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Cynthia_Rosenweiss

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:20 pm


'Sup fellow science freaks. I hate to be the one to bruit about unsubstantiated rumours and hearsay, but this one is a bit too juicy to ignore, namely that the Higgs boson may have been experimentally detected already:

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A rumor flying around physics departments these last few weeks claims that physicists working at the Tevatron, an accelerator located outside of Chicago, have found something new. Originally passed by word of mouth and private e-mail, the rumor made it into the blogosphere May 28, with an anonymous comment on the blog of a particle physicist living in Venice, Italy. Since then, the rumor has spread....It claims an experiment at the Tevatron has found a peak twice as high as the previous rumors' bumps. And unlike the other rumors, this one includes details: the new particle's mass, for instance, which fits within theoretical bounds on the standard model Higgs. Some versions include a decay chain, which describes what the new particle turned into as the experiment progressed, and which may be consistent with the standard model's predictions.

Of course, the rumor also claims that no one associated with the experiment will confirm the new findings until they've had time to publish, likely within the next few weeks. And until they do, no one can be certain what the Tevatron has—or has not—found.

The hype surrounding the Higgs boson is well-deserved. The standard model, a unified view of physics first presented by John Iliopoulos in 1974, describes everything we know about the smallest building blocks of nature yet observed. It's the most accurate theory ever developed, in any field. And without the Higgs, it doesn't make much sense: Based purely on first principles, elementary particles should be massless. Some, like photons, do have zero mass; yet others are surprisingly heavy. Enter the Higgs, which would—in theory—interact with these latter particles to make the difference.

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But what happens if the Higgs turns out to be just right? Well, then the standard model predicts that you'd need a machine roughly a quadrillion times more powerful than the LHC to find anything new. With current technology, this would mean an accelerator the circumference of the Milky Way. Though some theorists—proponents, for instance, of string theory—speculate about what such an accelerator might find, few other physicists take them seriously.

In fact, finding the "just right" Higgs would be bad news all around. Surely the European Union wants more for its $8 billion than a single particle. But more importantly, it would provide the final proof of the standard model, which happens to be clunky, boring, and infuriatingly silent on the Big Questions that the final theory of physics was supposed to answer. Questions like: Why is there something, rather than nothing? And where does gravity fit in? If the standard model turns out to be a complete description of particle behavior, as the discovery of the Higgs would suggest, these questions may never be answered.

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Reading this, I hope there are at least a few holes in the Standard Model!
PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:38 am


I thought the energy needed to find the Higgs boson was not achievable with current particle accelerators, I wouldn't put money on them having found it, still, why keep it secret? if you're the only one with the data who else can possibly publish first? Where did you find this 'rumour'? Clearly if they haven't said a word then they are not sure what they found and calling it a higgs boson is both premature and irresponsible. But then again, that's what you said in your thread name. rumour mongerer!

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Cynthia_Rosenweiss

PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:25 pm


Maybe they're not 100% sure it's the Higgs boson yet....
PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:24 pm


Cynthia_Rosenweiss
Maybe they're not 100% sure it's the Higgs boson yet....


I'm guessing that's it. Some scientist was like, "omg this could be it but it'll take months or years more testing before we get anything to the 3-sigma uncertainty limit, and no one else in the lab is as optimistic."

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nonameladyofsins

PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:48 pm


Swordmaster Dragon
Cynthia_Rosenweiss
Maybe they're not 100% sure it's the Higgs boson yet....


I'm guessing that's it. Some scientist was like, "omg this could be it but it'll take months or years more testing before we get anything to the 3-sigma uncertainty limit, and no one else in the lab is as optimistic."


yay for the messiness of reality getting in the way
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:53 pm


Can I say that that the signal was only around two standard deviations above background and was only observed in one of the channels being observed? I would be shocked if it was a Higgs signal. Standard policy is to only claim discovery when you have a signal five s.d. above background to avoid the embarrassment of having to admit that it was only a bug or a statistical fluctuation [which is far more likely].

The Tevatron will be exceptionally lucky to observe the Higgs before the LHC. It simply does not have the resolution to do it without a bit of "help". Well, I say that, I'm not a Higgs analysis…

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