Water of Fenri
Garland-Green
Water of Fenri
See, as I'm learning more and more about the actual translations of the Bible from Hebrew and Greek into English, I'm realizing that so many things are mis-translated, taken out of context, and/or translated with a bias against certain groups. (Including but not limited to homosexuals)
Are you thinking about words like
arsenokoitai? If you want input on the subject it would help us to contribute if you substantiated your claim with examples. ^_^
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The Meaning behind ArsenokoitesI'm not. The issue is that "homosexual" is a relatively modern term, as is the modern understanding of homosexuality, and the subculture therein.
This is a neat resource that goes back to the ancient Hebrews and such. I've been reading it for a class I'm taking.
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In comparison with other ancient legal codes, Mosaic law was relatively lenient — it listed a mere 36 crimes which were punishable by death. But of these 36 crimes, exactly one half were "crimes" involving sex, so in contrast to other legal systems the Hebrews gradually extended the notion of "crime" into the personal and private affairs of people rather than limiting it to the social and public level (such as the public crimes of murder or theft). Further, there rather quickly evolved the notion that crime and sex were intimately related. Unlike their contemporary Greek, Egyptian, and other civilizations, the Hebrews held the view that sex, the sex organs, and nudity were shameful..
Here's the core issue. He doesn't see that crimes go beyond stealing or murder.That sexuality also have to be expressed in a godly way.That there is a standard of sexuality beyond what contemporary society dictates to be right. I don't believe it was so much a reaction to sex organs, or nudity by contemporary civilizations as God working through a nation to show the surrounding nations His will.
Hebrews 1:1
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,
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In Leviticus 18.6-19 there are as many as 12 prohibitions relating entirely to nakedness ("Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy father"; "Thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy aunt"; etc.) and most of the other death-deserving laws occur in the context of condemning "the uncovering of one's nakedness," whether for erotic purposes or not. In Exodus 20.26 and 28.42 nakedness is forbidden within the precinct of their cult deity, Jahweh or Jehovah, and the priests of Jahweh are commanded to wear linen breeches (the ephod): "from the loins even unto the thighs they shall reach."
Posting Leviticus 18:6-19
Leviticus 18New International Version (NIV)
Unlawful Sexual Relations
18 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the Lord your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the person who obeys them will live by them. I am the Lord.
6 “‘No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the Lord.
7 “‘Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.
8 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s wife; that would dishonor your father.
9 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.
10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.
11 “‘Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father’s wife, born to your father; she is your sister.
12 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your father’s sister; she is your father’s close relative.
13 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your mother’s sister, because she is your mother’s close relative.
14 “‘Do not dishonor your father’s brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.
15 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son’s wife; do not have relations with her.
16 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your brother’s wife; that would dishonor your brother.
17 “‘Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.
18 “‘Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.
19 “‘Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.
20 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife and defile yourself with her.
21 “‘Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molek, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the Lord.
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
23 “‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.
24 “‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.
29 “‘Everyone who does any of these detestable things—such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the Lord your God.’”
God gives a very good reason why not to do these things; This is the way the surrounding nations are defiling themselves and even their land was defiled because of their actions. It was the reason He was giving Israel their land. These nations are gone, they have been judged. In context of the list and in a modernized language (thanks to the NIV) you can see that uncovering nakedness means having sexual relations.
Exodus 20:26
And do not go up to my altar on steps, lest your nakedness be exposed on it.'
He is reading the verse with his worldview goggles. The focus here is on the steps. Not to go up to God's altar on steps. No steps should lead up to the altar. The nakedness is sin.
Another example of nakedness used as an image for sin;
Revelation 3:17
You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
Revelation 16:15
"Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed."
Galatians 3:27
for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
God sets the standard of what to wear when coming in His presence. Perhaps a picture of the covering we receive that covers our guilt when we believe in Christ so that we are able to come to Him and "not incur guilt and die " (Exodus 28:43)?
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