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 Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:38 pm
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:45 pm
I am an old ATG member =]Indeed I think the biggest thing is they want to be a *good example for the law* to everyone elseClick here to PM Me regarding ATG.
Captain Shram has answered your thread
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 12:20 am
Well, as some otehrs said before, they just don't people to use their stuff, even if it's free publicity.
Games Workshop is the same, or even worse, but that doesn't affect people too much it seems, me included razz .
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:09 am
Saverio C. Referencing and making a parody a song are completely legal without consent from the owner. Using the song is completely different and, they have a right to stop people from using their products if they don't want them used that way. They own the song. It's not a difficult concept. More importantly they ******** gave you a list of things a list of "approved songs" and you still aren't happy. This wouldn't be an issuse if it were the other way around, and that's why it's bullshit You make a perfectly good point and you're right. As much as it may annoy us and piss us off that's not a good enough reason. They have the legal right to do this if they want. And again you're right they are at least giving us a list of "approved songs". All right but that is not where my personal problem lies. My problem lies with the simple fact that they are ignoring their artists. You know the people who ACTUALLY created the songs and performed them. If the artists themselves were also agreeing to this and didn't want their songs out there then yeah, I would say it sucks but not much we can do about it but suck it up, it's their choice. It still is their choice but I don't think its very wise to ignore the wishes of the people who make you money.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 9:47 am
Yay parody laws. Without them, Weird Al wouldn't be anywhere near as popular. Also, for no good reason.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:27 pm
Shram I am an old ATG member =]The biggest issue I have with the Youtube removal of song and the war against Piratebay etc, etc, is that since filesharing has become so big and music videos were easy to get there has been a rise in the amouns of CD's, DVD's and Games sold.
They said to begin with that it would lower sales and destroy these branches but it seems to have done the opposite, the people running the different branches and laws seem to find this a bad thing.
I don't understand how earning money is a bad thing...Click here to PM Me regarding ATG.
Captain Shram has answered your thread Just because more games have been sold now then before doesn't mean that pirating is helping the sales. Pirating takes away customers, and potential customers as well. Even if it is just one person who would have bought "World of Goo" but decided to pirate it instead that is hurting the industry. People having access to an item for free doesn't make them buy it. The argument that it does is foolish and illogical. Gaming and music have become more ubiquitous and that constitutes more sales, not people coping the item illegally to obtain it.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:31 pm
Erverain Yay parody laws. Without them, Weird Al wouldn't be anywhere near as popular. Also, for no good reason. Thanks for that link Erv. That's even better than "falcon puuunch!"
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 2:19 pm
Is it just me, or does everyone here just have "that's their right" stuck on repeat? Also, nobody seems to have found my requested link yet, so I guess I'll have to find it...
Are you all seriously so content with this situation that you are willing to roll over and take it without even trying to make your voices heard? Yeah, it may be their right, but if swayed by the public (aka, the people the money really comes from), there's a chance that this situation could even be reversed.
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:18 pm
Indigo Project Is it just me, or does everyone here just have "that's their right" stuck on repeat? Also, nobody seems to have found my requested link yet, so I guess I'll have to find it... Are you all seriously so content with this situation that you are willing to roll over and take it without even trying to make your voices heard? Yeah, it may be their right, but if swayed by the public (aka, the people the money really comes from), there's a chance that this situation could even be reversed. Right. I'm going to write them an indignant e-mail and make my voice heard...! Maybe I'll even start up a petition...! Because they give a flying ******** about angry consumer feedback. rolleyes I'd rather boycott, personally. Get the music free, support the artists by buying merch directly from their sites. Of course, that all falls apart if the record company gets some share of the merch money. I'll have to e-mail around and find out. Being realistic about the situation isn't the same as being content with what's going on. A whole hell of a lot of copyright law would have to change before anything major could be accomplished. =/
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:03 am
Saverio C. Shram I am an old ATG member =]The biggest issue I have with the Youtube removal of song and the war against Piratebay etc, etc, is that since filesharing has become so big and music videos were easy to get there has been a rise in the amouns of CD's, DVD's and Games sold.
They said to begin with that it would lower sales and destroy these branches but it seems to have done the opposite, the people running the different branches and laws seem to find this a bad thing.
I don't understand how earning money is a bad thing...Click here to PM Me regarding ATG.
Captain Shram has answered your thread Just because more games have been sold now then before doesn't mean that pirating is helping the sales. Pirating takes away customers, and potential customers as well. Even if it is just one person who would have bought "World of Goo" but decided to pirate it instead that is hurting the industry. People having access to an item for free doesn't make them buy it. The argument that it does is foolish and illogical. Gaming and music have become more ubiquitous and that constitutes more sales, not people coping the item illegally to obtain it.
Pirating is helping the sales in the way that a lot of people download before buying and more people hear about the game from the people who downloaded cus they couldn't afford. Pirating helps news travel and creates higher interest for these items. if one person decides to not download a game this could result in him not liking in and not buying/mentioning it on, loosing sales in that way as well.
as for the arguement being foolish... I sometimes can't tell if a game is good or not from the Trailers so I download to try em before I buy em. I prefer owning for the sake of online gaming etc.
People do it but many do just steal.Click here to PM Me regarding ATG.
Captain Shram has answered your thread
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:28 am
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It may be their legal right but I still agree that they are actually knocking back a lot of good free advertising. There are a lot of music artists that I never would discovered if it weren't for YouTube. Vienna Teng, for example, is someone who's music I never would have come across by watching Video Hits or Rage (Australian music video shows), by browsing in the music store, or by listening to Australian radio. She's one of my favourite artists and I stumbled on to her music when I watched an amv featuring one of her songs.
People can rip music from YouTube put it's not a feature that YouTube itself offers so wouldn't it be a better idea to target the people who provide the means to rip from YT instead? Maybe they cannot be bothered because it's too much effort... Besides YT doesn't exactly offer the best quality. Someone who is really keen on something isn't going to download each song from a band one by one from YT, they'll go somewhere that will allow them to download whole albums in a just a few clicks.
Also, it's not like the people posting the videos are making any profit from it. You can became a YT partner and earn money from your videos but all the content you post must either be yours or you have permission to use said content and even then YT might remove it. stressed
Mind, from the article linked to from the OP video, it sounds like it has more to do with them thinking that they weren't getting paid enough money to allow their music to be on YT and YT not wanting to negotiate than actually being about copyright violation and the ensuing loss.
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:11 am
Indigo Project Is it just me, or does everyone here just have "that's their right" stuck on repeat? Also, nobody seems to have found my requested link yet, so I guess I'll have to find it... Are you all seriously so content with this situation that you are willing to roll over and take it without even trying to make your voices heard? Yeah, it may be their right, but if swayed by the public (aka, the people the money really comes from), there's a chance that this situation could even be reversed. Why should the situation be reversed. You are not the party being wronged here! You are the villain in this case. You are using the item they own for your own gain in a way they don't want it used. This is almost as bad as the pirates trying to justify their thefts with bullshit logic. The Cooperations are in the right as of now, and that shouldn't be reversed. They have right and are enforcing them. Taking away their rights isn't fair, and it would be the same as taking away yours. There wouldn't be need to take audio out of videos if WMG didn't exists because most of the music wouldn't exist in the first place. Go to newgrounds and get the music for your videos it's free and there are many quality tracks there, and it's for free use (with credit given to the artist) Shram, people with the ability to pirate will not purchase the games they pirate 9/10 times. I would bet that the new Harmonixs portable game doesn't sell very well in the pirate crowd because it was leaked two weeks ago. Agian even if one person would have bought the game, but downloaded it instead it is stealing (or at least creating negative profit) and wrong.
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:15 am
I am an old ATG member =]I didn't say it wasn't wrong I am saying that it has spurred sales, I understand some games and Movies sell worse as a result (generally the ones with less interest).
Its illegal and you should buy everything you download, never stated otherwise either.Click here to PM Me regarding ATG.
Captain Shram has answered your thread
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:17 am
I have a small question, besides the obvious Itunes store, is there anywhere online you can pay to buy and download music online? And I mean directly from the recording company or something. Like complete albums or just one song if you want it.
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:33 am
Sanzoskitsune I have a small question, besides the obvious Itunes store, is there anywhere online you can pay to buy and download music online? And I mean directly from the recording company or something. Like complete albums or just one song if you want it.
I don't know any specific sites but I know they exist.
Zune is the only one I know about but... there is an issue there.
You pay for listening to and downloading music and its monthly payment... you stop paying and poff no more songs.Click here to PM Me regarding ATG.
Captain Shram has answered your thread
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