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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 8:50 am
Naito_Mitsukai Hehe, no M'Lady, I don't agree with their 'Nothin' but a cloak, or back to the city with ye' remark (yes, I know I'm over-exagerating you're comment guys, but it's just more fun that way wink ). I simply stating my life-style! xd Though I can agree with the 'not wanting the bugs crawling all over' - I personally hate that! xd But the way I see it - Ignorance is bliss! Don't think about it, hopefully they won't bother me! 3nodding heart Ahhh... I wish I could go with the ignorance is bliss idea... unfortunately, I tend to sleep rather lightly at events. Probably because I usually camp in the loud section. Funny how that works... rolleyes
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:54 pm
LittleGreenGirl Naito_Mitsukai Hehe, no M'Lady, I don't agree with their 'Nothin' but a cloak, or back to the city with ye' remark (yes, I know I'm over-exagerating you're comment guys, but it's just more fun that way wink ). I simply stating my life-style! xd Though I can agree with the 'not wanting the bugs crawling all over' - I personally hate that! xd But the way I see it - Ignorance is bliss! Don't think about it, hopefully they won't bother me! 3nodding heart Ahhh... I wish I could go with the ignorance is bliss idea... unfortunately, I tend to sleep rather lightly at events. Probably because I usually camp in the loud section. Funny how that works... rolleyes Theres no such thing as a quiet section....at least at the events I go to. And I don't care about most bugs and animals but I absolutely hate spiders though I do just figure it comes with camping and I'd rather avoid certain people at events than any ammount of bugs LOL.
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Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:03 pm
Oh I don't think you should always hard core rough it. I mean hell. I take a full sized bed that is a foot off the ground with a futon mattress and comforter to war. *laughs*
Just don't complain if you go camping and bugs are on you. Its part of being camping. Don't like it then either don't go or deal.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:25 am
Sure, there will be bugs, I'll do what I can to minimumize my exposure to them at night though (at least while I'm asleep). I doubt anyone is completely authentic at any event, everyone makes compromizes. For me one of them is my tent. It will be easy to set up, block rain as much as possible, and something I won't get too upset about replacing if I accidently damage it when trying to get into or out of it while drunk. Also nylon is a great material as it is fairly easy to get the smell of vomit out of.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:38 am
*chuckles* Please don't mistake my "grrrr"-ness to being actually upset. I just think its funny that people don't like dealing with bugs while camping. 4laugh But Like we all have said, it comes with the territory.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:52 am
I'm perfectly willing to put up with bugs while camping, just not while camping at sca events. When we get a group of people from Rockhaven at an event we also have a camp kitchen set up with sinks for washing dishes in and all. We don't exactly rough it. Sleeping in a tent of any form is only part of the experience for me. The parties I come stumbling back to it from are far more important. Besides, if I had put alot of work into making a period tent I'd be far more upset about my ex-wife not giving it back to me then I am over a $50 walmart cabin tent.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:56 am
CassiusD I'm perfectly willing to put up with bugs while camping, just not while camping at sca events. When we get a group of people from Rockhaven at an event we also have a camp kitchen set up with sinks for washing dishes in and all. We don't exactly rough it. Sleeping in a tent of any form is only part of the experience for me. The parties I come stumbling back to it from are far more important. Besides, if I had put alot of work into making a period tent I'd be far more upset about my ex-wife not giving it back to me then I am over a $50 walmart cabin tent. Ouch dude, bitter much? *he shakes his head* But "parties" are not what the SCA is all about. One of my biggest problems is that the SCA is slowly turning into this place where all these kids come and say: "Free beer and sex!" I'm sorry, what ever happened to chivalry, honor, study, history? *shakes his head again* I like camping in period gear and making intresting house set-ups so that people who do come and "party" with us, (or study, or come to one of our classes, or etc.) can enjoy a mideval ambiance and feel. *shrugs* I guess theres alot of people who don't see it that way, but thats how I'm going to play the game. Oh, and as for roughing it, we don't do that ether so much. We do it as much as possible to keep with the mideval feel. But, above all, we make sure that our kitchens and bodys are safe and healthy first. And that means up to date kitchen gear and first aid supplys. My house-healer is a field medic in the army and we use HIS gear. ~Master Elexi Stormcrow ~Commander of the Drakkenguard
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:05 am
Chibbi_Satan CassiusD I'm perfectly willing to put up with bugs while camping, just not while camping at sca events. When we get a group of people from Rockhaven at an event we also have a camp kitchen set up with sinks for washing dishes in and all. We don't exactly rough it. Sleeping in a tent of any form is only part of the experience for me. The parties I come stumbling back to it from are far more important. Besides, if I had put alot of work into making a period tent I'd be far more upset about my ex-wife not giving it back to me then I am over a $50 walmart cabin tent. Ouch dude, bitter much? *he shakes his head* But "parties" are not what the SCA is all about. One of my biggest problems is that the SCA is slowly turning into this place where all these kids come and say: "Free beer and sex!" I'm sorry, what ever happened to chivalry, honor, study, history? *shakes his head again* I like camping in period gear and making intresting house set-ups so that people who do come and "party" with us, (or study, or come to one of our classes, or etc.) can enjoy a mideval ambiance and feel. *shrugs* I guess theres alot of people who don't see it that way, but thats how I'm going to play the game. Oh, and as for roughing it, we don't do that ether so much. We do it as much as possible to keep with the mideval feel. But, above all, we make sure that our kitchens and bodys are safe and healthy first. And that means up to date kitchen gear and first aid supplys. My house-healer is a field medic in the army and we use HIS gear. ~Master Elexi Stormcrow ~Commander of the Drakkenguard Parties may not be what the sca is about but they are there and there's often many good things to sample. Besides, I did an experiment at Warriors and Warlords this year, one night I stayed at the camp sight, the other night I went to a party and got drunk. I slept better the night of the party and felt better the next day. The history and study are fun, honor and chivalry have just never been part of it I play significantly. In the end for me the sca is mostly about human interaction. One of the most important things I'm learning at events is how to deal with social anxiety disorder in large group situations. Having a period tent just isn't all that important for me. Now, when I get a new tent if I happen to see something that is vaguely period looking I'll get it but I'm not spending a small fortune something fancy and chances are I won't be making one either. Everyone has different priorities, this is way low on my list.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:20 pm
CassiusD Parties may not be what the sca is about but they are there and there's often many good things to sample. Besides, I did an experiment at Warriors and Warlords this year, one night I stayed at the camp sight, the other night I went to a party and got drunk. I slept better the night of the party and felt better the next day. The history and study are fun, honor and chivalry have just never been part of it I play significantly. In the end for me the sca is mostly about human interaction. One of the most important things I'm learning at events is how to deal with social anxiety disorder in large group situations. Having a period tent just isn't all that important for me. Now, when I get a new tent if I happen to see something that is vaguely period looking I'll get it but I'm not spending a small fortune something fancy and chances are I won't be making one either. Everyone has different priorities, this is way low on my list. Well, my last comment was not about period tents, Cassius. But none the less, with or without period tents, the SCA was once something of greatness that has slowly been going down the toilet over the years. The point of the SCA is to be a sort of historical creative play...a drama if you will...that mirrors life of a mideval bent. It saddens me to see these little kids, as well as adults, portray that it is just a place to go get drunk and laid, rather than a place to learn about the wonderful things of culture and history. This complaint mirrors a problem I have with everyday life. Chivalry is a dead art to most people, not to mention being kind to others and having honor in ones on work or play, or interactions with women (and/or men). The SCA was once a place that bolstered those idea's and proved that these things still stood for something. Now...well...it feels as if its slowly dying out. Regardless, I'm done with this area of subject about the SCA. I am sorry to "stir the pot" as such, and hope you understand there was no offence ment or taken. ~Master Elexi Stormcrow ~Commander of the Drakkenguard
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:31 pm
Quote: Well, my last comment was not about period tents, Cassius. But none the less, with or without period tents, the SCA was once something of greatness that has slowly been going down the toilet over the years. The point of the SCA is to be a sort of historical creative play...a drama if you will...that mirrors life of a mideval bent. It saddens me to see these little kids, as well as adults, portray that it is just a place to go get drunk and laid, rather than a place to learn about the wonderful things of culture and history. This complaint mirrors a problem I have with everyday life. Chivalry is a dead art to most people, not to mention being kind to others and having honor in ones on work or play, or interactions with women (and/or men). The SCA was once a place that bolstered those idea's and proved that these things still stood for something. Now...well...it feels as if its slowly dying out. Regardless, I'm done with this area of subject about the SCA. I am sorry to "stir the pot" as such, and hope you understand there was no offence ment or taken. ~Master Elexi Stormcrow ~Commander of the Drakkenguard Looks like its my turn to agree with you Master Elexi. I'm an outspoken a** though so I'll say what you were nice enough not to say. Want social interaction and to act like an a** go to the ren fairs. This is an educational organization. Not a frat party in funny clothes. We are here for the medieval feel. This is a group that is supposed to promote chivalry, honor and learning about the middle ages. I can understand not wanting to spend a fortune on a period tent. They are expensive. They are also far more attractive and a metric s**t-load cooler then a nylon oven. I have seen a person bake a pizza in their nylon tent at pennsic in about 2 hours. My canvas wedge was nice and cool all day. Want a floor in a canvas tent? Simple. Build a frame that is a few inches smaller then the "footprint" of your tent. Say about 2-3 inches high. Get a a standard blue plastic tarp that is a bit large. Double its edges over and staple the tarp to the frame. Cover the tarp in cheap rugs from some place like big lots. Beautiful, comfy floor. Total cost? About 40 bucks! Sure thats 40 bucks you don't have to spend but its 40 bucks that makes it so when anyone sees inside your tent they go "Oh damn! That is awesome!"
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:46 pm
Snaebjorn Quote: Well, my last comment was not about period tents, Cassius. But none the less, with or without period tents, the SCA was once something of greatness that has slowly been going down the toilet over the years. The point of the SCA is to be a sort of historical creative play...a drama if you will...that mirrors life of a mideval bent. It saddens me to see these little kids, as well as adults, portray that it is just a place to go get drunk and laid, rather than a place to learn about the wonderful things of culture and history. This complaint mirrors a problem I have with everyday life. Chivalry is a dead art to most people, not to mention being kind to others and having honor in ones on work or play, or interactions with women (and/or men). The SCA was once a place that bolstered those idea's and proved that these things still stood for something. Now...well...it feels as if its slowly dying out. Regardless, I'm done with this area of subject about the SCA. I am sorry to "stir the pot" as such, and hope you understand there was no offence ment or taken. ~Master Elexi Stormcrow ~Commander of the Drakkenguard Looks like its my turn to agree with you Master Elexi. I'm an outspoken a** though so I'll say what you were nice enough not to say. Want social interaction and to act like an a** go to the ren fairs. This is an educational organization. Not a frat party in funny clothes. We are here for the medieval feel. This is a group that is supposed to promote chivalry, honor and learning about the middle ages. I can understand not wanting to spend a fortune on a period tent. They are expensive. They are also far more attractive and a metric s**t-load cooler then a nylon oven. I have seen a person bake a pizza in their nylon tent at pennsic in about 2 hours. My canvas wedge was nice and cool all day. Want a floor in a canvas tent? Simple. Build a frame that is a few inches smaller then the "footprint" of your tent. Say about 2-3 inches high. Get a a standard blue plastic tarp that is a bit large. Double its edges over and staple the tarp to the frame. Cover the tarp in cheap rugs from some place like big lots. Beautiful, comfy floor. Total cost? About 40 bucks! Sure thats 40 bucks you don't have to spend but its 40 bucks that makes it so when anyone sees inside your tent they go "Oh damn! That is awesome!" Since when is getting drunk and acting like an a** the same thing? Acting like an a** is a totally different thing. If someone is an a** they'll be an a** wether they're drunk or not, they'll just be a bit more of an annoying a** if they're drunk. Also learning and drinking arn't exclusive either. You can learn and still drink at the parties, the majority of learning, for me at least, is before I leave for any event. Even at the events most classes are during the day, not at night when the parties are. Sure, I end up stumbling back to my tent, so far noone who has seen me drunk has said anything about me making an a** of myself though. I mean ever, not just at sca events. Drinking mellows me a bit and I enjoy the parties. I have to admit I hadn't thought about the difference is heat between nylon and canvas tents. Considering the problems i have with heat maybe a canvas tent would be a good idea. Is canvas rain proof though? If not can you spray it with tent sealant without ruining the heat difference? I may make a basic canvas A frame. It most likely won't be this year due to expenses, with the divorce I'll most likely just get a cheap dome tent for this summer. Replacing my garb and fencing gear are my priorities right now. Making a tent could be a project for next winter though.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:46 pm
Excuse me M'lords,
Before this gets any farther - and before anyone else responds to any other replies, please allow me to try and reason slightly! sweatdrop heart
~Deep breath~
Okay, (and yes, I know that I've just let myself wide open for all-round hatings, but you know, I'd prefer to try and reason this out, and get burned - then to let this go on)
Cassius - you have to understand, that most people on here have not met you. So when you said that the tent period-ness doesn't matter to you, and ~allow me to quote you~ 'honor and chivalry have just never been part of it I play significantly.", and other such things - this is all they know of you. They can only come to their own conclusions about you really from what you post. And if the SCA's main focus for them is the very thing that you say hasn't really been a big part from you, you have to expect them to gasp and wonder where exactly you're playing. Right? And because of all this, and yes some of their reactions may be quite blunt - you can't take immediate offence to it. That just adds fuel to the fire, as you respond to their replies, and then theirs to yours and it gets out of hand! crying
Snaebjorn - I love yeah for being one of the guys that jokes around with me on a regular basis on this thread - but drop the ego at the door M'lord xd heart Please? Not so much ALL the ego, some of that ego is very lovable, just the aggressive part that argues a lot! wink heart And you must keep in mind that M'lord Cassius may not word everything as well as he intends you, and that what you read may not be his actual view on the SCA, and that if you read with a pre-determined notion of Cassius, then that's all you'll get from what he writes, rather then what he's trying to write, yes? sweatdrop heart
Chibbi_Satan, Master Elexi, M'lord - wink I commend you're chivalry throughout this ordeal! And my thanks! heart heart But as I've just said to Snaebjorn, you have to keep in mind that his views may be different then what he writes. Sometimes it's hard to get the right words out, and just when you think you have it - they're interpreted differently, and it's something completely different then what you meant. 3nodding So keep in mind, that it may not me CASSIUS, so much as his wording. 3nodding heart heart
Now, all that being said ... May we bury this hatchet? heart sweatdrop Forgive, forget, and move on; in chivalry and in respect?
(And if I said something that offended anyone, I sincerely apologize. But please pm me rather then dragging it out in public view? biggrin heart I personally have no problem with hate mail! 3nodding heart )
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 4:52 pm
CassiusD I have to admit I hadn't thought about the difference is heat between nylon and canvas tents. Considering the problems i have with heat maybe a canvas tent would be a good idea. Is canvas rain proof though? If not can you spray it with tent sealant without ruining the heat difference? I may make a basic canvas A frame. It most likely won't be this year due to expenses, with the divorce I'll most likely just get a cheap dome tent for this summer. Replacing my garb and fencing gear are my priorities right now. Making a tent could be a project for next winter though. Hmm, *don't quote me on this for I may very well be wrong .. but* I believe it can be sprayed to make it rain-proof, if it isn't already. Being from Cae Mor, I've had many expiriences water-proofing material! (My actual town is called Kitimat, and it's original spelling 'Kitamaat' is native for 'people of the snow', and since it doesn't snow all year round - it should REALLY be changed to people of the rain stare but anyways) I've found with enough spray most materials become water-resistant, if not water-proof. Also, if that doesn't work, there's always lining it on the inside with something that is water-proof. You get the look, without the wet that way! 3nodding heart
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:08 pm
Naito_Mitsukai Excuse me M'lords, Cassius - you have to understand, that most people on here have not met you. So when you said that the tent period-ness doesn't matter to you, and ~allow me to quote you~ 'honor and chivalry have just never been part of it I play significantly.", and other such things - this is all they know of you. They can only come to their own conclusions about you really from what you post. And if the SCA's main focus for them is the very thing that you say hasn't really been a big part from you, you have to expect them to gasp and wonder where exactly you're playing. Right? And because of all this, and yes some of their reactions may be quite blunt - you can't take immediate offence to it. That just adds fuel to the fire, as you respond to their replies, and then theirs to yours and it gets out of hand! crying You're right. I suppose I should have explained something from the beginning too, I just don't think about it. The honor and chivalry part isn't important to me for a reason, what many people consider honor and chivalry I consider common courtesy. I don't go out of my way to do it because behaving with a certain degree of civility is just how I was raised. I don't get into the fancy, flowery speech that I've heard some people use along with it either because I just tend to be a blunt, straightforward person. I've been told when fighting I am honorable but to me it's just being myself. For example, I've taken hands when fencing people much better then me through a lucky shot. They lose their main hand so I lose mine too. I've been told by some people that I shouldn't do that because even with them using their off hand they still totally outclass me. I can't do otherwise though, I can't explain the feeling I get, it just goes against my nature to not do as I do. I don't consider myself honorable or chivalrous because I don't really think about what I should do or try to be nice to others, I just be myself and I guess it ends up the same, if it doesn't then so be it. I am what I am and I won't try to be anything else. I do avoid court and the upper classes in the sca though, I don't want to insult someone by addressing them wrong but there is no way I can remember all the formalities. I didn't even realise that I was supposed to kneel to the princess when she gave me my AoA.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:19 pm
CassiusD You're right. I suppose I should have explained something from the beginning too, I just don't think about it. The honor and chivalry part isn't important to me for a reason, what many people consider honor and chivalry I consider common courtesy. I don't go out of my way to do it because behaving with a certain degree of civility is just how I was raised. I don't get into the fancy, flowery speech that I've heard some people use along with it either because I just tend to be a blunt, straightforward person. I've been told when fighting I am honorable but to me it's just being myself. For example, I've taken hands when fencing people much better then me through a lucky shot. They lose their main hand so I lose mine too. I've been told by some people that I shouldn't do that because even with them using their off hand they still totally outclass me. I can't do otherwise though, I can't explain the feeling I get, it just goes against my nature to not do as I do. I don't consider myself honorable or chivalrous because I don't really think about what I should do or try to be nice to others, I just be myself and I guess it ends up the same, if it doesn't then so be it. I am what I am and I won't try to be anything else. I do avoid court and the upper classes in the sca though, I don't want to insult someone by addressing them wrong but there is no way I can remember all the formalities. I didn't even realise that I was supposed to kneel to the princess when she gave me my AoA. Oh, don't worry I know that feeling. Although it's less obvious in a woman then in a man when they're brought up with that type of mannerism. xd For my it's simply holding doors open for everyone - even guys! wink (who usually tell me it's supposed to be the other way around), and allowing children and seniours first, and offering and arm to such, when it's icy, and the like! 3nodding heart And oh - don't get me near royalty! sweatdrop It's screw up so bad! rofl
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