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 Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:04 pm
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Savage Destiny I use Bark 2 Basics and Nature's Choice. Biodegradable, sulfate and lanolin free. smile I have mixed feelings on Earthbath. I love their grooming wipes, I go through boxes of the things, but I'm not sold on their shampoos. We tried the tearless puppy one (the cherry smell is HEAVENLY), and used them on a friend's two small dogs. We bathed them in the same tub, using only the "tearless" puppy... well, the Chi shook and got some shampoo foam onto the Pom's face, right near his eye. We rinsed it off right away, but it still made his eye swell shut for about four days. And that's their tearless shampoo.
Maybe that dog had an allergy to something in the shampoo? I want to try the orange oil shampoo this summer and see if it keeps the bugs off Cowboy.
At my work we rent out our grooming room all the time except saturdays. We let the client choose the shampoo and then dilute it for them. The earth bath is the most popular, although we don't carry the others you mentioned. We do carry biogroom, hemp, and all the other "natural" products. 90% of the clients choose earth bath. No one has ever had an issue with it. |
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 2:49 pm
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Gabrielle_AnimalLuver Savage Destiny I use Bark 2 Basics and Nature's Choice. Biodegradable, sulfate and lanolin free. smile I have mixed feelings on Earthbath. I love their grooming wipes, I go through boxes of the things, but I'm not sold on their shampoos. We tried the tearless puppy one (the cherry smell is HEAVENLY), and used them on a friend's two small dogs. We bathed them in the same tub, using only the "tearless" puppy... well, the Chi shook and got some shampoo foam onto the Pom's face, right near his eye. We rinsed it off right away, but it still made his eye swell shut for about four days. And that's their tearless shampoo. Maybe that dog had an allergy to something in the shampoo? I want to try the orange oil shampoo this summer and see if it keeps the bugs off Cowboy. At my work we rent out our grooming room all the time except saturdays. We let the client choose the shampoo and then dilute it for them. The earth bath is the most popular, although we don't carry the others you mentioned. We do carry biogroom, hemp, and all the other "natural" products. 90% of the clients choose earth bath. No one has ever had an issue with it.
I'm in a little city in Ontario, we FINALLY just got a Gobal Pet Foods here, previously I would make the drive just to buy Earthbath shampoo's, I love the product that much. The groomer would use them but never sold them.
I have used Hemp and other natural shampoos but I never got the same results as I did with the Earthbath. In the many dogs I bathed through being in a groomers I did not encounter one problem with the product lines. There could have easily been dirt/debris in the suds from the other dog that ended up in the eye to cause irritation, or even a reaction to the fragrance is a possibility. I wouldn't dismiss a whole brand over one experience. |
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:36 am
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:13 am
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 3:15 pm
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 8:35 pm
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imderanged - Vet Tech - 2011 imderanged PS to those of you using or thinking of using the Orange Peel Earthbath..I noticed it says NOT FOR CATS on the label. I'm not sure why? It's because a very small percentage of cats are allergic to orange peel oil, the natural extract of orange rinds in the shampoo. Although this allergy is quite rare, it can be acute and is best not risked so they placed a "DO NOT USE" on the label of that shampoo and they are an excellent company for doing so. Thanks for letting me know. I had been thinking of using the shampoo on my brothers cat who is having some issues with her coat, but then I noticed the warning on the label. My mother had some "medicated" shampoo lying around she told me to use, but the one is Ketocondizol (sp?) and I have no reason to believe she had a fungal infection. The other shampoo is a tar and peroxide shampoo. Her main issue is hair loss, but she does have a few scabs here and there.The last time this happened the vet thought it could be a flea allergy. We already treated her for fleas (frontline) and changed her food to something healthier (recently, so it's not a surprise her coat isn't perfect yet). I think we are better off just getting something like the Earthbath in an oatmeal or aloe etc, but my mom thinks I should use the tar/ peroxide shampoo. It does say it can be used on cats. What do you think? Do you know if that has any side effects?
I think if my cat had skin problems I would probably use my soap on her. It's a home made goat milk soap with only like 5 ingredients. Does wonders on this small patch of dry discolored skin I've had on my leg for years. It's finally starting to go away. Tar and peroxide sounds kinda harsh to me. |
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 9:12 pm
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imderanged - Vet Tech - 2011 imderanged PS to those of you using or thinking of using the Orange Peel Earthbath..I noticed it says NOT FOR CATS on the label. I'm not sure why? It's because a very small percentage of cats are allergic to orange peel oil, the natural extract of orange rinds in the shampoo. Although this allergy is quite rare, it can be acute and is best not risked so they placed a "DO NOT USE" on the label of that shampoo and they are an excellent company for doing so. Thanks for letting me know. I had been thinking of using the shampoo on my brothers cat who is having some issues with her coat, but then I noticed the warning on the label. My mother had some "medicated" shampoo lying around she told me to use, but the one is Ketocondizol (sp?) and I have no reason to believe she had a fungal infection. The other shampoo is a tar and peroxide shampoo. Her main issue is hair loss, but she does have a few scabs here and there.The last time this happened the vet thought it could be a flea allergy. We already treated her for fleas (frontline) and changed her food to something healthier (recently, so it's not a surprise her coat isn't perfect yet). I think we are better off just getting something like the Earthbath in an oatmeal or aloe etc, but my mom thinks I should use the tar/ peroxide shampoo. It does say it can be used on cats. What do you think? Do you know if that has any side effects? |
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 12:47 pm
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Peroxide is harsh and cell toxic, and tar is a de-greasing, antipruitic and keratolytic/keratoplastic but tar shampoos as a general rule are avoided in cats. So I would not recommend using that shampoo.
I would also avoid using human soaps, or shampoos, even baby shampoos. Even baby shampoos are not pH balanced for use in pets, especially one with sensitive skin or skin problems. Soap can be especially drying to a pet's skin and leave residue in the fur, causing itching and dandruff. Soap is also more likely to wash off any topical flea preparations that are used on your pet.
I would recommend using an aloe vera/oatmeal or hypoallergenic shampoo. I'm an Earthbath fan because of the results I have seen with it, but it doesn't have to be an Earthbath brand so long as it's formulated and pH balanced for pets. You can also dilute the shampoo with water to aid in any irritation, and prevent any residue from being left in the fur.
Without seeing the animal myself I can't give you any ideas on what the problem could be. I too would think flea allergy. Has any further testing been done with your vet (ie skin scraping?) I can't make too many comments on Frontline because it's not available in Canada, so I'm not as educated on it as a flea control product as I am Revolution or Advantage. I would recommend a flea control product that not only enters the blood stream but covers the skin and to provide whole body coverage that can impair the nervous system of the flea without the flea actually biting the animal. I know Bayer's Advantage products are effective in this way, and a recent talk from Pfizer on Revolution that both products seem to have this effectiveness which is more benefitial for pets with flea allergy dermatitis. However, Frontline, I'm not 100% sure because it's not approved for use in Canada.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:24 pm
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- Vet Tech - 2011 Peroxide is harsh and cell toxic, and tar is a de-greasing, antipruitic and keratolytic/keratoplastic but tar shampoos as a general rule are avoided in cats. So I would not recommend using that shampoo. I would also avoid using human soaps, or shampoos, even baby shampoos. Even baby shampoos are not pH balanced for use in pets, especially one with sensitive skin or skin problems. Soap can be especially drying to a pet's skin and leave residue in the fur, causing itching and dandruff. Soap is also more likely to wash off any topical flea preparations that are used on your pet. I would recommend using an aloe vera/oatmeal or hypoallergenic shampoo. I'm an Earthbath fan because of the results I have seen with it, but it doesn't have to be an Earthbath brand so long as it's formulated and pH balanced for pets. You can also dilute the shampoo with water to aid in any irritation, and prevent any residue from being left in the fur. Without seeing the animal myself I can't give you any ideas on what the problem could be. I too would think flea allergy. Has any further testing been done with your vet (ie skin scraping?) I can't make too many comments on Frontline because it's not available in Canada, so I'm not as educated on it as a flea control product as I am Revolution or Advantage. I would recommend a flea control product that not only enters the blood stream but covers the skin and to provide whole body coverage that can impair the nervous system of the flea without the flea actually biting the animal. I know Bayer's Advantage products are effective in this way, and a recent talk from Pfizer on Revolution that both products seem to have this effectiveness which is more benefitial for pets with flea allergy dermatitis. However, Frontline, I'm not 100% sure because it's not approved for use in Canada.
You pretty much reinforced my opinion on the shampoo issue. She's my brothers cat but I don't mind buying the Earthbath shampoo for her and giving her a bath. As far as the skin issues go....She has been to the vet, but I was not there... as I said I am somewhat involved because I live in the same household & my opinions are generally respected, but she is not my cat. I was told the vets did bloodwork, and ruled out issues such as diabetes and thyroid disorders. I am not sure if they did a skin scraping. I know the last time she was at the vets, she had tape worms (I know because I was the one who discovered the worms & told my brother to take her to the vet) and was treated for them.She had some hair loss a while ago and the vet thought it was a flea allergy so she was treated for fleas and it seemed to improve, but not clear up completely. Then recently we noticed her coat was getting much worse again. She has a area of thinning hair running down her spine. I looked her over and didn't notice a lot of scabs, just a few under her chin. After talking with my brother about it, I found out he had switched her food from Blue Buffalo to Friskies after he lost his job. We began to suspect she was having a reaction to the cheap food, and began feeding her Wellness. To my eye she looks a little better, but her coat is still very poor. But it has not been that long since we switched her food yet, maybe less than a month. I'm willing to do whatever I can to help out, but I can't make all the decisions myself, because she's not my cat. |
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:56 pm
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Gabrielle_AnimalLuver Crew
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Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:08 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:32 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:32 pm
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:54 pm
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The price, depends on where exactly you go and what you need. Of course, I can say Walgreens and what not is very crappy, but then again, it's affordable. For example, my dog at my mom and dads, had to go to the vet. It needed a certain food since he's getting old, and it'll help with his ears and all (He has like chronic ear infection I think the doctor said and stiff bones). At Mounds, it was $13 for a small bag. And I got into a fight with some lady because her dog nearly bit me too, and the only reason I didn't yell back, was because my niece was there. Then Petsmart, for a BIG bag, it was only like $12. So as I said, it depends on where you go and what you need. And yes, it WAS different brands, but it was much more affordable.
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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:10 pm
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Eizoryu Holy mother of God that's way too expensive for dog shampoo. o.O Hell, that's expensive for any kind of cosmetic thing other than perfume, IMHO. We just use Oster's oatmeal formula and don't really have an issue. Maybe ~$5-9? Lucy's not outside enough to warrant it, doesn't really have dry skin, and she's not a hunter and will prolly never be skunked, so... Yeah. No reason, though I have considered having her groomed to take advantage of a Top Dog addon at work and maybe put a stopper on all this shedding she does. White Citrus is the scent this go-around.
I work in their grooming salon, and oh my goodness that white citrus smell is amazing. I noticed that the shampoo I use costs less than the cheapest one petsmart carries.... >.< I was there when a customer brought in and used Bouce's hypoallergenic 'Calypso' scented shampoo - it smelled really good for being labeled hypoallergenic, and the groomer who used it said it worked really nicely. I've had a couple clients bring in one from Cloud Star called Buddy Wash. I don't remember all the ingredients, but they were very minimal, and I believe all natural, and it smelled so good. |
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