts of nature in the Bible long before scientist confirmed them experimentally. A sampling of these would include:
Roundness of the earth (Isaiah 40:22) Almost infinite extent of the sidereal universe (Isaiah 55:9) Law of conservation of mass and energy (II Peter 3:7) Hydrologic cycle (Ecclesiastes 1:7) Vast number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22) Law of increasing entropy (Psalm 102:25-27) Paramount importance of blood in life processes (Leviticus 17:11) Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6) Gravitational field (Job 26:7) and many others.
These are not stated in the technical jargon of modern science, of course, but in terms of the basic world of man's everyday experience; nevertheless, they are completely in accord with the most modern scientific facts.
It is significant also that no real mistake has ever been demonstrated in the Bible—in science, in history, or in any other subject. Many have been claimed, of course, but conservative Bible scholars have always been able to work out reasonable solutions to all such problems.
Unique Structure
The remarkable structure of the Bible should also be stressed. Although it is a collection of 66 books, written by 40 or more different men over a period of 2,000 years, it is clearly one Book, with perfect unity and consistency throughout.
The individual writers, at the time of writing, had no idea that their message was eventually to be incorporated into such a Book, but each nevertheless fits perfectly into place and serves its own unique purpose as a component of the whole. Anyone who diligently studies the Bible will continually find remarkable structural and mathematical patterns woven throughout its fabric, with an intricacy and symmetry incapable of explanation by chance or collusion.
The one consistent theme of the Bible, developing in grandeur from Genesis to Revelation, is God's great work in the creation and redemption of all things, through His only Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.
Bible's Unique Effect
The Bible is unique also in terms of its effect on individual men and on the history of nations. It is the all-time best seller, appealing both to hearts and minds, beloved by at least some in every race or nation or tribe to which it has gone, rich or poor, scholar or simple, king or commoner, men of literally every background and walk of life. No other book has ever held such universal appeal nor produced such lasting effects.
One final evidence that the Bible is true is found in the testimony of those who have believed it. Multitudes of people, past and present, have found from personal experience that its promises are true, its counsel is sound, its commands and restrictions are wise, and its wonderful message of salvation meets every need for both time and eternity," quoted by http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t003.htmlFor your information, here are links to other websites (I doubt you'd read them) that are evidence of the Bible's accuracy: How Accurate is the Bible?Is the Bible Reliable?More evidence but more on the stories of the Bible than the Bible itself: "Did Pontius Pilate Exist?
For years, skeptics have claimed that Pontius Pilate, the one responsible for Jesus' execution, was nothing more than a mythical figure. Is this true? And whether or not it is true, what is the significance of this? The implications of this are simple: if Pontius Pilate did not exist, then the critics are right in stating that the Bible is in error. However, if he did exist, then it proves once again that the Bible is accurate in its details. Let's begin by examining Matthew 27:2. It reads, "And when they had bound Him, they led Him away, and delivered Him to Pontius Pilate the governor." Was Pilate really a governor? Luke 3:1 seems to agree: "Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene..." Josephus and Tacitus refer to him as "procurator." But even though Josephus and Tacitus mention Pilate in their writings, the critics wanted something more -- they wanted tangible proof documenting his life. Although, that hasn't yet happened, there are several pieces of "evidence" that can be put forth in support of Pontius Pilate's existence.
In 1961, while excavating a Roman theatre near Caesarea, Dr. Frova and some Italian archaeologists discovered a stone slab which was part of the steps of the theatre. It's inscription said that it was from "Pontius Pilate, the Prefect of Judea." It read: "Tiberium, Pontius Pilate, Prefect of Judea." Some speculate that its complete inscription may have read, "Pontius Pilate, Prefect of Judea, has dedicated to the people of Caesarea a temple in honor of Tiberius," and that it was once a part of a Tiberium (temple). According to wikipedia, "the coastal town of Caesarea... was the seat of power of Iudaea during the government of Pontius Pilate," although he did have a place of residence in Jerusalem which he seldom used. It is important to note that John's use of the word "governor" incorporates both the title of "prefect" and "procurator."
Also, coins have been found that are minted in A.D. 29-31 with the name "Pontius Pilate" etched into them. It is interesting to note that Pilate was Prefect from approximately 26-36 A.D.
The critics have long pointed out that if Pilate did exist, he wouldn't have been so weak as to give in to the people's wishes and crucify Jesus. They use this to then say that the Bible is in error. However, John 19:12 tells us that the Jews were inciting a riot, and they threatened Pilate: "And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release Him: but the Jews cried out, saying, 'If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar.'" Pilate's actions make perfect sense, because he had been appointed by an official who was executed for plotting against Caesar. Naturally, then, Pilate wanted to keep the peace; he knew that if the Caesar in Rome heard about a riot, he would have Pilate's head.
The next verse in John 19, verse 13, states: "When Pilate therefore heard that saying, he brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha." Many critics thought that the Pavement didn't exist, so the Bible must be wrong. However, in his book "The Archeology of Palestine," William F. Albright identified it as the court of the Tower of Antonia. This was a Roman military headquarters, located in Jerusalem. It was destroyed in 66-70 A.D. It had since been buried, even though the city was rebuilt under Hadrian, and it was not discovered until recently.
Another thing to note is that Josephus, who mentions Pilate in his writings, was a Jewish historian. He would have paid much attention to the details of the history of his race, including who was reigning, because it was important. To add to this, the Bible predicted that "the Scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet until Shiloh (another name for God) comes, and to Him shall be the obedience of the people." When the Romans overtook Jerusalem, they took away the people's right to kill as punishment -- even if it was under their own law. The only thing they were allowed to do was sentence people to death. That is why they said, "He is guilty of death," and then they had to go to Pilate to execute the plan -- they couldn't do it, and Pilate had the power.
Also, Pilate wrote various letters that have been preserved. Whether or not they are authentic, they do show that a man named Pilate existed, and they corroborate the story of Jesus as given in the Gospels on many points.
Although the last few points don't specifically "prove" that Pilate existed, it does add weight to the matter, and it shows that the Bible is accurate in even the little details. All of the points show that Pilate was a real person who did exist," quoted by http://defendchristianfaith.blogspot.com/2009/02/did-pontius-pilate-actually-exist.htmlMore on Pilate, the Pilate Stone, the coins, etc. (including pictures) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_PilateWhat about Moses and when he divided the Red Sea? Did the Red Sea Crossing actually take place? http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htmThe Non-Biblical References to Jesus Christ's Existence: "Do Other Nonbiblical Sources Confirm Jesus Christ's Existence? Many people assume that, apart from the Bible, history is silent concerning Jesus of Nazareth. But in fact, several independent witnesses testify of Jesus' existence. Let's notice a few.
Testimony from the Romans
Cornelius Tacitus (ca. 56-120) was a Roman senator, consul and governor of the Roman province of Anatolia (covering most of modern-day Turkey) as well as one of ancient Rome's greatest historians. Late in his life he wrote a 16-volume history of the Roman emperors, the Annals.
No friend to either Nero or Christians, Tacitus writes that Nero blamed "a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace." He goes on to explain that "Christus [Christ], from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty [crucifixion] during the reign of Tiberius at the hand of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome ..." (Annals, 15:44, quoted by Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ, 1998, p. 82).
A contemporary of Tacitus, Caius Suetonius Tranquillus (ca. 69-140), overseer of Rome's libraries and court official to several emperors, writes that the emperor Claudius "banished the Jews from Rome, who were continually making disturbances, Chrestus [Christ] being their leader" (Lives of the First Twelve Caesars: Life of Claudius, quoted by Grant Jeffrey, Jesus: The Great Debate, 1999, p. 163). This banishment of Jews from Rome is mentioned in Acts:18:2.
Also, "Pliny the younger, the Roman legate of Bithynia-Pontus (what is now north-central Turkey) in the early second century, wrote to the emperor Trajan, requesting advice on how to deal with Christians who refused to reverence Caesar's image. Pliny noted that these Christians met regularly and sang hymns 'to Christ as if to a god' (Letters 10:96.7). The phrase 'as if to a God' suggests that Pliny knew Jesus had been a person who had lived on earth but was reluctant to call him divine" (Craig Blomberg, The Historical Reliability of the Gospels, 1987, p. 196).
From these historical sources, none connected in any way with the Bible, we see references to these facts:
• A group called "Christians" derived its name from "Christus" (Christ). • This "Christus" was executed during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of Pontius Pilate (Tiberius reigned A.D. 14-37; Pilate held office from 26 to 36 or 37). • This new movement involved "a most mischievous superstition," quite possibly a reference to Christians' belief that Jesus rose from the dead after His crucifixion. • This new movement begun by Christians began in Judea and spread to Rome. • Early Christians considered Christ to be a divine Being.
Testimony from Josephus
Flavius Josephus, a prominent Jewish historian of the first century, is well known to historians and scholars. Born into a priestly family in A.D. 37, Josephus was well educated and commanded a Jewish detachment in Galilee during the Jewish revolt of 66-70 until his capture by the Romans. At the end of the war he went to Rome with the Roman general Titus, where he lived and wrote until his death about A.D. 100.
Josephus twice mentions Jesus in his monumental work Antiquities of the Jews, written A.D. 90-95. His most extensive quote reads:
"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,—a teacher of such men as received the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day" (Antiquities, Book 18, chapter 3, section 3).
While many scholars dispute parts or all of the passage, it is quoted as above by the historian Eusebius as early as 315.
A second mention of Jesus by Josephus is seldom disputed by scholars. It concerns the martyrdom of James, His half brother: "Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of the judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others [or some of his companions;] and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned ..." (Antiquities, 20:9:1).
Another prominent figure from the Gospels mentioned by Josephus is John the Baptizer: "Herod, who feared lest the great influence John had over the people might put it into his power and inclination to raise a rebellion,...thought it best, by putting him to death, to prevent any mischief he might cause...Accordingly he was sent a prisoner, out of Herod's suspicious temper, to Macherus,...and was there put to death" (Antiquities, 18:5:2).
Although Josephus was never a Christian, in his works we find mention of many other figures from the Gospels and other New Testament books. These include the family of the Herods; the Judean procurators and members of the high priestly families. His books, like the writings of the Roman historians and officials, provide powerful independent corroboration of the historical accuracy of the Gospels and the existence of Jesus Christ," quoted by http://www.ucg.org/booklet/jesus-christ-real-story/did-jesus-really-die-and-live-again/do-other-nonbiblical-sources-con/
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:33 am
Dramatica Angeliqua Pimpledrip Dramatica Angeliqua Pimpledrip Hun trust me the top 1% don't want a new goverment, they love it the way it is. They're the top 1% in this goverment. And devil worship yawwwn, you know who does devil worship, angry teenagers trying to freak out their parents (still got some crosses and pentagrams from that era of my life- great for halloween), but honestly satan worship isn't anything more than a very fun and sucessfull attempt to freak out old people and devaut believers. Yeah the chips maybe coming, honestly a great idea no more losing my vallet. But what do you really think the devil will accomplish by making chips? making our lives easier? put pickpockets out of buissines? we are all alredy registerd somewhere. Hell if you're baptised you're in church archives, and you can't get out of that, you can always pull the chip out. Mind control watch much of sci fy channel lately? tho I guess it is possible on some level we're all aware of the stockholm syndrome, or how heavy indoctrination can make you completely unable to be reasoned with. and about those croses in the sky, airplanes use fuel, what you are seeing is exaust. Just like cars only a lot more... and you're right it is toxic, such is the price of high speed travel. Keep an open mind and don't worry about satanic cults. happy end of the world Omg you really need to wake up. How ignorant can you get? For your information, I did personal research on this stuff, and you haven't. You really don't know anything; you just think you do and enjoy making fun of other people from what I can see. Why not google "Georgia Guidestones" and "chemtrails". Or are you just too lazy to wake up from your fantasy land? Think the Matrix movie. Our sweet, peaceful world is not real. But if you choose to have this unaware mindset of what is currently happening today, your life is going to crash around you. You aren't taking matters seriously when in fact you should. If you're a Christian (from how you respond, I doubt it), then you're going to face Holocaust III. And to think that the microchips would be great... if you want to betray God and have no way back, then by all means do as you wish and regret your bad decisions later when you don't find yourself in heaven. If you believe in heaven, that is... I doubt it from what you've said here to me (cough cough narrow-minded) Georgia Guidestones let me guess you believe it's the anti christs commandments? You're right anti christ really doesn't want useless officials or petty laws. And chemtrails, hun those planes fly everwhere so even the people that supposedly made it happen would be getting it in their system... Or if you'll argue they have anti toxin, so they can survive, hello if they kill the rest of people they'd have to grow their own food, make their own clothes... top 1 precent doesn't wanna do hard laybor. That's 1 lame conspiricy theory and I love conspiricy theories. And ya I'm not a christian duuh I've been trying to act like sceptical cristian, but ever sence the fight with the idiot owner of the guild i stopped bothering with it. I don't believe in god so threatning me with devine punishment is like me threatning you with the boogy man. You call me narrow minded but guess what I read the bible, I read the quran, I've studied egiptian, norse and greek mithology. And to tell you the truth, I find goldilocks more believeable than the bible, at least you can prove the existance of bears. I know what's happening, i'm aware of the s**t that's going on but a magical sky daddy wont save us, we have to do it ourselfs. To think that the laws of nature are effected by whalings and encantations is absurd so as long as people think praying is all they need to do to world will continue to go to ( a methaphorical ) hell. You wake up, and think, hun, just consider all the evidence that has piled up againts your precious bible. If you can read the entire comic and still tell me that the bible is accurate, I'll shut up.If you are not a Christian, why are you in this guild? Get out unless you are seriously asking for some ugly debate on whether or not God exists. And seems to me you love acting ugly because you have nothing better to do in life. The moderator had a very good reason to ban your other Gaian account: he found something you were doing or saying to be unpleasant. confused And yes, the Bible is 100% accurate despite the comic, which, by the way, is to mock the Christian religion. Oh I'm begging for an ugly debate, it's like a new sport. And bible is 100% accurate, oh I never debated a bible literalist before. So sence it's completely true you gree that unruly children should be taken to the edge of town and stoned to death ( wow you're saying you never misbehaved )? And even tho you love astronomy, you know that earth is supporeted by pillars on the back of a giant turttle? wow girl you alredy lost. Btw I'm here trying to help kids who've been badly brainwashed to think for themselves. Just like my friend did for me. I hated it at first but now I'm grateful.
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Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:51 am
Hun I was a christian, and I'm still friends with some christians, but far more reasnoble denomination than you of course. The thing is my friend challenged my believes and showed me 100 errors, so in order to shut her up I started doing reasearch into science but I pretty soon realised she was right. And the horrors religion causes to this day are unbelievable. Blaiming ADIS on gays (which i'm sure you're gonna do at some point) is ridicilous, ADIS transmits in straight sex as well, and it doesn't care about marital status eighter. Actually christianity spreads ADIS, christianity disses condoms and in some parts even preaches that circumsizion prevents ADIS which is a load of bull!!! So it's not a gay problem it's a christian problem. And I get the sence you're going to try to defend your believes with dreams. I had a dream about aliens once, I was their queen! So according to you that proves that aliens exist right. Cuz if it doesn't, than all your dreams are null and void as well.
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