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 Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:20 pm
Quote: anyway where can i get a fighter R&D sheet?
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:23 pm
Hey moon mind joining the Air Force, youre being quite a help. and i find MAHQ good for Gundam info really, if you want macross intel, try the Macross Mecha Manual it is considerably accurate in its information, (that and i know one of the guys who helped contribute and run it)
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:32 pm
Archer_Jack Hey moon mind joining the Air Force, youre being quite a help. and i find MAHQ good for Gundam info really, if you want macross intel, try the Macross Mecha Manual it is considerably accurate in its information, (that and i know one of the guys who helped contribute and run it) Sure ill Join, Well Can you help me on my Guild? Tell me if its a little much to ask.....><
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:36 pm
what do you need help with? and i'll certainly join.
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:37 pm
R&D Sheet?
And, also, as I was saying...
A plane needs a really long run way, not becuase of their design, but becuase your stopping a 60,000 pound + plain going over 600 mph.
If we calculate the amount of energy it takes to stop an F-35 landing at roughly 160 miles per hour (It's maximum "Low-Speed", that is the speed it can fly safely without crashing or simply falling to the ground), that is using the basic physics equation 1/2(M)(V^2), that uses 1/2((Kilograms)(Meters per second Squared)), we get the Mass of the Plane (27,000 Kg) traveling at 71 m/s (160mph), then we get that is takes roughly 68,053,500 joules to stop an F-35 traveling at it's potentially lowest speed (although it usually cannot fly that slow, as it's wobbling and on a downward slope, and a person needs to be flying well over the minimum low speed to be safe), which is roughly equal to 40,031 .223 rounds going off at the same time.
If, we take a super light plane, say the F-16 (Designed to be a "Super Light Fighter") and clock it at going roughly the same speed, with it being 8,570 kg, we get 21,600,685 joules. Even if the plane hits the ground going 60 mph, 3,046,349 Joules, which is roughly equivalent to 1791 .223 rounds be fired at once, without any restraints.
To put simply, an empty F16 (assuming it's empty on fuel) going 10 mph produces roughly 84,000 joules, more than a 30mm round. Even if it was half that weight it would still be hitting the ground harder than a 20mm round- and 20 and 30mm rounds can tear the s**t out of planes.
And you know the massive numbers reach thousands time that. That's becuase velocity is SQUARED, so 100 mph isn't 10 times more powerful than 10 mph, it's 100 times more powerful. And reasonable speeds, as previously indicated, are at MINIMUM, 160 miles per hour.
So no, your gundamn thingy can't land immediately without a runway without tearing itself to s**t- plane crashes happen all the time at speeds going 200 miles per hour against the ground and the planes explode and get torn to pieces. What makes you think that two robotical legs will be able to stop it "All of the sudden".
And to answer another possible question, airplane tires require 20-30 plyes plastic (compared to 1-3 for car tires) and they need replacement every 20 or so landings. Which is partly why maintenance is so high.
And even induced a much lower but still jerky landing time, it would put high stresses on the vehicle, potentially damaging it every time it landed. And VOTL landings happen in a very slow amount of time, due to the fact that it takes a considerable amount of time to diffuse all the energy (reducing the power output).
For instance, if you calculate the amount of space is required to stop a plane going 160 mph in an amount of time equaling 10 seconds, you get that it takes roughly 355 meters to stop a plane, or .22 miles. Although it takes much longer than this and no plane flies going 160 mph.
Your idea is great, but the application sucks. It just breaks basic physics...
Recap!
In short-
68,053,500 joules minimum energy to stop an F-35
21,600,685 joules minimum energy to stop an F-16
Even if the F16 hits the ground going 60 mph, 3,046,349 Joules
.22 miles to of space to stop a plane going 160 mph in 10 seconds
To put simply, an empty F16 (assuming it's empty on fuel) going 10 mph produces roughly 84,000 joules, more than a 30mm round.
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:47 pm
 Labors, They dont need boosters. There is models in paratrooper Application as well.
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:53 pm
My above post is considering that gundamns, with useless heads and useless swords and useless light bulbs that somehow magically turn a very complicated plane that have gigantic engine blocks seen NOWHERE on the gundams AND that have gigantic computers, oxygen containers, and various other incompressible integral materials...
Somehow turning in land fighting mechs; land fighting mechs that haven't even been invented yet. When considering all that goes into a gundam, or a transformer, or whatever...
The physics say it's impossible. xp
But, the concept is still there. Multi-role multiple terrain close support FLYING and GROUND units. So...
Let's make an ideally designed, reasonable, realistic, Multi-role multiple terrain close support flying and ground unit.
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:59 pm
Too say, You would need new types of materials. A Battery of some sort may work. Who knows how big, EGAD. The idea from Eva is a dumb idea. Id say Stick a Walking tank. 
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:04 pm
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 11:27 pm
No, what do walking tanks provide? Better mobility, perhaps, but at the reduction of protection- not simply becuase the legs would be unprotected, but becuase it would be high off the ground; and if it wasn't high off the ground, then it wouldn't be very mobile (as it wouldn't be able to just cross over terrain). Secondly, it wouldn't use two legs, something more like 4-8, as two is highly unbalanced- and if we found a way to balance it, say using gigantic gyroscopic stabilizers, it would need constant power to stay afloat, especially when it was "Turned off", when you could just use a 4-8 legged program. Thirdly, the fastest walking vehicle at the moment ( Mondo Spider!) can't beat a lawnmower in a race. Assuming it could, and beat it going 4-6 times faster at a steady pace... it would only be going 7.2 m/s, or 16.2 mph (this of course, removing the aspect of weight, extra ammunition and materials, and all that jazz). Fourthly, we already have tracked and wheeled vehicles that can do this, and travel a lot faster which a much high weight dispersion (compared to outstretched and tiny linear energy legs) and over-all are more advanced at the moment and could easily carry a higher payload- even if we got a walker up to a reasonable amount using higher strength material, a land vehicle could get much more. But where does the mech idea stem from? Humans coated in armor- not just any armor, robotical, high strength, strength and speed and physical ability increasing armor. A human with a super suit. So, rather than make an impractical over-sized robot, lets make a human suit- that carries out the "Mech idea". As for the land air unit, I'm all ears.
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:17 pm
Just kow if we DO make it an armor, AF only razz
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:02 pm
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:30 am
Hmmm,how obsolete....none of those Mechanized Fighting Systems would never match the superiority of a Seventh (+) Generation Knightmare Frame(s):
Behold,the Z-01Z Lancelot Albion
General characteristics
Height: 5.15 meters
Weight: 9.12 metric tons
Power Source: Yggdrasil Drive, Energy Filler
Design Features
Energy Wing propulsion system
Landspinner propulsion system
Armament
4x Slash Harken
2x Blaze Luminous MSV particle shield
2x Maser Vibration Sword (MVS)
Optional Armaments
2x Super V.A.R.I.S. (Variable Ammunition Repulsion Impact Spitfire/hadron cannon) rifle
Or the Type-02/F1A Guren Mk II
General characteristics
Height: 4.51 meters
Weight: 8.50 metric tons
Power Source: Yggdrasil Drive, Energy Filler
Design Features
Landspinner propulsion system
Cockpit Ejection system
Integrated Air Glide Wing System
Armament
1x Right arm-inbuilt Armor-piercing Bombardment-type Radiation Wave unit
1x Slash Harken
1x Left-arm mounted custom Hand Gun
1x Fork knife
1x 12-tube Missile Launcher (alternatively loaded with Gefjun Net Unit × 12 or chaff smoke bombs)
And I suppose for ground troops, you could use these models of your choosing:
Type-10R Burai
General characteristics
Height: 4.56 meters
Weight: 7.53 metric tones
Power Source: Yggdrasil Drive, Energy Filler
Design Features
Cockpit ejection system
Factsphere sensor
Landspinner propulsion system
Armament
2x Slash Harken
1x Assault Rifle
2x Protector
Optional Armaments
Wrist Mounted Quad Missile Launchers
Akatsuki Command Model
General characteristics
Height: 4.81 meters
Weight: 8.26 metric tons (9.25 metric tons in Flight-Enabled Version)
Power Source: Yggdrasil Drive, Energy Filler
Design Features
Kou Kisou Kudourin-type Landspinner propulsion system (高機走駆動輪 lit. High Mechanical Run Driving Wheel)
Optional Air Glide Wing System
Cockpit Ejection System
Radiation Wave-based shielding
Armament
Hien Souga-type Slash Harken × 1 (飛燕爪牙, lit. Flying Swallow Nail Fang - スラッシュハーケン, Surasshuhāken)
Katen Yaibatou × 1 (廻転刃刀, Katen Yaibatou) (lit. "Revolving-Blade Sword")
Chest-mounted machine gun turrets × 2
Optional Armaments
Right arm-mounted 2-barrel Hand Gun
Left arm-mounted bazooka
Right arm-mounted Radiation Wave missiles x 3
12-tube Missile Launcher
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:53 am
Come to think of it.....these Mechs are actually underway through the experiments of the U.S. Military.....there was actually a scientist who made a robot that can be piloted into in order to lift heavy objects....its basically a 2nd generation robot...soon to become something that the military can use for war none-the-less....Hmmm,i'll see if i can find the article because this robot was actually on the news and year or two ago
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:22 am
Or we could go for the original gundam series's Ball
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