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Sugar in Lemonade womble_beast351 Sugar in Lemonade I disagree immensely. I can see your point but I don't agree with it at all.
L doesn't need to say things to have a good relationship with Watari. Sometimes verbal speech isn't the only way to show affection. In Death Note, we are presented with L's business side most of the time. We rarely see his more human/emotional side... only snippets here and there (except the episode he dies which I believe shows a lot) or we don't see it until L: Change the World. Regardless, it has been made clear (even subtly) they both love another. Watari took care of L, L appreciates him.
It's a very close bond. Because L doesn't have the social skills that we all consider "normal" it may come off as mean...but remember. This IS L. He can express that he cares through other ways. He does this to others too, kind of like using hard love in a sense. If Watari had really minded doing those things for L he would have said something. He HAS scolded L before, and he did so briefly in the anime. Remember when he asked L why he wasn't mentioning the fact that Yagami and the rest of them would be paid for if they left the police force? He didn't agree with L then and therefore made a point of it.
Watari raised L. They both respect one another. If Watari was truly discontent (or either one of them) they wouldn't be together. Watari and L have a sort of father and son relationship or just the love of a guardian. If you think more in depth you can see beyond the exterior and focus on the interior feelings. Trust me, if Watari hated L they wouldn't be where they were now. Wasn't the look on Watari's face as he died...seeing L one last time enough for you to show this? He was willing to perform his last task in order to protect L's goal...his dream of stopping Kira. He reached out before he died to press that damn button. The expression on his face a lot of emotions. To me, that says enough. The fact that he would be willing to die on such a case alongside L...that is true love. Very nicely said. May they both rest in peace. v.v
@Tao: From what I saw...no one took it wrong. No one assumed Watari wanted L dead. I answered your question at least how you wanted it. XD;
How is Wammy's evil? *Asks anyway* ...I'm pretty sure an Orphanage isn't usually evil. >> Since they're taking in kids with no parents. Charity, yatta yatta. Even if it's for geniuses. o-o
It's basically human nature to want at least a little appreciate sometimes and not just have to assume they appreciate you.Unless Watari's an alien or something which a completely different topic. Pretty much nobody can work that hard without wanting at least a thank you or something every once and a while.
Also it's kinda evil because they have a disturbingly high death rate and generally everyone that comes from there has some sort of mental issues with social standards.Social skills is an important thing to teach.That's negligance.There's so many things they should knpw when they leave that they don't.They die off really fast. |
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:12 pm
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TaoShaman Sugar in Lemonade womble_beast351 Sugar in Lemonade I disagree immensely. I can see your point but I don't agree with it at all.
L doesn't need to say things to have a good relationship with Watari. Sometimes verbal speech isn't the only way to show affection. In Death Note, we are presented with L's business side most of the time. We rarely see his more human/emotional side... only snippets here and there (except the episode he dies which I believe shows a lot) or we don't see it until L: Change the World. Regardless, it has been made clear (even subtly) they both love another. Watari took care of L, L appreciates him.
It's a very close bond. Because L doesn't have the social skills that we all consider "normal" it may come off as mean...but remember. This IS L. He can express that he cares through other ways. He does this to others too, kind of like using hard love in a sense. If Watari had really minded doing those things for L he would have said something. He HAS scolded L before, and he did so briefly in the anime. Remember when he asked L why he wasn't mentioning the fact that Yagami and the rest of them would be paid for if they left the police force? He didn't agree with L then and therefore made a point of it.
Watari raised L. They both respect one another. If Watari was truly discontent (or either one of them) they wouldn't be together. Watari and L have a sort of father and son relationship or just the love of a guardian. If you think more in depth you can see beyond the exterior and focus on the interior feelings. Trust me, if Watari hated L they wouldn't be where they were now. Wasn't the look on Watari's face as he died...seeing L one last time enough for you to show this? He was willing to perform his last task in order to protect L's goal...his dream of stopping Kira. He reached out before he died to press that damn button. The expression on his face a lot of emotions. To me, that says enough. The fact that he would be willing to die on such a case alongside L...that is true love. Very nicely said. May they both rest in peace. v.v
@Tao: From what I saw...no one took it wrong. No one assumed Watari wanted L dead. I answered your question at least how you wanted it. XD;
How is Wammy's evil? *Asks anyway* ...I'm pretty sure an Orphanage isn't usually evil. >> Since they're taking in kids with no parents. Charity, yatta yatta. Even if it's for geniuses. o-oIt's basically human nature to want at least a little appreciate sometimes and not just have to assume they appreciate you.Unless Watari's an alien or something which a completely different topic. Pretty much nobody can work that hard without wanting at least a thank you or something every once and a while. Also it's kinda evil because they have a disturbingly high death rate and generally everyone that comes from there has some sort of mental issues with social standards.Social skills is an important thing to teach.That's negligance.There's so many things they should knpw when they leave that they don't.They die off really fast.
First off:
Just because we aren't shown specific scenes of L thanking Watari for his work doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Actually, I remember at the very least...one time in the anime where L says thank you to Watari for bringing food out. Regardless, they aren't going to show every single scene where it happens that L thanks Watari for something otherwise it would be called "Thank you, Note." <__<; In the books and other things, it is pretty clear they care for each other and since they're anime/manga characters it doesn't mean they have to follow the same standards that we in our society have to. Since they are fictional. Either way, I do a lot of nice things I'm never thanked for. Sure, I would like to be thanked but sometimes the good things people do are not in public or people don't expect to be thanked for. That's what we call integrity...it's good to have. That is how L's and Watari's relationship is...even if you are unable to see how it looks publicly. o 3o
Second off:
I can understand that but it is an orphanage of geniuses for a reason. They are all going to be socially awkward. Where someone is a genius in one thing they lack in another. Otherwise we would all be complete perfect beings and that would be pretty damn boring in my opinion. XD I don't really think it was neglected. Matt and Mello had decent social skills. Unlike Near and L. Mello could do things that Near couldn't because of it. People vary, whether they came from a super genius place called Wammy's or not. It's just more...I guess natural. You know how some people are more outgoing than others? It's like the nature vs nurture argument that can apply here. I'm more outgoing. Sure, my parents taught me things here and there but...I definitely vary from my father who is not outgoing at all. He helped raise me. So what does that say about me as a person?
Well, I'm just gonna throw this out here but... it is called "Death Note." <__< So...the entire point is people dying... whether they're good or bad. People are gonna die. The end. BUT. You can't say everyone from Wammy's died or blame that place. o-o; It just so happened the ONLY people that tried to STOP Kira were people from Wammy's...and the cops. So. Guess what? Many died on both sides. So if I use your argument that means the cops are evil too. : o Anyway, Near lived in the end...so I don't know what to tell you there. He still lives after Kira's reign too if you read the manga and still is kicking. o uo
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:41 pm
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Sugar in Lemonade TaoShaman Sugar in Lemonade womble_beast351 Sugar in Lemonade I disagree immensely. I can see your point but I don't agree with it at all.
L doesn't need to say things to have a good relationship with Watari. Sometimes verbal speech isn't the only way to show affection. In Death Note, we are presented with L's business side most of the time. We rarely see his more human/emotional side... only snippets here and there (except the episode he dies which I believe shows a lot) or we don't see it until L: Change the World. Regardless, it has been made clear (even subtly) they both love another. Watari took care of L, L appreciates him.
It's a very close bond. Because L doesn't have the social skills that we all consider "normal" it may come off as mean...but remember. This IS L. He can express that he cares through other ways. He does this to others too, kind of like using hard love in a sense. If Watari had really minded doing those things for L he would have said something. He HAS scolded L before, and he did so briefly in the anime. Remember when he asked L why he wasn't mentioning the fact that Yagami and the rest of them would be paid for if they left the police force? He didn't agree with L then and therefore made a point of it.
Watari raised L. They both respect one another. If Watari was truly discontent (or either one of them) they wouldn't be together. Watari and L have a sort of father and son relationship or just the love of a guardian. If you think more in depth you can see beyond the exterior and focus on the interior feelings. Trust me, if Watari hated L they wouldn't be where they were now. Wasn't the look on Watari's face as he died...seeing L one last time enough for you to show this? He was willing to perform his last task in order to protect L's goal...his dream of stopping Kira. He reached out before he died to press that damn button. The expression on his face a lot of emotions. To me, that says enough. The fact that he would be willing to die on such a case alongside L...that is true love. Very nicely said. May they both rest in peace. v.v
@Tao: From what I saw...no one took it wrong. No one assumed Watari wanted L dead. I answered your question at least how you wanted it. XD;
How is Wammy's evil? *Asks anyway* ...I'm pretty sure an Orphanage isn't usually evil. >> Since they're taking in kids with no parents. Charity, yatta yatta. Even if it's for geniuses. o-oIt's basically human nature to want at least a little appreciate sometimes and not just have to assume they appreciate you.Unless Watari's an alien or something which a completely different topic. Pretty much nobody can work that hard without wanting at least a thank you or something every once and a while. Also it's kinda evil because they have a disturbingly high death rate and generally everyone that comes from there has some sort of mental issues with social standards.Social skills is an important thing to teach.That's negligance.There's so many things they should knpw when they leave that they don't.They die off really fast.
Just because we aren't shown specific scenes of L thanking Watari for his work doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Actually, I remember at the very least...one time in the anime where L says thank you to Watari for bringing food out. Regardless, they aren't going to show every single scene where it happens that L thanks Watari for something otherwise it would be called "Thank you, Note." <__<; In the books and other things, it is pretty clear they care for each other and since they're anime/manga characters it doesn't mean they have to follow the same standards that we in our society have to. Since they are fictional. Either way, I do a lot of nice things I'm never thanked for. Sure, I would like to be thanked but sometimes the good things people do are not in public or people don't expect to be thanked for. That's what we call integrity...it's good to have. That is how L's and Watari's relationship is...even if you are unable to see how it looks publicly. o 3o
Second off:
I can understand that but it is an orphanage of geniuses for a reason. They are all going to be socially awkward. Where someone is a genius in one thing they lack in another. Otherwise we would all be complete perfect beings and that would be pretty damn boring in my opinion. XD I don't really think it was neglected. Matt and Mello had decent social skills. Unlike Near and L. Mello could do things that Near couldn't because of it. People vary, whether they came from a super genius place called Wammy's or not. It's just more...I guess natural. You know how some people are more outgoing than others? It's like the nature vs nurture argument that can apply here. I'm more outgoing. Sure, my parents taught me things here and there but...I definitely vary from my father who is not outgoing at all. He helped raise me. So what does that say about me as a person?
Well, I'm just gonna throw this out here but... it is called "Death Note." <__< So...the entire point is people dying... whether they're good or bad. People are gonna die. The end. BUT. You can't say everyone from Wammy's died or blame that place. o-o; It just so happened the ONLY people that tried to STOP Kira were people from Wammy's...and the cops. So. Guess what? Many died on both sides. So if I use your argument that means the cops are evil too. : o Anyway, Near lived in the end...so I don't know what to tell you there. He still lives after Kira's reign too if you read the manga and still is kicking. o uo
First thing, I'm just going to stop this unless another person wants to comment because this is going in the wrong direction and is doomed to end badly like so many other conversations.
Second, being a genius does not automatically mean you're socially awkward.They are training these people to be detectives.A major part of the job is having self-reliance and having to at least somewhat deal with people.That is the type of thing they should teach them.Yes, there's nature v. nurture but they still could at least try to help them.Near's how old and can't ride a plane by himself.What is Roger dies then what?The title Death Note does not mean oh everyone can die.It comes from the item Kira uses.There are series without the word death in the title and everyone on the planet dies so the title doesn't help this argument.
I'm just saying that Wammy's House is far to shady to be thought of as completely good.There's way too much that seems like they're purposely setting them up to fail horribly in certain aspects.Yes people have flaws, but having social skills that poor is not a mere flaw it's a serious problem. |
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:08 pm
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TaoShaman Sugar in Lemonade TaoShaman Sugar in Lemonade womble_beast351 Sugar in Lemonade I disagree immensely. I can see your point but I don't agree with it at all.
L doesn't need to say things to have a good relationship with Watari. Sometimes verbal speech isn't the only way to show affection. In Death Note, we are presented with L's business side most of the time. We rarely see his more human/emotional side... only snippets here and there (except the episode he dies which I believe shows a lot) or we don't see it until L: Change the World. Regardless, it has been made clear (even subtly) they both love another. Watari took care of L, L appreciates him.
It's a very close bond. Because L doesn't have the social skills that we all consider "normal" it may come off as mean...but remember. This IS L. He can express that he cares through other ways. He does this to others too, kind of like using hard love in a sense. If Watari had really minded doing those things for L he would have said something. He HAS scolded L before, and he did so briefly in the anime. Remember when he asked L why he wasn't mentioning the fact that Yagami and the rest of them would be paid for if they left the police force? He didn't agree with L then and therefore made a point of it.
Watari raised L. They both respect one another. If Watari was truly discontent (or either one of them) they wouldn't be together. Watari and L have a sort of father and son relationship or just the love of a guardian. If you think more in depth you can see beyond the exterior and focus on the interior feelings. Trust me, if Watari hated L they wouldn't be where they were now. Wasn't the look on Watari's face as he died...seeing L one last time enough for you to show this? He was willing to perform his last task in order to protect L's goal...his dream of stopping Kira. He reached out before he died to press that damn button. The expression on his face a lot of emotions. To me, that says enough. The fact that he would be willing to die on such a case alongside L...that is true love. Very nicely said. May they both rest in peace. v.v
@Tao: From what I saw...no one took it wrong. No one assumed Watari wanted L dead. I answered your question at least how you wanted it. XD;
How is Wammy's evil? *Asks anyway* ...I'm pretty sure an Orphanage isn't usually evil. >> Since they're taking in kids with no parents. Charity, yatta yatta. Even if it's for geniuses. o-oIt's basically human nature to want at least a little appreciate sometimes and not just have to assume they appreciate you.Unless Watari's an alien or something which a completely different topic. Pretty much nobody can work that hard without wanting at least a thank you or something every once and a while. Also it's kinda evil because they have a disturbingly high death rate and generally everyone that comes from there has some sort of mental issues with social standards.Social skills is an important thing to teach.That's negligance.There's so many things they should knpw when they leave that they don't.They die off really fast.
Just because we aren't shown specific scenes of L thanking Watari for his work doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Actually, I remember at the very least...one time in the anime where L says thank you to Watari for bringing food out. Regardless, they aren't going to show every single scene where it happens that L thanks Watari for something otherwise it would be called "Thank you, Note." <__<; In the books and other things, it is pretty clear they care for each other and since they're anime/manga characters it doesn't mean they have to follow the same standards that we in our society have to. Since they are fictional. Either way, I do a lot of nice things I'm never thanked for. Sure, I would like to be thanked but sometimes the good things people do are not in public or people don't expect to be thanked for. That's what we call integrity...it's good to have. That is how L's and Watari's relationship is...even if you are unable to see how it looks publicly. o 3o
Second off:
I can understand that but it is an orphanage of geniuses for a reason. They are all going to be socially awkward. Where someone is a genius in one thing they lack in another. Otherwise we would all be complete perfect beings and that would be pretty damn boring in my opinion. XD I don't really think it was neglected. Matt and Mello had decent social skills. Unlike Near and L. Mello could do things that Near couldn't because of it. People vary, whether they came from a super genius place called Wammy's or not. It's just more...I guess natural. You know how some people are more outgoing than others? It's like the nature vs nurture argument that can apply here. I'm more outgoing. Sure, my parents taught me things here and there but...I definitely vary from my father who is not outgoing at all. He helped raise me. So what does that say about me as a person?
Well, I'm just gonna throw this out here but... it is called "Death Note." <__< So...the entire point is people dying... whether they're good or bad. People are gonna die. The end. BUT. You can't say everyone from Wammy's died or blame that place. o-o; It just so happened the ONLY people that tried to STOP Kira were people from Wammy's...and the cops. So. Guess what? Many died on both sides. So if I use your argument that means the cops are evil too. : o Anyway, Near lived in the end...so I don't know what to tell you there. He still lives after Kira's reign too if you read the manga and still is kicking. o uo
First thing, I'm just going to stop this unless another person wants to comment because this is going in the wrong direction and is doomed to end badly like so many other conversations. Second, being a genius does not automatically mean you're socially awkward.They are training these people to be detectives.A major part of the job is having self-reliance and having to at least somewhat deal with people.That is the type of thing they should teach them.Yes, there's nature v. nurture but they still could at least try to help them.Near's how old and can't ride a plane by himself.What is Roger dies then what?The title Death Note does not mean oh everyone can die.It comes from the item Kira uses.There are series without the word death in the title and everyone on the planet dies so the title doesn't help this argument. I'm just saying that Wammy's House is far to shady to be thought of as completely good.There's way too much that seems like they're purposely setting them up to fail horribly in certain aspects.Yes people have flaws, but having social skills that poor is not a mere flaw it's a serious problem.
When arguing something, you have to expect people have different opinions on the matter. o uo If it's not going in direction you believe is correct-- that doesn't mean it's wrong. Just because you don't agree with it. Just throwing that out there. I don't really see it going in a "wrong direction" as we're sitting here maturely discussing our different viewpoints. Or at least, I'm trying to offer mine to you. I find yours interesting so that's why I'm responding to it. For fun. 8D
Nope, it doesn't. Bad wording on my part so I give you that. But with every person there are always flaws so you cannot expect everyone to be perfect. I wouldn't necessarily say that, it might be ideal to have those qualities but a detective could easily hire someone to deal with others as well.
How do you know what they're teaching them though? That's my question. There's no solid evidence anywhere in the Death Note series for this sort of thing. XD That's why I'm not making an assumptions. Because...Near is Near? I don't like riding airplanes either by myself. ._.; I hate the thought of crashing and it scares me. Does that make me messed up? *Just giving you another viewpoint too* I'd probably be very much like Near in that sense. Actually, riding an airplane would be a last resort for me. I'd definitely definitely want to have someone with me.
I'm sure they have some sort of backup for Roger, as Roger was a backup for Watari. That would be a very bad system if they didn't. XD But since they did for Watari we can at the very least make that assumption (*ASSUMED too ahhh*) they do for Roger. Well, no kidding. I didn't say "everyone" had to die, that was more of a joke. But you have to assume people are going to die. Personally? I feel as if the Death Note is more than just an item to describe the series. It has a lot more meaning behind it then that. o 3o So actually I do believe it helps in the argument.
I will say this though, NOTHING in this world is completely good. So you are right. But regardless if it's a fictional place or not ...there will always be problems. That doesn't mean it's a horrible or shady system intentionally mentally messing up children there though. Perhaps what they feel they're doing is right, so can we really make the judgment call *lolLightYagamimoment* and say they are wrong in what they're doing? I honestly believe that Wammy's would never intentionally set them up for failure, rather they might be doing it accidentally then and need to change how they do things a bit. You know how like one thing can work for one person but not another? Like that. Let's use...Social Work for an example. Maybe a girl got raped and you have to help her make the decision whether she has an abortion or not. You can't let your own personal values effect how the client feels or do what's best for them. It's hard, but you have to do it. Maybe you say aborting would not be the way to go for her, but it turns out having the abortion would have been better since all this and blah blah blah happened. Basically, different things work for different people. Not everyone is the same.
Not really. Some people have disorders that cause poor social skills. It's not their fault, but luckily we have medicine, therapy, technology...etc to help them out. Not everyone has to be a social butterfly either and be a great person. It also doesn't mean they have a serious problem. To me, that's only looking at a person's disability and nothing else. That they are no one else or have other parts to them. Disabilities aren't what defines a person. Maybe in our culture that's how we view it though. Actually, looking at other cultures people may view JUST THAT as a gift rather than a disability. So that's all out how our cultures define us too for the most part.
Example: Shaman.
I'll put out a direction defintion.
"Shamanshä'mən, shā'–, shă'–, religious practitioner in various, generally small-scale societies who is believed to be able to diagnose, cure, and sometimes cause illness because of a special relationship with, or control over, spirits. Different forms of shamanism are found around the world; they are also known as medicine men and witch doctors."
American culture: WTF? They take drugs and stuff and see things?! Schizophrenic DEFINITELY lolololo. /pretty much
Shamans: Highly religious practice, very strong beliefs that they can see spirits and provide answers.
I find it all sort of interesting. XD Don't you? It's all about the definition of the situation. :B |
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Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:18 pm
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Sugar in Lemonade TaoShaman Sugar in Lemonade TaoShaman Sugar in Lemonade Yes. ;; <3
@Tao: From what I saw...no one took it wrong. No one assumed Watari wanted L dead. I answered your question at least how you wanted it. XD;
How is Wammy's evil? *Asks anyway* ...I'm pretty sure an Orphanage isn't usually evil. >> Since they're taking in kids with no parents. Charity, yatta yatta. Even if it's for geniuses. o-o It's basically human nature to want at least a little appreciate sometimes and not just have to assume they appreciate you.Unless Watari's an alien or something which a completely different topic. Pretty much nobody can work that hard without wanting at least a thank you or something every once and a while. Also it's kinda evil because they have a disturbingly high death rate and generally everyone that comes from there has some sort of mental issues with social standards.Social skills is an important thing to teach.That's negligance.There's so many things they should knpw when they leave that they don't.They die off really fast.
Just because we aren't shown specific scenes of L thanking Watari for his work doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Actually, I remember at the very least...one time in the anime where L says thank you to Watari for bringing food out. Regardless, they aren't going to show every single scene where it happens that L thanks Watari for something otherwise it would be called "Thank you, Note." <__<; In the books and other things, it is pretty clear they care for each other and since they're anime/manga characters it doesn't mean they have to follow the same standards that we in our society have to. Since they are fictional. Either way, I do a lot of nice things I'm never thanked for. Sure, I would like to be thanked but sometimes the good things people do are not in public or people don't expect to be thanked for. That's what we call integrity...it's good to have. That is how L's and Watari's relationship is...even if you are unable to see how it looks publicly. o 3o
Second off:
I can understand that but it is an orphanage of geniuses for a reason. They are all going to be socially awkward. Where someone is a genius in one thing they lack in another. Otherwise we would all be complete perfect beings and that would be pretty damn boring in my opinion. XD I don't really think it was neglected. Matt and Mello had decent social skills. Unlike Near and L. Mello could do things that Near couldn't because of it. People vary, whether they came from a super genius place called Wammy's or not. It's just more...I guess natural. You know how some people are more outgoing than others? It's like the nature vs nurture argument that can apply here. I'm more outgoing. Sure, my parents taught me things here and there but...I definitely vary from my father who is not outgoing at all. He helped raise me. So what does that say about me as a person?
Well, I'm just gonna throw this out here but... it is called "Death Note." <__< So...the entire point is people dying... whether they're good or bad. People are gonna die. The end. BUT. You can't say everyone from Wammy's died or blame that place. o-o; It just so happened the ONLY people that tried to STOP Kira were people from Wammy's...and the cops. So. Guess what? Many died on both sides. So if I use your argument that means the cops are evil too. : o Anyway, Near lived in the end...so I don't know what to tell you there. He still lives after Kira's reign too if you read the manga and still is kicking. o uo
First thing, I'm just going to stop this unless another person wants to comment because this is going in the wrong direction and is doomed to end badly like so many other conversations. Second, being a genius does not automatically mean you're socially awkward.They are training these people to be detectives.A major part of the job is having self-reliance and having to at least somewhat deal with people.That is the type of thing they should teach them.Yes, there's nature v. nurture but they still could at least try to help them.Near's how old and can't ride a plane by himself.What is Roger dies then what?The title Death Note does not mean oh everyone can die.It comes from the item Kira uses.There are series without the word death in the title and everyone on the planet dies so the title doesn't help this argument. I'm just saying that Wammy's House is far to shady to be thought of as completely good.There's way too much that seems like they're purposely setting them up to fail horribly in certain aspects.Yes people have flaws, but having social skills that poor is not a mere flaw it's a serious problem.
Nope, it doesn't. Bad wording on my part so I give you that. But with every person there are always flaws so you cannot expect everyone to be perfect. I wouldn't necessarily say that, it might be ideal to have those qualities but a detective could easily hire someone to deal with others as well.
How do you know what they're teaching them though? That's my question. There's no solid evidence anywhere in the Death Note series for this sort of thing. XD That's why I'm not making an assumptions. Because...Near is Near? I don't like riding airplanes either by myself. ._.; I hate the thought of crashing and it scares me. Does that make me messed up? *Just giving you another viewpoint too* I'd probably be very much like Near in that sense. Actually, riding an airplane would be a last resort for me. I'd definitely definitely want to have someone with me.
I'm sure they have some sort of backup for Roger, as Roger was a backup for Watari. That would be a very bad system if they didn't. XD But since they did for Watari we can at the very least make that assumption (*ASSUMED too ahhh*) they do for Roger. Well, no kidding. I didn't say "everyone" had to die, that was more of a joke. But you have to assume people are going to die. Personally? I feel as if the Death Note is more than just an item to describe the series. It has a lot more meaning behind it then that. o 3o So actually I do believe it helps in the argument.
I will say this though, NOTHING in this world is completely good. So you are right. But regardless if it's a fictional place or not ...there will always be problems. That doesn't mean it's a horrible or shady system intentionally mentally messing up children there though. Perhaps what they feel they're doing is right, so can we really make the judgment call *lolLightYagamimoment* and say they are wrong in what they're doing? I honestly believe that Wammy's would never intentionally set them up for failure, rather they might be doing it accidentally then and need to change how they do things a bit. You know how like one thing can work for one person but not another? Like that. Let's use...Social Work for an example. Maybe a girl got raped and you have to help her make the decision whether she has an abortion or not. You can't let your own personal values effect how the client feels or do what's best for them. It's hard, but you have to do it. Maybe you say aborting would not be the way to go for her, but it turns out having the abortion would have been better since all this and blah blah blah happened. Basically, different things work for different people. Not everyone is the same.
Not really. Some people have disorders that cause poor social skills. It's not their fault, but luckily we have medicine, therapy, technology...etc to help them out. Not everyone has to be a social butterfly either and be a great person. It also doesn't mean they have a serious problem. To me, that's only looking at a person's disability and nothing else. That they are no one else or have other parts to them. Disabilities aren't what defines a person. Maybe in our culture that's how we view it though. Actually, looking at other cultures people may view JUST THAT as a gift rather than a disability. So that's all out how our cultures define us too for the most part.
Example: Shaman.
I'll put out a direction defintion.
"Shamanshä'mən, shā'–, shă'–, religious practitioner in various, generally small-scale societies who is believed to be able to diagnose, cure, and sometimes cause illness because of a special relationship with, or control over, spirits. Different forms of shamanism are found around the world; they are also known as medicine men and witch doctors."
American culture: WTF? They take drugs and stuff and see things?! Schizophrenic DEFINITELY lolololo. /pretty much
Shamans: Highly religious practice, very strong beliefs that they can see spirits and provide answers.
I find it all sort of interesting. XD Don't you? It's all about the definition of the situation. :B
I'm not saying anything against other people having an opinion. It's just that when I have discussions with people and they start giving really long answers they tend to decline into being a bigoted idiot and just insulting me.Not saying you're that way,but I'm just overly cautious of that type of thing happening again.People tend to take things too seriously after a matter of time.
For one thing though, Roger seems like a somewhat poor replacement for Watari and like they didn't exactly plan for him to become his replacement.It says that he hates children which leads to a lot of disturbing questions I won't bring up.And there isn't any indication that there really that they did that much planning ahead.
It probably is their admitted poor judgement. It's just a theory of mine and not meant to be taken that seriously. It just seems that if they're so smart and everything that they would have thought things through a little better. Just a little. I'm not really saying they'd have to do much
I know about disorders that cause poor social skills. I have terrible social skills and am not saying that makes someone a bad person. Just they can't always depend on someone dealing with everyone. I'm not just looking at that either. It's just so glaringly obvious that it cannot be ignored and is just such a major part of their character. It would make a lot more sense if it was toned down just a little considering Death Note isn't exactly a psychological series. It's not focusing on those types of problems so when that comes up it just makes it seem like poor child nuturing. Or really more like they didn't do it at all.
Looking at cultures really isn't the best way to look at this especially considering Wammy's House is in the UK, but Death Note takes place in Japan and is written by a Japanese person. There's too many cultures crossing adding the fact that some of them probably aren't from either country so it's hard to tell what country's culture to really look at.
Also the shaman thing. American culture can also mean Native American's which see shamans in a different light. So what qualifies as American culture is very hard to pinpoint considering all the different regions (ex. East Coast,West Coast,Midwest,South) that have highly differing cultures.
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:16 pm
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TaoShaman Sugar in Lemonade TaoShaman Sugar in Lemonade TaoShaman Sugar in Lemonade Yes. ;; <3
@Tao: From what I saw...no one took it wrong. No one assumed Watari wanted L dead. I answered your question at least how you wanted it. XD;
How is Wammy's evil? *Asks anyway* ...I'm pretty sure an Orphanage isn't usually evil. >> Since they're taking in kids with no parents. Charity, yatta yatta. Even if it's for geniuses. o-o It's basically human nature to want at least a little appreciate sometimes and not just have to assume they appreciate you.Unless Watari's an alien or something which a completely different topic. Pretty much nobody can work that hard without wanting at least a thank you or something every once and a while. Also it's kinda evil because they have a disturbingly high death rate and generally everyone that comes from there has some sort of mental issues with social standards.Social skills is an important thing to teach.That's negligance.There's so many things they should knpw when they leave that they don't.They die off really fast.
Just because we aren't shown specific scenes of L thanking Watari for his work doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Actually, I remember at the very least...one time in the anime where L says thank you to Watari for bringing food out. Regardless, they aren't going to show every single scene where it happens that L thanks Watari for something otherwise it would be called "Thank you, Note." <__<; In the books and other things, it is pretty clear they care for each other and since they're anime/manga characters it doesn't mean they have to follow the same standards that we in our society have to. Since they are fictional. Either way, I do a lot of nice things I'm never thanked for. Sure, I would like to be thanked but sometimes the good things people do are not in public or people don't expect to be thanked for. That's what we call integrity...it's good to have. That is how L's and Watari's relationship is...even if you are unable to see how it looks publicly. o 3o
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I can understand that but it is an orphanage of geniuses for a reason. They are all going to be socially awkward. Where someone is a genius in one thing they lack in another. Otherwise we would all be complete perfect beings and that would be pretty damn boring in my opinion. XD I don't really think it was neglected. Matt and Mello had decent social skills. Unlike Near and L. Mello could do things that Near couldn't because of it. People vary, whether they came from a super genius place called Wammy's or not. It's just more...I guess natural. You know how some people are more outgoing than others? It's like the nature vs nurture argument that can apply here. I'm more outgoing. Sure, my parents taught me things here and there but...I definitely vary from my father who is not outgoing at all. He helped raise me. So what does that say about me as a person?
Well, I'm just gonna throw this out here but... it is called "Death Note." <__< So...the entire point is people dying... whether they're good or bad. People are gonna die. The end. BUT. You can't say everyone from Wammy's died or blame that place. o-o; It just so happened the ONLY people that tried to STOP Kira were people from Wammy's...and the cops. So. Guess what? Many died on both sides. So if I use your argument that means the cops are evil too. : o Anyway, Near lived in the end...so I don't know what to tell you there. He still lives after Kira's reign too if you read the manga and still is kicking. o uo
First thing, I'm just going to stop this unless another person wants to comment because this is going in the wrong direction and is doomed to end badly like so many other conversations. Second, being a genius does not automatically mean you're socially awkward.They are training these people to be detectives.A major part of the job is having self-reliance and having to at least somewhat deal with people.That is the type of thing they should teach them.Yes, there's nature v. nurture but they still could at least try to help them.Near's how old and can't ride a plane by himself.What is Roger dies then what?The title Death Note does not mean oh everyone can die.It comes from the item Kira uses.There are series without the word death in the title and everyone on the planet dies so the title doesn't help this argument. I'm just saying that Wammy's House is far to shady to be thought of as completely good.There's way too much that seems like they're purposely setting them up to fail horribly in certain aspects.Yes people have flaws, but having social skills that poor is not a mere flaw it's a serious problem.
Nope, it doesn't. Bad wording on my part so I give you that. But with every person there are always flaws so you cannot expect everyone to be perfect. I wouldn't necessarily say that, it might be ideal to have those qualities but a detective could easily hire someone to deal with others as well.
How do you know what they're teaching them though? That's my question. There's no solid evidence anywhere in the Death Note series for this sort of thing. XD That's why I'm not making an assumptions. Because...Near is Near? I don't like riding airplanes either by myself. ._.; I hate the thought of crashing and it scares me. Does that make me messed up? *Just giving you another viewpoint too* I'd probably be very much like Near in that sense. Actually, riding an airplane would be a last resort for me. I'd definitely definitely want to have someone with me.
I'm sure they have some sort of backup for Roger, as Roger was a backup for Watari. That would be a very bad system if they didn't. XD But since they did for Watari we can at the very least make that assumption (*ASSUMED too ahhh*) they do for Roger. Well, no kidding. I didn't say "everyone" had to die, that was more of a joke. But you have to assume people are going to die. Personally? I feel as if the Death Note is more than just an item to describe the series. It has a lot more meaning behind it then that. o 3o So actually I do believe it helps in the argument.
I will say this though, NOTHING in this world is completely good. So you are right. But regardless if it's a fictional place or not ...there will always be problems. That doesn't mean it's a horrible or shady system intentionally mentally messing up children there though. Perhaps what they feel they're doing is right, so can we really make the judgment call *lolLightYagamimoment* and say they are wrong in what they're doing? I honestly believe that Wammy's would never intentionally set them up for failure, rather they might be doing it accidentally then and need to change how they do things a bit. You know how like one thing can work for one person but not another? Like that. Let's use...Social Work for an example. Maybe a girl got raped and you have to help her make the decision whether she has an abortion or not. You can't let your own personal values effect how the client feels or do what's best for them. It's hard, but you have to do it. Maybe you say aborting would not be the way to go for her, but it turns out having the abortion would have been better since all this and blah blah blah happened. Basically, different things work for different people. Not everyone is the same.
Not really. Some people have disorders that cause poor social skills. It's not their fault, but luckily we have medicine, therapy, technology...etc to help them out. Not everyone has to be a social butterfly either and be a great person. It also doesn't mean they have a serious problem. To me, that's only looking at a person's disability and nothing else. That they are no one else or have other parts to them. Disabilities aren't what defines a person. Maybe in our culture that's how we view it though. Actually, looking at other cultures people may view JUST THAT as a gift rather than a disability. So that's all out how our cultures define us too for the most part.
Example: Shaman.
I'll put out a direction defintion.
"Shamanshä'mən, shā'–, shă'–, religious practitioner in various, generally small-scale societies who is believed to be able to diagnose, cure, and sometimes cause illness because of a special relationship with, or control over, spirits. Different forms of shamanism are found around the world; they are also known as medicine men and witch doctors."
American culture: WTF? They take drugs and stuff and see things?! Schizophrenic DEFINITELY lolololo. /pretty much
Shamans: Highly religious practice, very strong beliefs that they can see spirits and provide answers.
I find it all sort of interesting. XD Don't you? It's all about the definition of the situation. :BI'm not saying anything against other people having an opinion. It's just that when I have discussions with people and they start giving really long answers they tend to decline into being a bigoted idiot and just insulting me.Not saying you're that way,but I'm just overly cautious of that type of thing happening again.People tend to take things too seriously after a matter of time. For one thing though, Roger seems like a somewhat poor replacement for Watari and like they didn't exactly plan for him to become his replacement.It says that he hates children which leads to a lot of disturbing questions I won't bring up.And there isn't any indication that there really that they did that much planning ahead. It probably is their admitted poor judgement. It's just a theory of mine and not meant to be taken that seriously. It just seems that if they're so smart and everything that they would have thought things through a little better. Just a little. I'm not really saying they'd have to do much I know about disorders that cause poor social skills. I have terrible social skills and am not saying that makes someone a bad person. Just they can't always depend on someone dealing with everyone. I'm not just looking at that either. It's just so glaringly obvious that it cannot be ignored and is just such a major part of their character. It would make a lot more sense if it was toned down just a little considering Death Note isn't exactly a psychological series. It's not focusing on those types of problems so when that comes up it just makes it seem like poor child nuturing. Or really more like they didn't do it at all. Looking at cultures really isn't the best way to look at this especially considering Wammy's House is in the UK, but Death Note takes place in Japan and is written by a Japanese person. There's too many cultures crossing adding the fact that some of them probably aren't from either country so it's hard to tell what country's culture to really look at. Also the shaman thing. American culture can also mean Native American's which see shamans in a different light. So what qualifies as American culture is very hard to pinpoint considering all the different regions (ex. East Coast,West Coast,Midwest,South) that have highly differing cultures. Also shaman in my name comes from an anime which defines shamans and something different.
Well, no one's done that yet so I wouldn't worry. : o But once again, you have to expect that people will be morons. <_<; Because most people are. Lmao.
Well, yes he is. But as I've said it was unexpected of Watari to die. I'm sure if you needed a quick replacement and had limited time there's only so much you can do. XD Eh, even though Roger may hate kids... he respected Watari so I am sure he would uphold all the principles and treat the kids nicely (even if he secretly hates them). o uo
Ah, but there's NO indication that they didn't either right? :B Just saying.
Well, you made the thread so it's for fun and serious business too. :> Perhaps we should TAKE OVER WAMMY'S and show them who's the better leader. *If only we could ;; *
It's how you came off as though. Well, even if Death Note isn't "categorized" as psychological, it still has a lot of elements that make it that way. xD; But really if we want to go SUPER in depth they're just there to give the character small quirks. It's like saying Usagi from Sailor Moon is messed up due to her klutziness. It's meant for fun and to create a unique character, that's all.
Really? Culture plays a role in our everyday life. o-o; Culture is much more than just lifestyles. It shapes us into who we are. How we define ourselves physically, emotionally, personality. Etc. It's a large spectrum. So I would beg to differ on that. For all we know the characters and where they come from...then moving to another place changed them drastically. That would be interesting to look into. : o Maybe Near was relatively normal before being placed in Wammy's, a forgein place yatta yatta. I have a friend who's not from America and she had to re-adjust herself immensely to feel as if she "fit in." Some people balance both cultures but more regularly you find in...DUN DUN DUN... ACCULTURATION.
Oh, in all honestly LMAO I didn't even see your username until you said that. It just popped in my mind soooo. xD; TOO MUCH WORLD CIV ON THE BRAIN. Derp.
Native Americans can also do the same to American culture. It goes back and forth.
Do you want me to pinpoint them specifically then? o uo It might take awhile. I was giving you a small example on a larger scale. There's no need to pick it apart too thoroughly, as long as the concept is understood and grasped. My point was that we all have different views. :B
Uhh...my name comes from...sugar. I like candy. /shot |
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:23 pm
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Sugar in Lemonade TaoShaman Sugar in Lemonade TaoShaman Sugar in Lemonade First off:
Just because we aren't shown specific scenes of L thanking Watari for his work doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Actually, I remember at the very least...one time in the anime where L says thank you to Watari for bringing food out. Regardless, they aren't going to show every single scene where it happens that L thanks Watari for something otherwise it would be called "Thank you, Note." <__<; In the books and other things, it is pretty clear they care for each other and since they're anime/manga characters it doesn't mean they have to follow the same standards that we in our society have to. Since they are fictional. Either way, I do a lot of nice things I'm never thanked for. Sure, I would like to be thanked but sometimes the good things people do are not in public or people don't expect to be thanked for. That's what we call integrity...it's good to have. That is how L's and Watari's relationship is...even if you are unable to see how it looks publicly. o 3o
Second off:
I can understand that but it is an orphanage of geniuses for a reason. They are all going to be socially awkward. Where someone is a genius in one thing they lack in another. Otherwise we would all be complete perfect beings and that would be pretty damn boring in my opinion. XD I don't really think it was neglected. Matt and Mello had decent social skills. Unlike Near and L. Mello could do things that Near couldn't because of it. People vary, whether they came from a super genius place called Wammy's or not. It's just more...I guess natural. You know how some people are more outgoing than others? It's like the nature vs nurture argument that can apply here. I'm more outgoing. Sure, my parents taught me things here and there but...I definitely vary from my father who is not outgoing at all. He helped raise me. So what does that say about me as a person?
Well, I'm just gonna throw this out here but... it is called "Death Note." <__< So...the entire point is people dying... whether they're good or bad. People are gonna die. The end. BUT. You can't say everyone from Wammy's died or blame that place. o-o; It just so happened the ONLY people that tried to STOP Kira were people from Wammy's...and the cops. So. Guess what? Many died on both sides. So if I use your argument that means the cops are evil too. : o Anyway, Near lived in the end...so I don't know what to tell you there. He still lives after Kira's reign too if you read the manga and still is kicking. o uo
First thing, I'm just going to stop this unless another person wants to comment because this is going in the wrong direction and is doomed to end badly like so many other conversations. Second, being a genius does not automatically mean you're socially awkward.They are training these people to be detectives.A major part of the job is having self-reliance and having to at least somewhat deal with people.That is the type of thing they should teach them.Yes, there's nature v. nurture but they still could at least try to help them.Near's how old and can't ride a plane by himself.What is Roger dies then what?The title Death Note does not mean oh everyone can die.It comes from the item Kira uses.There are series without the word death in the title and everyone on the planet dies so the title doesn't help this argument. I'm just saying that Wammy's House is far to shady to be thought of as completely good.There's way too much that seems like they're purposely setting them up to fail horribly in certain aspects.Yes people have flaws, but having social skills that poor is not a mere flaw it's a serious problem.
Nope, it doesn't. Bad wording on my part so I give you that. But with every person there are always flaws so you cannot expect everyone to be perfect. I wouldn't necessarily say that, it might be ideal to have those qualities but a detective could easily hire someone to deal with others as well.
How do you know what they're teaching them though? That's my question. There's no solid evidence anywhere in the Death Note series for this sort of thing. XD That's why I'm not making an assumptions. Because...Near is Near? I don't like riding airplanes either by myself. ._.; I hate the thought of crashing and it scares me. Does that make me messed up? *Just giving you another viewpoint too* I'd probably be very much like Near in that sense. Actually, riding an airplane would be a last resort for me. I'd definitely definitely want to have someone with me.
I'm sure they have some sort of backup for Roger, as Roger was a backup for Watari. That would be a very bad system if they didn't. XD But since they did for Watari we can at the very least make that assumption (*ASSUMED too ahhh*) they do for Roger. Well, no kidding. I didn't say "everyone" had to die, that was more of a joke. But you have to assume people are going to die. Personally? I feel as if the Death Note is more than just an item to describe the series. It has a lot more meaning behind it then that. o 3o So actually I do believe it helps in the argument.
I will say this though, NOTHING in this world is completely good. So you are right. But regardless if it's a fictional place or not ...there will always be problems. That doesn't mean it's a horrible or shady system intentionally mentally messing up children there though. Perhaps what they feel they're doing is right, so can we really make the judgment call *lolLightYagamimoment* and say they are wrong in what they're doing? I honestly believe that Wammy's would never intentionally set them up for failure, rather they might be doing it accidentally then and need to change how they do things a bit. You know how like one thing can work for one person but not another? Like that. Let's use...Social Work for an example. Maybe a girl got raped and you have to help her make the decision whether she has an abortion or not. You can't let your own personal values effect how the client feels or do what's best for them. It's hard, but you have to do it. Maybe you say aborting would not be the way to go for her, but it turns out having the abortion would have been better since all this and blah blah blah happened. Basically, different things work for different people. Not everyone is the same.
Not really. Some people have disorders that cause poor social skills. It's not their fault, but luckily we have medicine, therapy, technology...etc to help them out. Not everyone has to be a social butterfly either and be a great person. It also doesn't mean they have a serious problem. To me, that's only looking at a person's disability and nothing else. That they are no one else or have other parts to them. Disabilities aren't what defines a person. Maybe in our culture that's how we view it though. Actually, looking at other cultures people may view JUST THAT as a gift rather than a disability. So that's all out how our cultures define us too for the most part.
Example: Shaman.
I'll put out a direction defintion.
"Shamanshä'mən, shā'–, shă'–, religious practitioner in various, generally small-scale societies who is believed to be able to diagnose, cure, and sometimes cause illness because of a special relationship with, or control over, spirits. Different forms of shamanism are found around the world; they are also known as medicine men and witch doctors."
American culture: WTF? They take drugs and stuff and see things?! Schizophrenic DEFINITELY lolololo. /pretty much
Shamans: Highly religious practice, very strong beliefs that they can see spirits and provide answers.
I find it all sort of interesting. XD Don't you? It's all about the definition of the situation. :BI'm not saying anything against other people having an opinion. It's just that when I have discussions with people and they start giving really long answers they tend to decline into being a bigoted idiot and just insulting me.Not saying you're that way,but I'm just overly cautious of that type of thing happening again.People tend to take things too seriously after a matter of time. For one thing though, Roger seems like a somewhat poor replacement for Watari and like they didn't exactly plan for him to become his replacement.It says that he hates children which leads to a lot of disturbing questions I won't bring up.And there isn't any indication that there really that they did that much planning ahead. It probably is their admitted poor judgement. It's just a theory of mine and not meant to be taken that seriously. It just seems that if they're so smart and everything that they would have thought things through a little better. Just a little. I'm not really saying they'd have to do much I know about disorders that cause poor social skills. I have terrible social skills and am not saying that makes someone a bad person. Just they can't always depend on someone dealing with everyone. I'm not just looking at that either. It's just so glaringly obvious that it cannot be ignored and is just such a major part of their character. It would make a lot more sense if it was toned down just a little considering Death Note isn't exactly a psychological series. It's not focusing on those types of problems so when that comes up it just makes it seem like poor child nuturing. Or really more like they didn't do it at all. Looking at cultures really isn't the best way to look at this especially considering Wammy's House is in the UK, but Death Note takes place in Japan and is written by a Japanese person. There's too many cultures crossing adding the fact that some of them probably aren't from either country so it's hard to tell what country's culture to really look at. Also the shaman thing. American culture can also mean Native American's which see shamans in a different light. So what qualifies as American culture is very hard to pinpoint considering all the different regions (ex. East Coast,West Coast,Midwest,South) that have highly differing cultures. Also shaman in my name comes from an anime which defines shamans and something different.
Well, yes he is. But as I've said it was unexpected of Watari to die. I'm sure if you needed a quick replacement and had limited time there's only so much you can do. XD Eh, even though Roger may hate kids... he respected Watari so I am sure he would uphold all the principles and treat the kids nicely (even if he secretly hates them). o uo
Ah, but there's NO indication that they didn't either right? :B Just saying.
Well, you made the thread so it's for fun and serious business too. :> Perhaps we should TAKE OVER WAMMY'S and show them who's the better leader. *If only we could ;; *
It's how you came off as though. Well, even if Death Note isn't "categorized" as psychological, it still has a lot of elements that make it that way. xD; But really if we want to go SUPER in depth they're just there to give the character small quirks. It's like saying Usagi from Sailor Moon is messed up due to her klutziness. It's meant for fun and to create a unique character, that's all.
Really? Culture plays a role in our everyday life. o-o; Culture is much more than just lifestyles. It shapes us into who we are. How we define ourselves physically, emotionally, personality. Etc. It's a large spectrum. So I would beg to differ on that. For all we know the characters and where they come from...then moving to another place changed them drastically. That would be interesting to look into. : o Maybe Near was relatively normal before being placed in Wammy's, a forgein place yatta yatta. I have a friend who's not from America and she had to re-adjust herself immensely to feel as if she "fit in." Some people balance both cultures but more regularly you find in...DUN DUN DUN... ACCULTURATION.
Oh, in all honestly LMAO I didn't even see your username until you said that. It just popped in my mind soooo. xD; TOO MUCH WORLD CIV ON THE BRAIN. Derp.
Native Americans can also do the same to American culture. It goes back and forth.
Do you want me to pinpoint them specifically then? o uo It might take awhile. I was giving you a small example on a larger scale. There's no need to pick it apart too thoroughly, as long as the concept is understood and grasped. My point was that we all have different views. :B
Uhh...my name comes from...sugar. I like candy. /shot
Most people really are.
It still seems like they should have at least thought about the possibility.Also the fact that Roger was looking after them in the first place.He hates kids, yet works at an orphanage. That's just asking for trouble.Seems like they would have had better planning for something like that.They planned for L's death ,but not Watari's.Really?
That would be interesting. Still I'm just overly cautious when people take things I don't mean as serious seriously.Like I said it always turns into a nightmare.
I didn't mean to come off that way if I did. Any series really could be called psychological, just it really isn't the focus of Death Note. Psychological concepts are more the focus of series like Evangelion and MPD Psycho which are nothing like Death Note.They explore what those concepts mean and why the characters have them purposely by the author.Doing the same thing to a non-psychological based series is like over-analyzing books in ways they aren't meant to.
I know culture is important.I've moved about every 4 years of my life and have had to adjust.It's just too large of a concept to properly address with such limited information. They way they are is too major of a possible change to purely be from a culture change.
I know cultures can have misconceptions about any other culture.It's kind of the point of them being different.There will always by misconceptions.Like how most people's thought on places like California and Nevada are completely wrong.Yet people there have misconceptions about places like Kansas too.Having different views is just life.I know this. stare |
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 12:58 pm
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That's why it's good to have people like us debate. Lmao.
Well, they had a derp moment. Can't say I blame them though, considering it was just that abrupt. If the kids didn't mind though I don't think it's too big a deal. I'm sure Roger wasn't the only adult running around doing things either. :3 Apparently Watari is not as important lmao. Wammy fail.
That's because people can't think more in depth. *Just gonna say it* Much like yaoi fangirls going AHHHH LxLIGHT at the foot massage scene when there are absolutely no sexual implications there as L IS ABOUT TO FREAKING DIE, it's SAD, and it's an exact biblical reference. Bl All they see is buttsex apparently. It gets me pissed. Death Note is chalk full of religious references too. I find it interesting. Even the opening credits have specific drawings meant to look like portraits of famous things.
The day L x Light have buttsex is the day the world will end.
Yeah, they don't but more in depth thinking leads us to seeing the psychological parts at least. :3 Evangelion ******** EVERYWHERE. ...Ah. I like over analyzing things. ;D It gets you thinking = makes you smarter. Sometimes it's fun to do, unless it's for a class. Haha. The author may give little symbols for things that you are actually supposed to over analyze. You never know. As long as you're having fun I don't think it should matter too much. ^^
Hopefully not from somewhere too far, but yes even states or...hell, even two hours away from where I live it was quite a culture shock. Well, I could but then this wouldn't be a Death note discussion or rather it would have a small relation to it all lmao. That's why I pinpointed a small part specifically. :B
You sure? Because like I said, everybody's different. Maybe not ALL of them, but there could be a few. As for my friend, she had to change herself entirely and only has a little speck left of who she used to be. Not to mention, god forbid we even know WHY they are orphans. I mean, say for example...if I saw my family slaughtered before me and became an orphan. Yeah, I'd probably be pretty messed up. A lot. Luckily, I'm the type of person that can move on pretty well...but damn that would take a while. Maybe Mello's family got EXPLODED BY WILLY WONKA'S FACTORY. /shot
Nahhh, it's just ignorance is all. People who don't know and automatically assume something about one's culture or make stereotypical judgments need to learn more. ...TOTO, WE'RE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE. *I'm sorry I had too lol*
Then good. :p I think we both got this officially covered all the way and anyone that says otherwise is derping. *THUMBS UP OHHH YEAH* biggrin
So basically to sum this up. WAMMY'S SHOULD HAVE PREPARED BETTER and not been retarded about it. /END
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Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:34 pm
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Sugar in Lemonade That's why it's good to have people like us debate. Lmao.
Well, they had a derp moment. Can't say I blame them though, considering it was just that abrupt. If the kids didn't mind though I don't think it's too big a deal. I'm sure Roger wasn't the only adult running around doing things either. :3 Apparently Watari is not as important lmao. Wammy fail.
That's because people can't think more in depth. *Just gonna say it* Much like yaoi fangirls going AHHHH LxLIGHT at the foot massage scene when there are absolutely no sexual implications there as L IS ABOUT TO FREAKING DIE, it's SAD, and it's an exact biblical reference. Bl All they see is buttsex apparently. It gets me pissed. Death Note is chalk full of religious references too. I find it interesting. Even the opening credits have specific drawings meant to look like portraits of famous things.
The day L x Light have buttsex is the day the world will end.
Yeah, they don't but more in depth thinking leads us to seeing the psychological parts at least. :3 Evangelion ******** EVERYWHERE. ...Ah. I like over analyzing things. ;D It gets you thinking = makes you smarter. Sometimes it's fun to do, unless it's for a class. Haha. The author may give little symbols for things that you are actually supposed to over analyze. You never know. As long as you're having fun I don't think it should matter too much. ^^
Hopefully not from somewhere too far, but yes even states or...hell, even two hours away from where I live it was quite a culture shock. Well, I could but then this wouldn't be a Death note discussion or rather it would have a small relation to it all lmao. That's why I pinpointed a small part specifically. :B
You sure? Because like I said, everybody's different. Maybe not ALL of them, but there could be a few. As for my friend, she had to change herself entirely and only has a little speck left of who she used to be. Not to mention, god forbid we even know WHY they are orphans. I mean, say for example...if I saw my family slaughtered before me and became an orphan. Yeah, I'd probably be pretty messed up. A lot. Luckily, I'm the type of person that can move on pretty well...but damn that would take a while. Maybe Mello's family got EXPLODED BY WILLY WONKA'S FACTORY. /shot
Nahhh, it's just ignorance is all. People who don't know and automatically assume something about one's culture or make stereotypical judgments need to learn more. ...TOTO, WE'RE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE. *I'm sorry I had too lol*
Then good. :p I think we both got this officially covered all the way and anyone that says otherwise is derping. *THUMBS UP OHHH YEAH* biggrin
So basically to sum this up. WAMMY'S SHOULD HAVE PREPARED BETTER and not been retarded about it. /END
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Sometimes debates do get out of hand.
I guess they did just have extremely poor planning.That's just kind of their own fault I guess.
There are a lot of references. That would be interesting though.Just have to admit it would.
Still sometimes people analyzing things in a way completely different than the author intended.Like everyone says Farenheit 451 is about censorship when it's not.The author says it's about the evils of TV and radio and people even tell him he's wrong when it's his book so he can't be.It's hard to tell what the author may mean.
I recently moved over halfway across the US. Still, it seems very unlikely they'd change that much just from moving. I doubt they moved from that far. It's not like he'd really go around the world searching for little orphan kids. That's creepy.
Why might be something.But any "responsible" orphanage would get them mental health if it was that bad. And why would Mello eat chocolate if that happened, wouldn't he be like DIE CHOCOLATE DIE RAWR RAWR RAWR!!!!
Even though many stereotypes come from at least somewhat the truth and a lot are just lies, but often they come from the truth. Like pretty much everything I though about Kansas ended up being true.
Agreed. They should just plan waaaaaaaaay better. Maybe hire a planning consultant if that's a real thing. I think it is.Maybe.Probably.90% sure.^_^' |
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