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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:56 pm
Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God On_Fire_4_CHRIST Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God On_Fire_4_CHRIST Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God Yes, but it also says to abstain from all appearance of evil (1 Thess. 5:22). It is not a suggestion, but a command. And also it says in Philippians 4:8, "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." Pokemon doesn't fit into any of those categories. And finally, "Prove all things and hold fast to which are good." I believe the appearance of evil refers more to temptation. There are some moments where people feel that it may not be good to do a certain action. It may seem harmless at the time, but they know that something's off about it. Or it could just be temptation in general. Still, however, that does not mean cut off things such as pokemon. It depends on your definition/interpretation of "appearance of evil." The world is evil; people are evil (I needn't continue the list...). If we see and know what is evil, that is far more than the appearance. Yet we don't refrain from them. Basically, I find the verse to mean stay away form any possible stumbling blocks. Ah, my H. Government teacher from last year used that verse to say why those terribly violent video games shouldn't be played. Yes, we should set our minds on what the verse tells us too. But again, it depends on interpretation. When we think of problems in our lives and how to deal with them, that doesn't necessarily fit the criteria either. Should we then just ignore our problems? But if we do...they grow and destroy us. Um...the quote is unfamiliar with me and I'm not sure how to interpret that. What I said of familiarizing yourself with other things to better relate with others can be further emphasized by what Paul said. I Corinthians 9:19-23
Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law, I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to in the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessing.Here is a question: Have you proved Pokemon? Did you break it down bit by bit and examine it as we would break up dirt to examine the dirt for gold? What about the name? Where did Pokemon come from? Do they have the fruits of the Spirit? What are the fruits coming out of them? Would God wants me to play or watch Pokemon or would He want me to pray and meditate on the Word? Prove pokemon? I don't think the question makes sense in this case, nor does the second. Pokemon means pocket monsters and it originated in Japan. The fruits of the Spirit apply to the Spirit and those in whom the Spirit dwells. It cannot be applied to pokemon because pokemon is not a saved Christian, nor a human. If by "the fruits" you mean the results, then as with nearly everything else, the fruits very. Let's take money for example. It can be used to fun missionary work or it can be used to purchase drugs that kill the body. Pokemon can be used to further the gospel, but some use it for evil purposes. Most of the time good and evil are present. The case is the same with us. We're sinners with a sinful nature (evil), but we have the Holy Spirit who helps us do right (good). I believe that God wants "a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart" (Psalm 51:17). You keep saying pray and meditate on the Word; and forgive me if I am receiving your words incorrectly, but it appears you are shifting towards a "works" area. It seems you're pretty much saying that God simply wants us to pray and read our Bible's, that such a thing is all He wants from us, and that if we don't do so, we're sinning. Given: we are supposed to pray continually (I Thessalonians 5:17). Given: we are supposed to study to show ourselves approved (II Timothy 2:15). Given: it is important to study Scripture because it helps with training in righteousness (II Timothy 3:16-17). However, that is not all God wants. He isn't merely looking for people who can boastfully speak of how they always pray or how they can quote the entire Bible literally word for word. He couldn't care less if someone knew the entire Bible and devoted all of their time to prayer and Bible reading and nothing else (besides eating and sleeping) if they weren't truly showing that they loved Him. And how would they do that? By reaching out to others; by sharing the gospel; by taking a stand. God does not simply want us to read, read, read and pray, pray, pray. He wants us to build an actual, non-"religious" relationship with Him. In fact, some people who read and pray all day are doing insincerely, and merely to "impress" God, who in turn shakes His head in disappointment. There is nothing wrong with having fun with tv or sports or pokemon, or other things. And Paul himself became things that, I am sure, did not fit the "Philippians 4:8 criteria" nor the desired answers to your interrogation. Jesus sat around with "sinners." Given: He had His prayer time. However, the larger majority of His time was not spent praying and reading Scripture. That isn't to say that He played video games; but that is to say that praying and reading is not all there is to the Christian life. If it is not harming to the faith - and especially if it benefits the faith - then all is well. If you want to use the logic that we should ignore everything else to devote ourselves only to prayer and Scriptural reading, then feel free to close your Gaia account, close yourself off from any friends you know and expel everything else from your life that is not prayer and the Bible. But then, you are not applying the Word, correctly. It says we need to prove all things and hold fast to which are good. And it doesn't matter what they are, we need to prove them. And that's why I asks about digging through the dirt to find gold. That is how this verse in 1 Thess. 5 implies. We need to be searching through the dirt to see if there is any value to it. If there is no value, throw it away or to discard it quickly. This is how the enemy comes and deceives many by telling them it is okay to do or watch a certain thing. He has a hook in there to draw us if we are not careful. And the fruit of the Spirit implies more than that. Yes, they are the true traits of the Christian, but they do not have those. "Whatever is of the flesh is flesh and whatever is of the Spirit is Spirit." These 2 cannot be mixed and they are essential to proving all things, including Philippians 4:8. And for as using this to farther proclaim the Gospel, it is highly unlikely. It says that faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Pokemon doesn't mention God or Jesus even once to my knowledge. Therefore it might proclaims about good and evil, but it would not drive someone to Christ. That is not me saying that, but that is what the Bible says. The argument is illogical. The verse is more of a "test the spirits" kind of thing like in I John. And something can exist without denying that Jesus is the Christ or proclaiming such a thing to be true. You cannot exactly prove something by applying characteristics to a person or thing. You prove something by giving hard facts to back something up. You cannot prove pokemon because it evidently already exists - not in reality, but in cartoons. The Bible itself is not what drives people to Christ. If that were the case, winning souls would be a lot easier. Some people say "get your Bible and your God outta here!" How do you reach them? By becoming friends with them. What do friends do? Talk about things, especially things that they like or have in common. Obviously, it isn't necessary to explain how to have things in common. Regardless, I'm sure you can see the point I'm getting at. Slapping down a ton of Bible verses will drive many people away from Christ. You use other channels such as pokemon, sports, and whatever else to shift into the gospel. Some people are locked inside a myriad of doors. You cannot reach door A (the gospel) before passing door B (pokemon) which of course cannot be passed without entering door C ("Hello. How are you?") Now that's a brief example, in which the number of doors and the type of doors varies. It applies to how we can reach to others. They aren't merely going to say "OH HEY! YEAH! TELL ME ABOUT YOUR BIBLE!" They're going to yell at you and walk away. It's important to have other channels, because without them you will not win a good portion of people over. The majority, I am sure, needs to be one through channels. Almost no one is won over by debate. And when you slam a Bible down in front of someone, you usually seem ignorant, haughty, or intimidating, and thus are ignored. You utilize the channels. I'm not saying pokemon is the only thing; I am saying it is one of them. And it is important to use them to get Biblical messages across or reach the unsaved. You seem to be neglecting the verse that I used concerning Paul. Say that you need to read the Bible all you want. I honestly don't disagree; reading the Bible is vital. However, no matter what you say, it is factual that other channels are required to win others over (for the unsaved) or get certain messages across (for the saved). If you refuse these channels, you only make things harder or impossible. Before you say "Nothing is impossible with God." (Luke 1:37), keep in mind that God can be saying "use this." But if you don't use it, you're pretty much saying "No." It isn't impossible, you're just shoving away the possible route. Conclusively, knowledge or involvement of other things besides the Bible is not wrong. It opens doors to reach others. If you close those doors or refuse to open them, that is your fault and you won't get through to some. Yes, some people can be won over without channels; but that is not all of them. Fact is: Other channels are needed to reach some people. This means not only using the Bible for once.
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Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:30 am
On_Fire_4_CHRIST Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God On_Fire_4_CHRIST Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God On_Fire_4_CHRIST Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God Yes, but it also says to abstain from all appearance of evil (1 Thess. 5:22). It is not a suggestion, but a command. And also it says in Philippians 4:8, "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things." Pokemon doesn't fit into any of those categories. And finally, "Prove all things and hold fast to which are good." I believe the appearance of evil refers more to temptation. There are some moments where people feel that it may not be good to do a certain action. It may seem harmless at the time, but they know that something's off about it. Or it could just be temptation in general. Still, however, that does not mean cut off things such as pokemon. It depends on your definition/interpretation of "appearance of evil." The world is evil; people are evil (I needn't continue the list...). If we see and know what is evil, that is far more than the appearance. Yet we don't refrain from them. Basically, I find the verse to mean stay away form any possible stumbling blocks. Ah, my H. Government teacher from last year used that verse to say why those terribly violent video games shouldn't be played. Yes, we should set our minds on what the verse tells us too. But again, it depends on interpretation. When we think of problems in our lives and how to deal with them, that doesn't necessarily fit the criteria either. Should we then just ignore our problems? But if we do...they grow and destroy us. Um...the quote is unfamiliar with me and I'm not sure how to interpret that. What I said of familiarizing yourself with other things to better relate with others can be further emphasized by what Paul said. I Corinthians 9:19-23
Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law, I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to in the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessing.Here is a question: Have you proved Pokemon? Did you break it down bit by bit and examine it as we would break up dirt to examine the dirt for gold? What about the name? Where did Pokemon come from? Do they have the fruits of the Spirit? What are the fruits coming out of them? Would God wants me to play or watch Pokemon or would He want me to pray and meditate on the Word? Prove pokemon? I don't think the question makes sense in this case, nor does the second. Pokemon means pocket monsters and it originated in Japan. The fruits of the Spirit apply to the Spirit and those in whom the Spirit dwells. It cannot be applied to pokemon because pokemon is not a saved Christian, nor a human. If by "the fruits" you mean the results, then as with nearly everything else, the fruits very. Let's take money for example. It can be used to fun missionary work or it can be used to purchase drugs that kill the body. Pokemon can be used to further the gospel, but some use it for evil purposes. Most of the time good and evil are present. The case is the same with us. We're sinners with a sinful nature (evil), but we have the Holy Spirit who helps us do right (good). I believe that God wants "a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart" (Psalm 51:17). You keep saying pray and meditate on the Word; and forgive me if I am receiving your words incorrectly, but it appears you are shifting towards a "works" area. It seems you're pretty much saying that God simply wants us to pray and read our Bible's, that such a thing is all He wants from us, and that if we don't do so, we're sinning. Given: we are supposed to pray continually (I Thessalonians 5:17). Given: we are supposed to study to show ourselves approved (II Timothy 2:15). Given: it is important to study Scripture because it helps with training in righteousness (II Timothy 3:16-17). However, that is not all God wants. He isn't merely looking for people who can boastfully speak of how they always pray or how they can quote the entire Bible literally word for word. He couldn't care less if someone knew the entire Bible and devoted all of their time to prayer and Bible reading and nothing else (besides eating and sleeping) if they weren't truly showing that they loved Him. And how would they do that? By reaching out to others; by sharing the gospel; by taking a stand. God does not simply want us to read, read, read and pray, pray, pray. He wants us to build an actual, non-"religious" relationship with Him. In fact, some people who read and pray all day are doing insincerely, and merely to "impress" God, who in turn shakes His head in disappointment. There is nothing wrong with having fun with tv or sports or pokemon, or other things. And Paul himself became things that, I am sure, did not fit the "Philippians 4:8 criteria" nor the desired answers to your interrogation. Jesus sat around with "sinners." Given: He had His prayer time. However, the larger majority of His time was not spent praying and reading Scripture. That isn't to say that He played video games; but that is to say that praying and reading is not all there is to the Christian life. If it is not harming to the faith - and especially if it benefits the faith - then all is well. If you want to use the logic that we should ignore everything else to devote ourselves only to prayer and Scriptural reading, then feel free to close your Gaia account, close yourself off from any friends you know and expel everything else from your life that is not prayer and the Bible. But then, you are not applying the Word, correctly. It says we need to prove all things and hold fast to which are good. And it doesn't matter what they are, we need to prove them. And that's why I asks about digging through the dirt to find gold. That is how this verse in 1 Thess. 5 implies. We need to be searching through the dirt to see if there is any value to it. If there is no value, throw it away or to discard it quickly. This is how the enemy comes and deceives many by telling them it is okay to do or watch a certain thing. He has a hook in there to draw us if we are not careful. And the fruit of the Spirit implies more than that. Yes, they are the true traits of the Christian, but they do not have those. "Whatever is of the flesh is flesh and whatever is of the Spirit is Spirit." These 2 cannot be mixed and they are essential to proving all things, including Philippians 4:8. And for as using this to farther proclaim the Gospel, it is highly unlikely. It says that faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Pokemon doesn't mention God or Jesus even once to my knowledge. Therefore it might proclaims about good and evil, but it would not drive someone to Christ. That is not me saying that, but that is what the Bible says. The argument is illogical. The verse is more of a "test the spirits" kind of thing like in I John. And something can exist without denying that Jesus is the Christ or proclaiming such a thing to be true. You cannot exactly prove something by applying characteristics to a person or thing. You prove something by giving hard facts to back something up. You cannot prove pokemon because it evidently already exists - not in reality, but in cartoons. The Bible itself is not what drives people to Christ. If that were the case, winning souls would be a lot easier. Some people say "get your Bible and your God outta here!" How do you reach them? By becoming friends with them. What do friends do? Talk about things, especially things that they like or have in common. Obviously, it isn't necessary to explain how to have things in common. Regardless, I'm sure you can see the point I'm getting at. Slapping down a ton of Bible verses will drive many people away from Christ. You use other channels such as pokemon, sports, and whatever else to shift into the gospel. Some people are locked inside a myriad of doors. You cannot reach door A (the gospel) before passing door B (pokemon) which of course cannot be passed without entering door C ("Hello. How are you?") Now that's a brief example, in which the number of doors and the type of doors varies. It applies to how we can reach to others. They aren't merely going to say "OH HEY! YEAH! TELL ME ABOUT YOUR BIBLE!" They're going to yell at you and walk away. It's important to have other channels, because without them you will not win a good portion of people over. The majority, I am sure, needs to be one through channels. Almost no one is won over by debate. And when you slam a Bible down in front of someone, you usually seem ignorant, haughty, or intimidating, and thus are ignored. You utilize the channels. I'm not saying pokemon is the only thing; I am saying it is one of them. And it is important to use them to get Biblical messages across or reach the unsaved. You seem to be neglecting the verse that I used concerning Paul. Say that you need to read the Bible all you want. I honestly don't disagree; reading the Bible is vital. However, no matter what you say, it is factual that other channels are required to win others over (for the unsaved) or get certain messages across (for the saved). If you refuse these channels, you only make things harder or impossible. Before you say "Nothing is impossible with God." (Luke 1:37), keep in mind that God can be saying "use this." But if you don't use it, you're pretty much saying "No." It isn't impossible, you're just shoving away the possible route. Conclusively, knowledge or involvement of other things besides the Bible is not wrong. It opens doors to reach others. If you close those doors or refuse to open them, that is your fault and you won't get through to some. Yes, some people can be won over without channels; but that is not all of them. Fact is: Other channels are needed to reach some people. This means not only using the Bible for once. I think it is more than just testing the spirits. Yes, we also need to test the spirits of Pokemon, which I believe it has seducing spirits, talked about in 1 Timothy 4:1. But we must prove that Pokemon is good and right to hold and have any virtue in it. Also, yes, the Bible is not what saves, but it is the power of God to the one that believes. But according to the Scriptures, there is only 1 way to be drawn to Christ. Galatians 3:24, 25 says "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." What would bring us to Christ? It is clear that the law of God bring us unto Christ. In John, it says that no one can come unto Jesus unless He draws us by the work of the law. How do we know what sin is? Romans 7:13 "But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful." It says that the commandments or the law of God shows us what sin is in 1 John 3:4 "Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So the law shows us who we are on the inside and shows us our need for the savior. I highly doubt that Pokemon does anything like that or even anything close to it. Yes, knowledge outside the Bible is good. But there is a fine line between the Bible and the World and knowing what the World is participating in. Remember: "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." (Romans 12:2) And one last thing. Over the years of being a Christian, if there is one thing the Lord has taught me is that if we try to defend something that is not Christian or not willing to give it up, it becomes an idol in our lives. I am not saying that is the case, but I beseech you as a brother in Christ to take a closer look at Pokemon and to see in a whole new light.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:09 pm
Oh dillemna...
Let's not turn a simple question into a heated argument. Excuse my interruption, but I would like to get a little input here.
First I would like to answer the original question. Pokemon is not evil. It is a made up cartoon, created for people's entertainment. The show isn't real and has really nothing to do with the real world, besides a few general bases on the setting and such. The pokemon Arceus in the show is described as the creator of pokemon and pokemon world. But he is also made up and obviously not really god. The only way he would be god was if one believed he was, which would be really unreasonable since it is pretty obvious the show isn't real. It's just a cartoon.
As for the little debate going on, I agree with both of you on various points.
Saved by the Grace of God, it is stated in the bible not to put any other god before the real God. It is best to stay away from temptation and things that may infer idols, but that doesn't mean to shun away from everything that doesn't immediantly pertain to God. (Please don't interpret that as me saying you are shunning things, I'm not.).
Also, as for your statement on whether God would want us to play pokemon or pray (Paraphrasing here), the obvious choice is to pray. The bible says to pray all the time and to read the bible, but it also says to do god's works. It says to go out and spread the word of Christ. I wish it were only so simple that we just shared the word and they would understand, but in these times we have to be able to relate and slowly show and teach people about Christ and God. Today Christianity is in a very dark light and so people are quick to stay away from it. The bible is how God guides us and helps us stay on the right path, so that we may lead others to it. To connect back to pokemon, there aren't too many ways I can think that it could lead others to Christ, but saying it is an evil isn't going to get you anywhere either. Thank you and God bless.
On Fire 4 Christ It is true that God can use any means to bring people to him. I believe relating to people helps you as you try to help them to the Lord. But it is very easy to stray from God by doing so. When you choose to be around temptations and things like that you are more open to sin and being tempted to sin. That said I do realize every day we are tempted but I mean it more like doing things that aren't connected to god very much.
Also, sometimes it is easy to confuse or mislead people with things like Pokemon when trying to incorporate it with God. Outsiders may even view this as being a hypocrit and it just collects complications like that. Thank you and God bless.
To end my ramblings, I would like to point out a few things. Praying and reading the bible is good and neccessary, but if that is all you do then nothing will be accomplished. Doing God's work and spreading his word is what will bring people to him, and sometimes you have to use less spiritual things to relate to people (Though that does not give you the right to do sinful things). Temptations come with almost everything and it's up to the individual to interpret and act on things.
Forgive me if I sound rude, I'm not trying to be. Have a nice day and I hope this helps.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:13 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VACzNHB0yuAAlso just look at the things they teach. Are they truly good? For example, Brock is always portrayed as a flirty man, all he does is go after women and it's portrayed as something funny, and someone correct me if I'm wrong but like most shows, I think it even tells you to follow your heart even though your heart is evil as it says in Jeremiah 17:9. There's most likely more to this but, look at it and compare it to scripture, is it something you should watch? Jeremiah 17:9The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+10:31&version=KJVBy watching this are you Glorifying Elohim? (Elohim is a Hebrew word meaning "god(s)," ) (The name for the Father, is Yahuah, the name for the son, our Saviour and Mashiach, is Yahusha, and the name for the Holy Spirit, is Ruach ha'Qodesh. The ch in Ruach and Mashiach makes like a k sound, so Ruach would sound like Ruak ha'Qodesh and Mashiach like Mashiak and Mashiach means Messiah)
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:04 pm
Midnaeve Oh dillemna...
Let's not turn a simple question into a heated argument. Excuse my interruption, but I would like to get a little input here.
First I would like to answer the original question. Pokemon is not evil. It is a made up cartoon, created for people's entertainment. The show isn't real and has really nothing to do with the real world, besides a few general bases on the setting and such. The pokemon Arceus in the show is described as the creator of pokemon and pokemon world. But he is also made up and obviously not really god. The only way he would be god was if one believed he was, which would be really unreasonable since it is pretty obvious the show isn't real. It's just a cartoon.
As for the little debate going on, I agree with both of you on various points.
Saved by the Grace of God, it is stated in the bible not to put any other god before the real God. It is best to stay away from temptation and things that may infer idols, but that doesn't mean to shun away from everything that doesn't immediantly pertain to God. (Please don't interpret that as me saying you are shunning things, I'm not.).
Also, as for your statement on whether God would want us to play pokemon or pray (Paraphrasing here), the obvious choice is to pray. The bible says to pray all the time and to read the bible, but it also says to do god's works. It says to go out and spread the word of Christ. I wish it were only so simple that we just shared the word and they would understand, but in these times we have to be able to relate and slowly show and teach people about Christ and God. Today Christianity is in a very dark light and so people are quick to stay away from it. The bible is how God guides us and helps us stay on the right path, so that we may lead others to it. To connect back to pokemon, there aren't too many ways I can think that it could lead others to Christ, but saying it is an evil isn't going to get you anywhere either. Thank you and God bless.
On Fire 4 Christ It is true that God can use any means to bring people to him. I believe relating to people helps you as you try to help them to the Lord. But it is very easy to stray from God by doing so. When you choose to be around temptations and things like that you are more open to sin and being tempted to sin. That said I do realize every day we are tempted but I mean it more like doing things that aren't connected to god very much.
Also, sometimes it is easy to confuse or mislead people with things like Pokemon when trying to incorporate it with God. Outsiders may even view this as being a hypocrit and it just collects complications like that. Thank you and God bless.
To end my ramblings, I would like to point out a few things. Praying and reading the bible is good and neccessary, but if that is all you do then nothing will be accomplished. Doing God's work and spreading his word is what will bring people to him, and sometimes you have to use less spiritual things to relate to people (Though that does not give you the right to do sinful things). Temptations come with almost everything and it's up to the individual to interpret and act on things.
Forgive me if I sound rude, I'm not trying to be. Have a nice day and I hope this helps. You? Sound rude? Not at all! Given: doing such things can make you stray; and I'm quite sure some have already strayed as a resolution of such an action. Pokemon, however, is different - or at least for me; it isn't really a "temptation" for me. My life isn't much affected by pokemon save for me making random, corny references to it. It doesn't alter my attitude or character. My friends would eagerly agree. 'Tis why I'm SGA Chaplain. In my case, they all understood. But I will keep that in mind for the future.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:17 pm
starry night-163 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VACzNHB0yuA Also just look at the things they teach. Are they truly good? For example, Brock is always portrayed as a flirty man, all he does is go after women and it's portrayed as something funny, and someone correct me if I'm wrong but like most shows, I think it even tells you to follow your heart even though your heart is evil as it says in Jeremiah 17:9. There's most likely more to this but, look at it and compare it to scripture, is it something you should watch? Jeremiah 17:9The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+10:31&version=KJVBy watching this are you Glorifying Elohim? (Elohim is a Hebrew word meaning "god(s)," ) (The name for the Father, is Yahuah, the name for the son, our Saviour and Mashiach, is Yahusha, and the name for the Holy Spirit, is Ruach ha'Qodesh. The ch in Ruach and Mashiach makes like a k sound, so Ruach would sound like Ruak ha'Qodesh and Mashiach like Mashiak and Mashiach means Messiah) How is pokemon glorifying Satan? Just because some random person says it does not mean that pokemon is satanic. And you saying that pokemon has some bad sides unfairly reveals only a partial part of it. Pokemon portrays good values and bad. It shows Brock (who is no longer in the pokemon series) flirting with girls. However, he has friends who pull him back. Thus, they actually portray such flirting to be bad. It also shows requirement for resolve. There have been several fights between legendaries which Ash quickly sought to bring an end to them. Ash always puts his loved ones first, and, though reckless, sacrifices his life for them consistently. Are these bad values? Is there not no greater love than one who lays down his life for his friends? Given: Ash only "died" once and nearly died another time (with what I've seen...which is certainly not all the episodes) and the other times he only was willing to give up his life but came out alive through the trial. However, he still sacrifices for love. Again I go back to money. Money can be used for bad reasons and good. The same is with pokemon. And pokemon is not calling upon Satan's power to use "spells" or anything of the sort. It's merely a game where imaginary animals battle - they don't even kill each other. I understand I Corinthians 10:31, but I think sometimes people take it too literally. Given: people should do everything to God's glory, but some things cannot be done in such a way. I cannot walk to the playground to God's glory, nor can I dishonor God by walking to the playground. I cannot honor God by putting on a coat, nor can I dishonor God by taking off a coat. The list goes on. The verse can be applied to numerous, but not every situation. Anyway, I'm done with this. It's starting to seem silly.
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Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:54 pm
Here is an interesting article that talks about it. It is the article that convicted me years ago, and I still agree to it to this day. Bible.com WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT....
THE DANGER OF THE POKEMON FASCINATION? What is behind the fascination with the Pokemon phenomenon? Even though this fad is highly popular among the children today, some may not be really aware of what this game is all about. Children and parents alike may not realize the importance of choosing their games and toys with God's guidance. Some might argue that this is a small thing and as long as children are entertained it shouldn't matter what they are playing with. Even as the "little foxes" can spoil the entire grape vine, the games and toys our children embrace can be destructive for them. As parents, the Bible admonishes us to train our children in the right way. Proverbs 22:6: "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."The question is, what is the right way and how do we know if something is right for our children or even us personally? In the case of Pokemon let us look at the "roots and fruits" of this game. The Bible tells us in Matthew 7 that we can recognize the tree by the fruit that it bears. Matthew 7:17: "Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."We have a small orchard and this year we are going to have a "bumper crop" from all of our fruit trees, as the frost didn't freeze the blossoms in early Spring. Usually our apples, pears and grapes bloom out late so we always have those fruits. However, the plums, peaches and apricots usually don't make it before the freeze gets them. Just yesterday I was looking at all the trees and the small fruit that was on them and was surprised to find a tree that I thought was a plum all along that turned out to be a peach tree. Since they had not had any fruit for a number of years I did not know what kind they were until I saw the small fuzzy fruit on one of them and the shiny plums on another. In the same way it is difficult to discern the true nature of anything until we can see the fruit. Pokemon players are beginning to produce fruit that isn't good so we need to examine the tree and the root. LIST OF THE ROOTS AND FRUIT OF POKEMON1.) First of all, its name describes what this game is about. Pokemon is short for "Pocket Monsters". When I was growing up, we were taught monsters were evil, not something to play with. When I was a little girl, the "boogie man" or monsters caused us fear and we did not want to be around them. This game makes some of its monsters out as friendly; thus causing children to embrace certain evil spirits as friends instead of resisting them. This is not the only game that does this as there are other games and books that trivialize or glamorize the occult as well. One of the most evil book series that children are reading at this hour are the Harry Potter books. These books are just as dangerous as the Pokemon games. The Harry Potter books have become a best selling series that chronicle the tales of an orphaned boy at a school for wizards. These books deal with the occult in a fantasy way. In the books you will find animal sacrifices, threats of human sacrifices, witchcraft, wizardry and divination as well as other evil things. For more information about the Harry Potter books: (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=24080) 2.) The game was created in Japan and the concepts of the game and trading cards reflect the principles of Eastern Religions and the philosophies that influenced them. Pokemon is the result of influences that are completely mystical and that embrace warrior religions. These belief systems are not compatible with Christianity. Buddhist Mysticism Hinduism Meditation Rituals The Egyptian Book of the Dead The Book of Tao The Analects of Confucius The Gita The I Ching The Tibetan Book of the Dead Shintoism
Shinto teaches that that all such natural features were felt to have a god behind their power. Many Shinto beliefs were incorporated into Japanese Buddhist practices after its introduction in the 6th century. Just as they believe in evolution and reincarnation, these ideas are manifest in Pokemon. To be specific, one of the typical examples of the dark side of Pokemon is a character named Haunter; an evolved spirit that can hypnotize and has "dream eater" power (powered by the purple Pokemon energy cards which is psychic energy). This power lets him drain the energy from his opponents. Kadabra is another Pokemon character who evolved from Abra. Both characters have demonic powers. In Pokemon, the monsters actually die to their old self and evolve into the new, more powerful Pokemon. This is the teaching of eastern mystery religions and is spelled out in the Egyptian book of the dead and other occult religions. Through this children are subtly being indoctrinated into the theory of evolution and mysticism of the eastern religions. 3.) The maker of the Pokemon U. S. trading cards is the Seattle-based company, Wizards of the Coast, owner of the Dungeons and Dragons game and creator owner of a card game called Magic: The Gathering, which is played by an estimated 6 million people. Many of these preteens and teens are learned in the art of casting spells and summoning spirits. Hasbro, a toy company, bought Wizards of the Coast for $325 million. Nintendo introduced Pokemon to the children of America and spent $20 million on just the marketing. Nintendo has sold more than 14 million Pokemon-related video games according to a recent Family PC magazine review.¹ Wouldn't it be fair to ask what the real motive is for distributing these games? Sales of the Pokemon products have reached the $1 billion mark for Nintendo. 4.) Other philosophies are also evident in Pokemon and these are the demonstration of occultic powers in the games and cards. We also find the influences of New Age Cults, Wicca, Witchcraft, Paganism and Satanism in this game. In the practice of witchcraft, spirits are summoned and called to stay in a circle until needed to fight off bad spirits. In these practices they develop relationships with the so-called "good spirits" to fight the bad ones. This is totally against scripture as the only spirit we are to call on is the Holy Spirit to combat evil spirits with His Holy Angels. In essence these guardians or "spirit guides" that are used in Pokemon actually encourage children in the ways of witchcraft. In the Bible one of Israel's kings, Manasseh, was guilty of witchcraft and other sins and he was brought into bondage because of it. 2 Chronicles 33:6: "And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger."
5). The trading aspect of Pokemon is unhealthy for children too. This aspect has become addictive in many children. It is also creating bad feelings among friends. Some of the older children who are more knowledgeable play off the younger and less knowledgeable ones. When a child doesn't get the card they want, they feel bad; when they do get the card they want, they feel superior. This trading game is not fostering good Christian traits in children but rather greed, combativeness, extreme competitiveness and obsessiveness. Some children have been so completely obsessed with the game that's all they want to talk about and do. Family relationships have deteriorated and children no longer talk about themselves or others but rather about when they can make another trade. Some schools in the nation have even banned Pokemon from their schools when trading resulted in kids trading lunches, stealing back packs, and threatening bodily harm for deals gone bad. 6.) Some parents are also saying that they are concerned about disturbing behavior changes since their children started playing the Pokemon games. They are seeing their children fight and display anti-social skills instead of the proper ones. Instead of this game just being one of imaginative fun, it has become addictive and changed the emotional disposition of children. Some children even complain that they don't feel good after playing the game. Since it is a role playing game, some of the characters are not good and this opens the door for children to receive evil influences and even demonic invasion. Children can receive demon spirits by opening themselves up to the spirits behind Pokemon. When it was first released in Japan in 1997, it was reported that over 600 children went into epileptic seizures while watching the Pokemon cartoons. ² The epileptic seizures were said to be caused by the incessant flashing lights in the cartoon overloading the optical nerves and inciting seizure; however, seizures can also be caused by demonic attack. This is not an exhaustive list by any means, but I have tried to condense the elements of danger for our children. Now, what can we do about it and what are our responsibilities as parents? First of all, parents and children should pray and ask the Lord for the truth about this game so He can reveal it to you. Many parents just buy the toys their children ask for just so they will be occupied (since many parents are too busy to spend quality time with their children). Parents, you must take a more active role in praying over and researching the toys, books and games before buying them for your children. Children, you must not partake in games that do not help you be a better Christian. You must refuse to go along with the latest fads when they are bad. How can we know if a game or toy is good or bad? 1) Determine if the game, video or book involves supernatural power. There are only two sources of super natural power -- God or the devil. When it is beyond the natural, it either comes from God or the devil. If it is not from God then we should not be partaking of it. 2) Children, ask yourself if this is the kind of game that makes you happy and improves your relationships with others. Parents, see if your child is growing in character via the games he plays or vice versa. 3) What kind of things are being learned via these books, games and videos. Remember our minds are molded by what we hear, read and partake of so we must guard our spirit. Psalm 101:3: "I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me."If children have been involved for some time in these satanic games, they may need a prayer of deliverance prayed over them as sometimes the devil can have a stronghold in their lives. Finally any games, books or cards must be disposed of due to the addictive nature of these things. Remember we are in a battle and we must stand on God's Word to see our children protected and delivered from the influence of the wicked one. Their hearts, as well as our own, need to be guarded from all evil influences. Philippians 4:8-9: "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you".Proverbs 4:23: "Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life."We encourage you not to let the seemingly little things, like helping choose your children's toys wisely, be a door for unwanted evil influences in their lives. Don't let this "little fox" destroy the minds and hearts of our children.
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:31 pm
AMCApril is Pokemon really evil and is Arecus the god of all pokemon in the pokemon world? it bothers me and I don't wanna believe it's evil and what it said about Arecus is just myth what do you think? You could actually say, MEW is the god of pokemon because, it can turn into all of them, AND copy their movesets. Areceus only being able to copy their movesets.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:00 pm
I'm sorry Saved_By_The_Grace_of_God, but I just don't agree. The Bible does not attack pokemon, and people's interpretation of pokemon is different. Plus you pretty much ignored - and not even paid mind to - some critical points that I set before you. All you and your quotes do is make assumptions while completely misinterpreting the game/show itself! You say "Oh, it's ruining the children! Blah blah blah! They'll become demonic!" I grew up with pokemon - I'm fine. Some amazing Christians that I know grew up with pokemon - they're fine. If you want to make a statement, base it on facts rather than opinion. Even so, any given thing can bring out good or bad from anything. By your logic, we should all become poor and burn all of our money because people become greedy and use it for the wrong reasons. Ah, and let us burn our clothes as well because people steal, fight, and kill for clothes. Oh hey! Let's burn our bodies since prostitutes use it for the wrong reasons! What? That's foolishly presumptuous? Well that's the attitude which you all basically have against pokemon. That ultra long post had verses that were stretched beyond their meaning, and it interpreted actual events or facts as something completely dynamic. As Cicero said in Julius Caesar: Indeed, it is a strange-disposèd time. But men may construe things after their fashion, Clean from the purpose of the things themselves. Pokemon is a regular game, created for a regular game's purpose - to entertain children. Several of you pokemon-opposers are biased and are construing things to fit your opinions. The Bible couldn't care less for pokemon as long as it doesn't become an idol. If it becomes an idol, destroy it. Otherwise, enjoy it. Pokemon is not demonic and your quote has failed to prove pokemon demonic. It has only succeeded in assuming things.
If you want to seclude yourself from fun, non-evil things as a Monk would do, then fine. But I'll go on teaching what I believe to be true based on my knowledge of pokemon and the Bible rather than relying on the biases of others who only take a quick glance at it.
I am done with this debate.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:02 pm
Bankaiglade AMCApril is Pokemon really evil and is Arecus the god of all pokemon in the pokemon world? it bothers me and I don't wanna believe it's evil and what it said about Arecus is just myth what do you think? You could actually say, MEW is the god of pokemon because, it can turn into all of them, AND copy their movesets. Areceus only being able to copy their movesets. Technically pokemon itself has defined Arceusu as god of the pokemon. However, they failed to make distinctions between Mew and Arceus.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:38 pm
On_Fire_4_CHRIST I'm sorry Saved_By_The_Grace_of_God, but I just don't agree. The Bible does not attack pokemon, and people's interpretation of pokemon is different. Plus you pretty much ignored - and not even paid mind to - some critical points that I set before you. All you and your quotes do is make assumptions while completely misinterpreting the game/show itself! You say "Oh, it's ruining the children! Blah blah blah! They'll become demonic!" I grew up with pokemon - I'm fine. Some amazing Christians that I know grew up with pokemon - they're fine. If you want to make a statement, base it on facts rather than opinion. Even so, any given thing can bring out good or bad from anything. By your logic, we should all become poor and burn all of our money because people become greedy and use it for the wrong reasons. Ah, and let us burn our clothes as well because people steal, fight, and kill for clothes. Oh hey! Let's burn our bodies since prostitutes use it for the wrong reasons! What? That's foolishly presumptuous? Well that's the attitude which you all basically have against pokemon. That ultra long post had verses that were stretched beyond their meaning, and it interpreted actual events or facts as something completely dynamic. As Cicero said in Julius Caesar: Indeed, it is a strange-disposèd time. But men may construe things after their fashion, Clean from the purpose of the things themselves.Pokemon is a regular game, created for a regular game's purpose - to entertain children. Several of you pokemon-opposers are biased and are construing things to fit your opinions. The Bible couldn't care less for pokemon as long as it doesn't become an idol. If it becomes an idol, destroy it. Otherwise, enjoy it. Pokemon is not demonic and your quote has failed to prove pokemon demonic. It has only succeeded in assuming things. If you want to seclude yourself from fun, non-evil things as a Monk would do, then fine. But I'll go on teaching what I believe to be true based on my knowledge of pokemon and the Bible rather than relying on the biases of others who only take a quick glance at it. I am done with this debate. You mentioned one word that you repeated many times in that post. It is "believe." If you believe that Pokemon is not evil, then is it not? If I believe that there were no trucks, would I go on to the freeway and believe that there were no trucks? Would it be true? My point is this: It does not matter of what you believe at all. Believing doesn't mean that you are correct or wrong. That is relativism. But what the Bible says is fact, and we do not have to believe it is true. But being the Word of God, we know it is true. And it says that we shall not set any evil thing before our eyes. Now if we play something like Pokemon, yet we don't believe this verse implies to that, then we are like the ones going out into the freeway and believing there are no trucks until you get hit. And also, the thing that we are not willing to give up will become an idol in our lives. I have a question for you as a Christian. Are you willing to give up Pokemon for the sake of the Gospel?
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:57 pm
I never paid any attention to Pokemon... I always thought it was geekish. cat_biggrin
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:11 pm
Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God On_Fire_4_CHRIST I'm sorry Saved_By_The_Grace_of_God, but I just don't agree. The Bible does not attack pokemon, and people's interpretation of pokemon is different. Plus you pretty much ignored - and not even paid mind to - some critical points that I set before you. All you and your quotes do is make assumptions while completely misinterpreting the game/show itself! You say "Oh, it's ruining the children! Blah blah blah! They'll become demonic!" I grew up with pokemon - I'm fine. Some amazing Christians that I know grew up with pokemon - they're fine. If you want to make a statement, base it on facts rather than opinion. Even so, any given thing can bring out good or bad from anything. By your logic, we should all become poor and burn all of our money because people become greedy and use it for the wrong reasons. Ah, and let us burn our clothes as well because people steal, fight, and kill for clothes. Oh hey! Let's burn our bodies since prostitutes use it for the wrong reasons! What? That's foolishly presumptuous? Well that's the attitude which you all basically have against pokemon. That ultra long post had verses that were stretched beyond their meaning, and it interpreted actual events or facts as something completely dynamic. As Cicero said in Julius Caesar: Indeed, it is a strange-disposèd time. But men may construe things after their fashion, Clean from the purpose of the things themselves.Pokemon is a regular game, created for a regular game's purpose - to entertain children. Several of you pokemon-opposers are biased and are construing things to fit your opinions. The Bible couldn't care less for pokemon as long as it doesn't become an idol. If it becomes an idol, destroy it. Otherwise, enjoy it. Pokemon is not demonic and your quote has failed to prove pokemon demonic. It has only succeeded in assuming things. If you want to seclude yourself from fun, non-evil things as a Monk would do, then fine. But I'll go on teaching what I believe to be true based on my knowledge of pokemon and the Bible rather than relying on the biases of others who only take a quick glance at it. I am done with this debate. You mentioned one word that you repeated many times in that post. It is "believe." If you believe that Pokemon is not evil, then is it not? If I believe that there were no trucks, would I go on to the freeway and believe that there were no trucks? Would it be true? My point is this: It does not matter of what you believe at all. Believing doesn't mean that you are correct or wrong. That is relativism. But what the Bible says is fact, and we do not have to believe it is true. But being the Word of God, we know it is true. And it says that we shall not set any evil thing before our eyes. Now if we play something like Pokemon, yet we don't believe this verse implies to that, then we are like the ones going out into the freeway and believing there are no trucks until you get hit. And also, the thing that we are not willing to give up will become an idol in our lives. I have a question for you as a Christian. Are you willing to give up Pokemon for the sake of the Gospel? Ignoring your argument and leaving everything to the Holy Spirit's conviction (as that is what it relies on at times), I answer your question in another form. I used to play this game called "Road Trip." It was a REALLY fun game. It was my first Play Station 2 game. Road Trip was basically a racing game, but in cartoon form. The houses were cartoon-y and so were the cars and everything else. Plus you could drive on water with propellers and fly around with jet boosters. So it was tons of fun. Besides the racing aspect, there were also certain achievements which you had to accomplish - 100 to be exact. For each achievement you got, you got a sticker. I eventually left the game alone because it got too hard. However, my entertainment in the game was re-enlightened after I got older. Amazingly, I got to 98 stickers! I wanted to be able to say that I did everything alone - that I beat the game alone. I knew there was one last thing to unlock but it only came after beating the game. The last achievements were beating a maze, the second was beating it under a certain amount of time. Resolving to youtube to skip time (as I was going to get there after many guesses anyway; it took no real skill), I completed everything and went to some mysterious man in the sky to unlock the last thing. The mysterious car went on to talk about the balance between good and evil, and how important it was. I kinda ignored it because I just wanted to get the last thing. Then I got demon tires and a demon engine. I paused to think if the game was aimed at Satan or not, but continued down the list. Then he gave me a demonic meter. Lastly, I got 666 spokes tires. By that time it was evident to me that the game's purpose was to make everyone do tons of good stuff, but in the end propose that Satan, demonic stuff, and whatever else you want to chuck on that list, rose above everything. Apparently, all of the demonic things had maximum stats: High speeds, superior all-terrain, everything! Now I had to make a choice between equipping those to gain ultimate power or ending the game right there. It was really angering that I spent so much time on something just to find out it was to glorify demons in the first place, as Road Trip never implied that, and in fact implied that living a good life was right. Before I was tempted to do anything, I turned off the PlayStation 2 without saving, utterly shocked at what had happened. Then I wondered if I'd ever be tempted to play it again. Out of indignation and fear, I broke the disc into pieces and threw it away - not caring to sell it that some other soul may be corrupted by it. A friend found it unnecessary to do so, but I didn't. I will gladly give up anything for God. If He wants it, if He demands it, it is His. Pokemon is different. First of all, it doesn't give you 666 items or any demon types or the like. In fact, I told my "brother" that if they made a demon type, I would destroy my pokemon games completely; but evidently, different people have different convictions. Pokemon is not one of mine; and as far as I am concerned, it is not unbiblical to play pokemon. Numerous pastors who know quite a bit would agree also. But hey, you with your interpretations disagree. So I say this: Let us leave this alone. You cannot convince me, nor prove to me directly (not interpretatively, nor without an opinion, nor without biased links) that Pokemon is wrong; and I cannot convince you, nor prove to you directly (not interpretatively, nor without opinion, but without biased links) that pokemon is not evil. So then, leave it alone. You have given your interpreted verses, and I have given mine. You have given your links and posts, and they have been biased and lacking facts. I have given explanation as to how pokemon can be good, but admitted that it - like money - can have good or bad consequences. Let the conversation silence itself to any arguments on Pokemon, as evidently you will remain as obstinate as I - and I as you. I don't want this going any further past debate; and we're getting nowhere. lol.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:17 pm
Dramatica Angeliqua I never paid any attention to Pokemon... I always thought it was geekish. cat_biggrin Well thanks. xd
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:24 pm
On_Fire_4_CHRIST Dramatica Angeliqua I never paid any attention to Pokemon... I always thought it was geekish. cat_biggrin Well thanks. xd Your welcome, my geeky friend! 4laugh
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