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This would be interesting for school use. Now, mind you, schools here still use paddles, they just have to have the parents sign something each year. I think this would be better than that, actually. Put it on the kid, use humility as a form of discipline instead of pain.

'Cause this battle's just begun.

Yeah, we don't want the angst thread to die, do we?
If there relly is a need to punish them...sigh...then pain should be favored over humility.
It's one thing to have your a** slapped, but another to be ridiculed in front of everyone.
I would even go as far and put that on the same scale of do-nots with "overpraising a student in the class".

Just for infos...maybe it's just my lack-of-english-kraut-a** ...but isn't humility and humiliation basically the same thing?

I ask this because you see mto favor psychological punishment over physical one ...kind of casually...

How is it better to be humiliated than getting a paddling.

i mean...both are very dubious school practices*, but I dunno about you, but I ratehr have my buttocks explode in a smack of pain than being told that I'm a worthless good for nothing loser child who will end up on teh street cause I didn't study my geography.

Well, unless you guys are religious...then you're all about phsychological torture and conditioning, causing me to waste my digital breath here.

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(I'm seriously surprised and actually a bit in disbelief hat there are schools with paddles out there...)

Don't worry I am not the religious type by any means, I actually try to avoid religious topics everywhere I go.

Actually humiliy and humiliation are not exactly the same thing but one can lead to the other:

Humility - The state or quality of being humble; freedom from pride and arrogance; lowliness of mind; a modest estimate of one's own worth; a sense of one's own unworthiness through imperfection and sinfulness; self-abasement; humbleness.

Humiliation - The state of being humiliated, humbled, or reduced to lowliness or submission.

And though I agree with you and would also much rather receive the paddle than be shamed in a classroom, the very fact that we would rather have the physical punishment than be humiliated, that greater fear of being shamed means we will more likes avoid the behavior that would bring on this kind of punishment, in turn reinforcing the behavior to do what was is told so has to avoid the alturnative.

I myself have never gone to a school where they actually had and used paddles, but I am not surprised that there are still schools out there that still use them.

Edit: I did not know corporal punishment was legal in TX, I live there and have never known a school where they adminster that practice.

Ah, I see...thanks for clearing that up, Yuki.

I'm sure that there are teachers out there who misuse their permission to use the cane and on such on students and I'm damn sure that there are teachers who would easily cross the line between trying to enforce humility to enducing humiliation.

Encouraging "humility" as a method of punishment in the classroom will only lead to more emotional trauma than corporal punishment. I only say this from personal experience. Too often I had sport teachers not only knowingly turn a blind eye to the bullying I endured in their classes because I was uncoordinated but they contributed to it under what appeared to be some belief that by giving me a sense of my "own unworthiness through imperfection" I would suddenly be able to throw a ball better. Meanwhile my tormentors went unpunished due to favouritism. I let too far too many occasions of unprofessional conduct go unreported and now that I am no longer a student I am currently of the mind to approach the principal to ask if he knows what the attitude is like within his sport department.

Making someone feel like a worthless piece of s**t in front of their peers is not the correct way to enforce good behaviour. It only does damage.

You may be right there. I looked for an "add to cart option but it says "item not available". Could possibly be an April Fools joke they either forgot to pull down or intentionally left up because it's controversy attracts attention to the site. I can't see where the three triple-A batteries are supposed to fit, either.

wow.. O_O; can we say 'counterproductive learning'?