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Violet Song jat Shariff

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:17 pm


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Errm..she probably doesn't do it anymore because she got a ton of hatemail.

That's unfortunate. I appreciated her thoughts on wearing a headcovering. As a non-Muslim trying to figure out a modesty code that is at the very least inspired by Islamic modesty, she was very...approachable.
Although she could very well have kept wearing it IRL and just not made anymore vids.
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Some sisters can get really....catty. I dont consider that girl a 'hijabi' I just consider her some girl who likes to show how many ways to wear a headscarf.

I've read a few hijab blogs....I agree; they get really catty. It's very off-putting. It's kind of irritating that, if i were to wear a head-covering and dress more modestly, I would have women picking me apart for not following a code of dress that I don't claim to follow anyways (if that makes sense).

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Hijabi is a Muslim term, a woman who covers herself for religious reasons, not someone who wears a headscarf...it's so much more than that really.

-nod-
I'm still trying to get a grasp on the terminology; I was under the impression that a hijabi was someone who wore hijab (when I thought that hijab only referred to the head-covering). But then, since I now know that hijab encompasses the whole outfit and not just the headcovering, you're right she most likely isn't a proper hijabi.

I'm trying to learn, I swear!! xd

Also, any comment(s) on the questions posed in my last post?
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Is there scriptural support for covering of the form? I am aware that the scriptures mention pulling cloth around you and covering your chest, but that's the only bit I know of.
And how do you determine if clothing is "loose" enough?
If covering the form is what is required, how do you (not you in specific; it's more of a general "you" ) explain the arm sleeves that are all stretchy and, well, kind of form-fitting?

Anyone to comment at all?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 08, 2009 9:29 pm


I have a question. Is it ok to get married first, then wear the hijab? I really want to do that.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:21 am


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I have a question. Is it ok to get married first, then wear the hijab? I really want to do that.

When a child reaches puberty, it is necessary to wear hijab. BUT, I am not sure after marriage. It seems nice though, dressing modestly if you're married and not getting any other man's attention, besides your husband.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:30 pm


Apple Juice: So is that a no then on scriptural support for the covering of the form?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:13 pm


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Apple Juice: So is that a no then on scriptural support for the covering of the form?


I've been racking my brain on the best answer for this. And though 'loose clothing' isnt mentioned specifically, the Qur'an is untouched for centuries. And back then pretty much all women in the Middle East wore loose clothing anyhow, so that air could circulate and keep them from burning like toast.

I have this hadith: "Women should lower there gaze and guard their modesty; they should not display their ornaments except as is normal, they should draw there veils over there bosoms and not display their beauty except to there close male relatives..." (24:30-31)"


Where it says 'not display their ornaments' is usually the verse interpreted as not wearing tight clothing, for example showing off the bosom, hips and rear end. Since these are usually the body parts which men go for first.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:33 pm


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Apple Juice: So is that a no then on scriptural support for the covering of the form?


I've been racking my brain on the best answer for this. And though 'loose clothing' isnt mentioned specifically, the Qur'an is untouched for centuries. And back then pretty much all women in the Middle East wore loose clothing anyhow, so that air could circulate and keep them from burning like toast.

-nod- That's one of the things I can appreciate about the Qur'an.


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I have this hadith: "Women should lower there gaze and guard their modesty; they should not display their ornaments except as is normal, they should draw there veils over there bosoms and not display their beauty except to there close male relatives..." (24:30-31)"


Where it says 'not display their ornaments' is usually the verse interpreted as not wearing tight clothing, for example showing off the bosom, hips and rear end. Since these are usually the body parts which men go for first.

Ah I had previously read the verse as saying "..they should not display their adornments except what is apparent of it..." and that ambiguous "it" leaves so much room gonk . It drives me batty.

I will PM the person you suggested and ask her if she can recall anything in the scriptures wink . Thank you for your help hon ^_^

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:50 pm


Sorry, but I haven't quite figured how to quote part of what someone else says, but someone asked how you know if your cloths are loose enough. I am pretty sure you know that your cloths are loose enough if the shape of your body isn't apparent. For example, if you wear tights, someone can immediatly tell the shape of your legs.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:03 am


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Sorry, but I haven't quite figured how to quote part of what someone else says, but someone asked how you know if your cloths are loose enough. I am pretty sure you know that your cloths are loose enough if the shape of your body isn't apparent. For example, if you wear tights, someone can immediatly tell the shape of your legs.

*raises hand*
That would be me that asked.
I would agree that tights are too form-fitting to be considered all that modest.
I was had things like jeans or long-sleeve shirts in mind when I asked, really. I consider my jeans loose enough; you can't see the curve of my legs until you get to my hips...I consider them loose enough, but over-all? I'm not sure.
For reference, FWIW, I'm a non-Muslim.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:24 pm


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Sorry, but I haven't quite figured how to quote part of what someone else says, but someone asked how you know if your cloths are loose enough. I am pretty sure you know that your cloths are loose enough if the shape of your body isn't apparent. For example, if you wear tights, someone can immediatly tell the shape of your legs.

*raises hand*
That would be me that asked.
I would agree that tights are too form-fitting to be considered all that modest.
I was had things like jeans or long-sleeve shirts in mind when I asked, really. I consider my jeans loose enough; you can't see the curve of my legs until you get to my hips...I consider them loose enough, but over-all? I'm not sure.
For reference, FWIW, I'm a non-Muslim.

Sometimes, I have to admit, I reveal a bit of the skin of my legs. sweatdrop Capris are sometimes comforting, but I tend NOT to wear it in public, just in all-girls parties with NO boys.

I'm going to wear the hijab this year. My dad would like that.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:01 pm


Okay, this is being moved to Arts and Culture.
@Vivi- have you looked at hadith? That's wear most of the specifics come from. There are only a couple statements in the Qur'an.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:40 pm


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Sorry, but I haven't quite figured how to quote part of what someone else says, but someone asked how you know if your cloths are loose enough. I am pretty sure you know that your cloths are loose enough if the shape of your body isn't apparent. For example, if you wear tights, someone can immediatly tell the shape of your legs.

*raises hand*
That would be me that asked.
I would agree that tights are too form-fitting to be considered all that modest.
I was had things like jeans or long-sleeve shirts in mind when I asked, really. I consider my jeans loose enough; you can't see the curve of my legs until you get to my hips...I consider them loose enough, but over-all? I'm not sure.
For reference, FWIW, I'm a non-Muslim.

Sometimes, I have to admit, I reveal a bit of the skin of my legs. sweatdrop Capris are sometimes comforting, but I tend NOT to wear it in public, just in all-girls parties with NO boys.

I'm going to wear the hijab this year. My dad would like that.

Oh I never wear capris; with my body-shape they just make me look squat xp . I didn't think women had to wear hijab around other women?

Ruby: Silly question time! Are the Hadiths a seperate book? I thought that they were lumped into the Qur'an sweatdrop .
PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:42 pm


i wear the hijab when i go out of the house or in front of non mahram men...for me its not a fashion statement. its an order from Allah wa ta Ala and as Muslims we are supposed to obey it. Allah sees and hears everything so if covering yourself can save you from Jahannam why not cover yourself.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 7:57 pm


Just wondering, where is the current definition of the Hijab exposed in the Qu'ran? So far I've only found one verse saying a woman should cover her bosom in addition to what a man should cover (belly button to lower thighs). Am I looking at the right scripture for this or is there a footnote somewhere that I forgot to read?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:22 am


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Sorry, but I haven't quite figured how to quote part of what someone else says, but someone asked how you know if your cloths are loose enough. I am pretty sure you know that your cloths are loose enough if the shape of your body isn't apparent. For example, if you wear tights, someone can immediatly tell the shape of your legs.

*raises hand*
That would be me that asked.
I would agree that tights are too form-fitting to be considered all that modest.
I was had things like jeans or long-sleeve shirts in mind when I asked, really. I consider my jeans loose enough; you can't see the curve of my legs until you get to my hips...I consider them loose enough, but over-all? I'm not sure.
For reference, FWIW, I'm a non-Muslim.

Sometimes, I have to admit, I reveal a bit of the skin of my legs. sweatdrop Capris are sometimes comforting, but I tend NOT to wear it in public, just in all-girls parties with NO boys.

I'm going to wear the hijab this year. My dad would like that.

Oh I never wear capris; with my body-shape they just make me look squat xp . I didn't think women had to wear hijab around other women?

Ruby: Silly question time! Are the Hadiths a seperate book? I thought that they were lumped into the Qur'an sweatdrop .


I'm not sure how to explain, but basically the quran is the quran and hadiths are things that our last prophet said and did and people collected it and put it into book because we need to use the hadiths for reference for things such as things that the quran does not go into specifics for.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:53 pm


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ROFL!!!
No worries then.
I'm kind of sad; I don't think she's a hijabi anymore and I'm kind of curious as to why sad

I found that a few of the points she raised on why she wears the head-covering were points that I already agreed with, or had not previously thought of, but agreed with as well.


Errm..she probably doesn't do it anymore because she got a ton of hatemail.
Some sisters can get really....catty. I dont consider that girl a 'hijabi' I just consider her some girl who likes to show how many ways to wear a headscarf.

Hijabi is a Muslim term, a woman who covers herself for religious reasons, not someone who wears a headscarf...it's so much more than that really.

In my opinion. I like the girl, because without her videos i'd have no idea how to wear a khimar, but i'm sure she didnt get a lot of good messages ><


I liked her videos as well.
I personally think that if non-Muslim women wants to wear the hijab, let them. They are curious and want to experience a small part of the Muslim woman's deen. That's how I came to Islam: yeah, pretty threads.
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