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Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:11 pm


Surface Area sizes
Surface area is only a rough determinant of armor and vehicle weight. Armor is often of different thickness in different areas, with top and side armor, as well as rear, often being weaker than the front or bottom, if the bottom needs to be protected against mines or IED's. Armor thickness by itself does not determine effectiveness, as spaced armor, sloped armor, and different types of armor all have an impact on performance. Against certain types of projectiles or weapons, such as shaped charges or armor piercing sabots, armor will perform differently. Ceramics are usually better against harder or higher velocity rounds, while kevlar or twaron absorbs energy better, and steel is all around a good combination of all of these, but heavy. Exact armor rating depends on the projectile, the spaced nature, and other factors. Explosive reactive armor for example behaves literally nothing like normal armor, being explosive to counter threats rather than simply having good mechanical properties and high strength for it's weight. Nonetheless rough ideas of strength for their weight can be determined, for the baseline materials.

In addition, the weight of the engine, wheels and drive train, and turret need to be compensated for, as well as internal finishings. On top of this is the weight of ammunition and weapons loaded on top of it, which can add quite a bit depending on the configuration. The height of the vehicle is determined by the internal cabin and not by the height of the vehicle itself; so for example a stryker vehicle may be 9 foot tall at the turret, but only the height of hte vehicle (the vehicle minus it's clearance level) is calculated. A standard vehicle is typically 4.5-5 foot high for the cabin, while a stryker or similar vehicle needs to be 6 foot high to stand in, and 7 foot high for soldiers to stand in with full gear or if they are unusually tall. Idealistically height will be as low as possible, to save on size and and weight, but it needs to be a certain height to contain soldiers, and idealistically would be 6 foot tall for soldiers to be able to quickly disembark like in a Stryker.


Standard Box configuration- (Length x height x width)
22 x 7 x 8 (Length x height x width)
(22 x 7) + (22 x 8 ) + (7 x 8 )
154 + 176 + 56 = 386 = 772, 800

26 x 6 x 8
(26 x 6) + (22 x 8 ) + (6 x 8 )
156 + 176 + 48 = 380 = 760 (800)

28 x 5 x 8
(28 x 5) + (28 x 8 ) + (5 x 8 )
140 + 224 + 40 = 404 = 808 (800)




AR500 - 8,000 pounds (4 tons) for .25 inch, 16,000 pounds (8 tons) for .5 inch, 24,000 pounds (12 tons) for .75 inch.

Engine block 4-6 feet, 16-18 feet of back space
Theoretical maximum space: 24 soldiers, probably less due to interior space issues, sloped design, tracks, and so on



LAV-25 Configuration
21 x 5 x 8 (Length x height x width)
(22 x 5) + (21 x 8 ) + (5 x 8 )
105 + 168 + 40 = 386 = 626

Humvee
Length 15 x 7 x 4.5
(15 x 7) + (15 x 4.5) + (7 x 4.5)
90 + 67.5 + 31.5 = 189 = 378 (400)

Length 20 x 7 x 4.5
(15 x 7) + (15 x 4.5) + (7 x 4.5)
140 + 90 + 31.5 = 261.5 = 523


M113 Configuration
16 x 6 x 9
(16 x 6) + (16 x 9) + (9 x 6)
96+ 144 + 54 = 294 x 2 = 588

Extended M113 (+6 soldiers)
21 x 6 x 9
(21 x 6) + (21 x 9) + (9 x 6)
126 + 189 + 54 = 369 x 2 = 738

Extended M113 (+8 soldiers)
25 x 6 x 8
(25 x 6) + (25 x cool + (6 x cool
150 + 200 + 48 = 369 x 2 = 796



M44 APC
21 x 10 x 7
(21 x 10) + (21 x 7) + (10 x 7)
210 + 147 + 70 = 427 x 2 = 854
PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 2:31 pm


Cost and strength determinations
Plates designed for infantry use and plates designed for mass production are invariably going to cost different prices, with mass production being chaper. A standard AR500 steel plate for the chest, which is actually less than 1 square foot in area (10 x 12 inches, or 120 inches, 1.2 times less than a full square foot at 144 inches) is approximately 65 dollars, giving a price fairly close to 90 dollars per square foot for a quarter inch of steel. However, an AR500 half inch thick steel plate designed for target practice that's 22 x 30 inches is only 300 dollars, which equates 4.6 square foot or 65 dollars per square foot, for half an inch, double the thickness, which is over half the price of standard AR500 steel plates. Buying in bulk often saves prices, and so on a large vehicle the price of the armor is likely to go down. How much so depends on the product, with as much as half the reduction in price being possible. This is in part based on manufacturer's intent, and in part based on the price of cutting, with cutting or shaping of the armor being a large chunk of the price, especially when that requires CNC lasers. For titanium this is particularly true, being 9% of the earth's crust and almost as common as iron while being more common than even nickel or zinc, but being very hard to process. Titanium alloys are used instead, when reduces the price, and new manufacturing methods have dropped the price considerably in recent years, hence it's use in the M240L, Mk. 48 and M777 howitzer. Titanium is an attractive option, because it is just as strong but only twice the price of steel, whilebeing 40% lighter weight, and is inherently temperature and corrosion resistant, being submersible in salt water without accruing much damage. While a protective coating can be used instead to prevent corrosion, titanium is nice to have, and typically a bit stronger, although more brittle than steel. Titanium plates are approximately 6.2 pounds, or 7.5 pounds per square foot, a bit lighter than AR500 at 10 pounds or more, or between 25-35% lighter, but 150 dollars per plate (2-4 times more expensive than AR500, although in mass production it's likely cheaper).

Dyneema, is perhaps the strongest material for it's weight, but is best paired with a ceramic to give it the ability to stop armor piercing rounds. At least 5-6 pounds are needed per square foot in order to stop and armor piercing 7.62mm x54mm, with 5 pounds being used on Navy seal boats, and 3.3 pounds per square foot or 2.75 pounds being used for hard plates to stop level III-A.308 rounds. Certain types of dyneema configurations are stronger, such as those with a dome shape or reinforcing matrix, which is not as commonly used. By itself 3.3 pounds are needed per square foot to stop a .308, and 6 pounds are needed for an armor piercing rounds, with slightly less if a ceramic outer coating is used. Nonetheless this results in the lightest armor possible, although it is expensive, around 200-400 dollars per square foot. Going by .308 plate prices it's 200 dollars, but mass production is often cheaper.

Ceramics are not stronger than steel per say, but their high hardness is able to stop bullets steel often cannot, such as tungsten tipped armor piercing rounds, which is why they are better for use against high end threats, but often requires a backing of kevlar or dyneema, or another material. Ceramics are also cheaper in mass production, and can be made stronger via a superior configuration, such as using a chobham style armor matrix to increase the strength and reduce the chance of the entire sheet of material cracking at once. Chobham armor is often more expensive due to the difficulty of making the armor, but can be mass produced if some strength is lost, as the tightness of the tiles in the matrix determines it's strength. The looser the tiles the lower the price, and the weaker the armor. Exacting pricing various considerably based on performance type.

Ceramics are the most difficult to determine, with a wide arrangement of prices and configurations available. The best are dyneema backed ceramics, with ceramics of different types being used. At approximately 7 pounds and 300 dollars per plate [1], ceramic armor varies widely but is consistently around this weight and size when backed with dyneema, although it can be more or less depending on the armor type. Mass production armor is bound to be cheaper, especially if it is not curved, but how much so depends heavily on production style. AR500 ceramic armor for example is only 150 dollars per plate, but 7.5 pounds instead. This comes down to approximately 8.5 to 10 pounds per square foot for the armor, with the lightest plate being 4.4 pounds, or 5.3 pounds per square foot at 400 dollars per plate, or 480 per square foot . Like AR500 steel, doubling the thickness usually allows for .50 caliber protection (up from .30 caliber), and tripling it allows for slightly better protection than that. Ceramic armor is decidedly more expensive at 150-360, or even up to 480 dollars per square foot (multiplied by the thickness needed to stop certain rounds, single double or tripple), but some variants are comparable to dyneema or titanium armor.

Kevlar and Twaron are the most difficult to determine. While widely used in many vehicles, such as the Humvee and Stryker, their strength varies considerably and often is not very good in comparison to other sources. Twaron by far is better than kevlar due to it's higher chemical, UV, and heat resistance, as well being better at both high and low velocity projectiles, but has only recently come in to use. Kevlar and Twaron suffer from high brittleness and low hardness which marks them susceptible to high velocity or armor piercing rounds, and thus while it's energy absorption is high, it's ability to stop bullets is lower than it's strength would suggest, especially against rifle rounds. Twaron and Kevlar are best used as a backing to harder armor, such as steel or ceramics, to increase the overall strength and energy absorption, and to absorb fragmentation, but not stop projectiles themselves. Humvees for example ran Kevlar and Twaron are approximately 1 pound for level III-A armor, and 5 pounds for the ability to stop a 7.62mm x 51mm NATO round, but the truth is that armor piercing rounds will get though, as well as other high velocity rounds. The effectiveness depends on the surface material which will fragment or break-up rounds before it enters the softer armor below, and to reinforce the armor without needing the same weight. So, instead of using .75 inches of AR500 armor, you might use .5 inches with 5 pounds of backing from kevlar or twaron to boost the strength and impact resistant. It also increases volume, which has an effect similar to spaced armor, as typically a pound or so of material is 1 inch thick, much more than steel. Typically, this armor is made in to laminated sheets and hardened through the use of epoxy resin and pressure, which can weaken it a bit given that less material is kevlar or twaron, but strengths it by making it harder. It typically ends up being the same strength as kevlar, but can be slightly more or less depending on the configuration.


AR-500 Steel- Plate comparison, 10 pounds per square foot, 35-80 dollars per square foot
8,000 pounds (4 tons) for .25 inch, 16,000 pounds (8 tons) for .5 inch, 24,000 pounds (12 tons) for .75 inch.

Titanium- Plate Comparison 7.5 pounds per square foot, 80-150 dollars per square foot
6,000 pounds (3 tons) for .25 inch, 12,000 pounds (6 tons) for .5 inch, 18,000 pounds (9 tons) for .75 inch.

Dyneema- Plate comparison, 3-6 pounds per square foot (.7 to 1.4 inches) 100-200 (200-400) dollars per square foot
4,800 pounds (2.4 tons) for 7.62mm, 9,600 pounds (4.8 tons) for .50 caliber, 14,400 pounds (7.2 tons) for .75 inch.

Ceramic - Plate comparison, 8.5-12 pounds per foot, 300-400 dollars per square foot, 150 dollars
6,800 pounds (3.4 tons), 13,600 pounds (6.8 tons), 20,400 pounds (10.2 tons)

Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
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Iamnotsuicidesoldier1
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:50 pm


Perforated Armor
Perforated armor is armor with holes in it, small enough to stop the majority of small arms projectiles, but large enough to reduce the weight of the armor by 2 to 3 times the amount. While less effective against small shrapnel which can pass through the holes, the armor is sufficient to stop most small arms projectiles, and when paired with existing armor that has no holes behind it, is substantially more effective. As outer armor to protect the underarmor below, and to take the place of spaced or caged armor to prematurely detonate warheads of shaped charge weapons, it is very effective. In combination with existing armor, as layers for spaced armor or if added to existing armor, it can substantially improve protection levels.

Chobham armor is armor which utilizes ceramic and steel in a variety of ways. Typically, ceramic tiles are placed on steel, and the strong backing of the steel absorbs the energy of the blast, while the harder outer ceramic breaks up, fragments or deflects oncoming projectiles. Typically, another outer layer of steel armor is used, to help stop small arms rounds such as rifle rounds or shrapnel, and to protect the more fragile ceramic from repeated strikes from smaller, faster firing weapons, such as machine guns. The principle is effectively the same as using ceramics on a tile floor; the tile on it's own would be incapable of withstanding the weight of a person, but with concrete and dirt underneath it, is able ot redirect the energy without breaking, and protecting the material beneath it from minor damage that would be sustained over time. Also known as special armor, various forms of ceramic armor of this style exist.

Angled armored, or sloped armor can help increase armor resistance, by virtually increasing the thickness of the armor. This works better with steel than ceramics, but at the angle of impact, a larger angle of steel or metal armor will behave as if thicker armor. Sometimes the entire vehicle is sloped to achieve this effect, and other times the surface of the armor is sloped, to allow for the vehicle to have flat sides but a greater slope from the side. A 45 degree slope increases the effectiveness by approximately 40%, while a 30 degree slope increases the effectiveness by nearly double, and a 20 degree slope nearly triples the effectiveness. This also has the tendency to increase the chance of deflection, which further protects the armor.

Spaced armor is effectively armor which is spaced out. The spacing allows the energy of a round or explosive to defuse, or to disrupt a shaped charged jet of a shaped charge weapon, or the explosive force in general like with a SQUASH warhead. Most explosive weapons detonate on contact with the outer armor, and thus if the outside of the armor is raised above the inside, the explosive can be detonated prematurely, thus dissipating the explosive shock force before it comes in contact with the primary armor. As shaped charge weapons need to detonate at a particular distance from the armor to work correctly, this further reduces their power, and almost completely stops weapons such as SQUASH warheads. Armor piercing rounds are more likely to tumble and fragment, and weapons such as incendiary armor piercing rounds burn up their incendiary material on the first later, dissipating before coming in contact with the second layer. Spaced armor also allows the outside armor to be replaced, added or remove, so it it succumbs to repeated impacts and suffers damage, it can be easily replaced. Tank armor which is homogeneous might suffer multiple shots in the same spot from small arms, weakening it over time and necessitating costly repairs to the entire armor structure, or simply be impossible to repair in the field. With modular armor that can be replaced, if damage is induced to the armor it is easy to simple bolt or weld on a new piece, thus protecting it from future damage. Semiperforated armor is armor that does not have complete holes in it, instead having holes dug in to the armor, but only on one side, with thinner amount in between the holes.



Spaced Armor

60 pounds per square foot - 18 tons for 600 square feet

Outer layer weight- 10 pounds
.64 inches of Titanium angled perforated armor (10 pounds)
Ceramic outercoating*

Sufficient to stop a .50 caliber round


3rd layer- 20 pounds
.64 inches of Titanium of semi-perforated armor (10 pounds)
6 pounds of Dyneema, 4 pounds of Ceramic (10 pounds)

Sufficient with previous armor to stop higher velocity rounds, or explosive or incendiary rounds



3rd layer- 30 pounds
.64 inches of Titanium of semi-perforated armor (10 pounds)
12 pounds of Dyneema, 8 pounds of Ceramic (20 pounds)

Sufficient with previous armor to stop higher velocity rounds, or explosive or incendiary rounds


Sufficient with previous armor to stop higher velocity rounds, or spaced armor rounds
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Hangar 2: Ground Based Vechiles

 
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