Hot Topic : Your views?

[maeanalda]

In discussion:

namida_no_chi

You can't just take one word, call yourself that, and portray something totally unlike it without showing a large degree of ignorance.

I agree definitly, in my opinion where HT is described as having the goth clothes, and I'll admit they have a few, it doesn't trun everything else in the place into 'goth' clothing.

The biggest trouble I see in it all is what fashion is based off of what gets misconstrewed, and confused with what is popular, after all a person is not a 'goth' their clothes are, so it doesn't make tinkerbell a symbol of the 'goth' culture if someone who calls them selves a 'goth' wears her on a black t-shirt.


To clarify a little on what I mean:

Goth and gothic are different and yes they are labels, not for people for the clothing people wear.
Goth is a modernized version of Gothic, bondage pants, black shirts, heavy meatals worn, the style itself origionated from 'goth' bands and their performers and followers.
Gothic is best described in any Anee Rice vampire novel. Morticia Addams, Lilly Munster, are a few television referances. Complete refferance in style being to; things inspired my the middle ages, and renasance era's normally made with darker undertones, however that is meerly a generalization.
Elegant Gothic Lolita- Where much of this clothing style has renassance and later undertones, (the ruffles, the layers, the underthings) they do not portray what society considers gothic. (In personel opinion Anne Rice and the Addam's family are partically to blame for this) EGl, is gothic, hence the title however it is literal, much like in the goth era of origional fashion colors are mostly bright, and cheerful (I.E. 1800's dresses in comparison to B,TSSB Dresses and accesories.)

Punk/cyber/whatever else, can be subcategoried as a part og this and that 'goth' however when you sub category you may notice that most times gothic is dropped. (I.E.-Punk Lolita, Sweet Lolita, Wai-Lolita)

Now if someone wants to prettify those statements feel free to go right ahead and do it, pictures would be nice as well.. (most of this was taken from a friends final in fashion studies in New York, but as it's part of her grade, I did my best to rewords and paraphrase where necessary.) I'm beginning to think it would be nice to have a referance thread as a stickie, or maybe announcement, something to be used on such and argumentive ocasion.

Nadima hit is square on the head, EGL is gothic, HT 'gothic' is simply goth from the style of rock bands in the 80's.

I would like to state that we are a literate guild, so labeling everything goth becasue you don't want the two letters at the end is just going to get you flames (yes it's against the rules, no I'm not an oracle i can't stop it before hand.)

Anything else to cover:
HT as a company tries to prevent calling things goth, however many of their items touch base in more than one category I.E. the bondage choker is goth, however on a proper kadona could be very gothic.

Now for the fun fun mod stuff:

This thread was created with the statement as for opinions, opinions are being given.
We will not call other users whinney for stating and literatly defending their opinions.
if you discover you are wrong about something live with it. The subject of Hot Topic is a touchy one here but it's a good one, where pretty much everyone agree's it's not Hot Topic's fault people are ignorant, there are still personel opinions on it. And to restate, you can't ask an opinion, and then insult someone for having the different opinoin than yourslef, thats hypocritical, and definitly wrong to do to someone.

Now I could say you need to apologize for this and that and threaten thread bannishment and all, but we were all told that as children and the muttered I'm sorry didn't amount to a grain of sand on the moon. And i think it's condecending to do so. However if there is anymore bickering away from a discussion (defending yourself in the effort to prove your point is debating not bickering, sideswept comments about a direct person is bickering.) than I will simply delete your post, and if it continues you will be banned. I don't see anyone here reunning to getting banned over something as little as this, however I know that blood runs high when it's matters you believe in, so please lets just be 'adult' about all of this.

Where as I hope this covers all of the things I have noticed in here, I do find the topic of interest, espically with the way it's widening, and as I may have already stated would like a little help in creating a special place for a few direct definitions of styles and such for referance to the society. Interested pm me.

~Mae