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Well, you're not really doing yourself a favor if you're trying to get a gothic style using Tripp pants and Slayer shirts. More a metalhead look than anything else.

But if you seriously are interested, I'm not sure what you can do to convince her. One possible issue may be that they're a bit expensive, and another is that frequent use may ruin them.

As others have pointed out, I will summarize and compound-

Tripp Pants (those which you are talking about):

- Fairly expensive. $55 MSRP, but I've seen them sold for as high as $95.
- Low Endurance. Despite their tough look, most Tripp pants are actually poorly made. Ripping completely at the seems isn't uncommon, and loosing chains and other accessories (after getting caught on something and torn off) is virtually unavoidable. The fabric fades pretty quickly too. Note that all of this information is coming from the son of a Home Ec. teacher / professional seamstress.
- Not designed for goths. The pants shown are primarily meant to appeal to metal fans (particularly those into thrash)... and the mallcore. Some people now go so far as to directly associate Tripp pants with mallgoths (i.e. "posers").
- Impractical for most wear. The pants are very heavy, fairly loud, and get caught on all sorts of things. If you get used to them (so I'm told by a black-metal-scene friend who wears such pants daily), it's not too bad though. However, fair warning (from the same friend, who also happens to be a fairly petite girl)- if you wear styles with heavier chains, ALWAYS wear a TIGHT belt (she's experienced and has seen multiple girls have their pants drop to their ankles suddenly because of the weight).

im not going to tell you if they are "goth" or not.

you could buy a pair and hide them and wear them when your parents arnt looking. then if you really think they are that fun to wear buy another pair and continue to wear them until your parents freak out and then continue to wear them anyway if you think that clothing is really worth the argument.

Hm, I must've missed the memo on that one...

Unfortunately, my mum is a no-no when it comes to supporting the Goth that is me; so I'm not allowed to wear white foundation until I'm WAY older (and only on occasions) not to mention I'm only allowed to wear heavy outfits or black lipstick to big parties with my outcasts (which btw are my old school friends who, along with me, were social outcasts). So I have to keep my culture on the down-low. And how unfair is it that I'm not allowed to listen to Cradle of Filth anymore?! My parents stink stare .

Perhaps you were busy, in the goth rock thread, while it was being handed out? razz

White foundation is the "no-no" here. White foundation looks tacky. Very cheap, very theatrical. While I can understand your frustration, I suggest you look to pale or off-white foundation. Something that is very fair in tone, but doesn't look unnatural or cheesy.



Too bad about the outfits, but again, the "no-no" in this case is black lipstick. Black lipstick draws attention to flaws in your teeth, and generally looks unclean. Not cool Giger unclean, but "I wonder if she has herpes of the mouth" unclean. Go for very dark tones, not stark black.



Many parents try to supress subcultural interests, due to the fair amount of critcisms the cultures draw. Though, I hardly see what keep goth on the DL has to with not being allowed to listen to a metal band.