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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:03 pm
I just want to know what everyone here believes the answer is.
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:32 am
The age of the earth is actually silent in the Bible. Though some Christians believe the earth is 6,000 years old, evidence supports an older earth and older universe. I believe the world is a couple million years old but not made by chance. The Earth Looks OldAvoiding A Dangerous TrapQuote: Occam's razor was formulated by William of Occam (1285-1349) and says: "Non est ponenda pluralites sive necessitate" or in English: "Do not multiply entities unless necessarily". It is a principle for scientific labor which means that one should use a simple explanation with a few explanatory premises before a more complex one. Let's say that everything must be created, and that was done by an omnipotent God. A God which stands above time, space, moral and existence, which is self containing and in himself has his own cause. This entity can surely be replaced by the known world. The world stands above time, space, moral, existence, is self containing and in it has it's own meaning. Occam's razor is actually a good argument for the existence of God. I will explain shortly. Contrary to the statements above, the universe cannot replace God as explanation for its own existence. The universe is finite in both size and time. The universe had a beginning in finite time at the moment of the Big Bang. How did this universe decide to create itself? How did the universe design itself with physical laws and parameters exactly fine tuned to support life? The laws of physics are designed with such precision that it is almost inconceivable that they could be the result of chance. For example, take the ratio of the number of electrons to protons. This ratio must be exactly equal to one to one to better than one part in 1037 (10 to the 37th power, or "1" followed by 37 zeros), otherwise electromagnetic forces would have superseded gravitational forces and no galaxies, stars or planets would have ever formed in the entire history of the universe. The likelihood of this occurring by chance is described below: One part in 1037 is such an incredibly sensitive balance that it is hard to visualize. The following analogy might help: Cover the entire North American continent in dimes all the way up to the moon, a height of about 239,000 miles (In comparison, the money to pay for the U.S. federal government debt would cover one square mile less than two feet deep with dimes.). Next, pile dimes from here to the moon on a billion other continents the same size as North America. Paint one dime red and mix it into the billion of piles of dimes. Blindfold a friend and ask him to pick out one dime. The odds that he will pick the red dime are one in 1037.11 Other constants of physics, such as the expansion rate of the universe, are fine-tuned even more delicately, as small as one part in 1055. Random chance does not design such a well-crafted universe. All the atheistic explanations for such an exquisitely defined universe require the presence of trillions of other universes, of which ours is the one which happened, by chance, to have the exact physics required for the formation of galaxies, stars and planets. Therefore the atheistic explanation actually goes against Occam's razor since it requires some mechanism by which universes can sprout from some super universe and randomly change their laws of physics. If one were to calculate the number of universes required, by chance, to have the exact physics required for the formation of galaxies, stars and planets, it would exceed 1010000 (talk about multiplying entities!). The mechanism by which physical laws could randomly evolve would add further complexity. Design by an intelligent designer is obviously a much simpler explanation. Check these papers for some of the other parameters for both the universe and our planet, which are designed to exact standards. The statement that "the world stands above time" is false. The universe stands within time, having come into existence at time = 0. See Stephen Hawking, A Brief History of Time. "Most theists agree that God has a nature. Then we must raise the question, who created God's nature? If we just accept that God has a nature and exists without a cause, why not say that the known world just is and that the laws of physics are what they are, without a cause?" God is uncreated, therefore His nature is just as eternal as He is. Although it is possible the universe and the physical laws could exist without a cause, 1 in 1010000 is not exactly what one would call good betting odds. It would be much more likely that your car's engine would thermodynamically reverse itself (i.e., freeze solid instead of warm up) every time you started it. -Rich Deem
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:50 pm
thats good, I didn't come onto here the bash any beliefs. I really won't bash anyone's answer, I just am doing my own personal survey on a theist's perception on the age of the earth. I do not mean to offend in any way
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:21 pm
justadude7357 thats good, I didn't come onto here the bash any beliefs. I really won't bash anyone's answer, I just am doing my own personal survey on a theist's perception on the age of the earth. I do not mean to offend in any way Hey, no problem.
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:23 pm
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Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:40 am
I believe that the Bible gives clues on how old the Earth is. I did research numerous times in Genesis to find the timeline, mainly in Genesis 5 and 11. I plotted a timeline from Adam to Abraham. I am still currently working on it, but in Matthew 1, it listed 42 - 48 generations from Abraham to Jesus. And I noticed that after Abraham, the lifespan grew a lot shorter. So right now, my belief is that the world is 6,000 years old. Not from a Church or anyone else says, but what the Bible is leading towards that conclusion.
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 3:38 pm
Yet there are paintings on the walls of caves that date back much further than that. Some even 40,000 years.
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:14 pm
Muffins and Teacups Yet there are paintings on the walls of caves that date back much further than that. Some even 40,000 years. Can you prove that they were there 40,000 years ago without being told by someone?
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:17 pm
Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God Muffins and Teacups Yet there are paintings on the walls of caves that date back much further than that. Some even 40,000 years. Can you prove that they were there 40,000 years ago without being told by someone? Can you prove that the earth is what you believe it to be without using the bible which was written by someone else, henceforth you being told by someone?
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:19 pm
Muffins and Teacups Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God Muffins and Teacups Yet there are paintings on the walls of caves that date back much further than that. Some even 40,000 years. Can you prove that they were there 40,000 years ago without being told by someone? Can you prove that the earth is what you believe it to be without using the bible which was written by someone else, henceforth you being told by someone? Actually, yes I can. First of all.... How can fossils from the sea ended up over 20,000 feet above sea level?
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:22 pm
Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God Muffins and Teacups Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God Muffins and Teacups Yet there are paintings on the walls of caves that date back much further than that. Some even 40,000 years. Can you prove that they were there 40,000 years ago without being told by someone? Can you prove that the earth is what you believe it to be without using the bible which was written by someone else, henceforth you being told by someone? Actually, yes I can. First of all.... How can fossils from the sea ended up over 20,000 feet above sea level? Tide's. And it probably wasn't that deep when they came onto land. The earth gets bigger and bigger. If everyone in the world died, in a couple of thousand-million years, the soil and rocks would be covering up our houses. So, the water then wasnt as deep as it is now.
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:26 pm
Muffins and Teacups Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God Muffins and Teacups Saved_by_the_Grace_of_God Muffins and Teacups Yet there are paintings on the walls of caves that date back much further than that. Some even 40,000 years. Can you prove that they were there 40,000 years ago without being told by someone? Can you prove that the earth is what you believe it to be without using the bible which was written by someone else, henceforth you being told by someone? Actually, yes I can. First of all.... How can fossils from the sea ended up over 20,000 feet above sea level? Tide's. And it probably wasn't that deep when they came onto land. The earth gets bigger and bigger. If everyone in the world died, in a couple of thousand-million years, the soil and rocks would be covering up our houses. So, the water then wasnt as deep as it is now. Evolution would not permit this. Let's take a look at one of the parts of the Evolutionary theory. There was a continent, called Pangaea (I think that it is spelled right). It split and over millions of years, it formed the continents we now have. But there are major flaws in that theory. No tide can reach the mountain tops, including Mt. Everest.
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Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 4:44 pm
Here is the exact time frame from Adam to Jesus. AdamSeth Enos Cainan Mahalaleel Jared Enoch Methuselah Lamech Noah Shem Arphaxad Salah Eber Peleg Reu Serug Nahor Terah AbrahamIsaac Jacob Judas Phares Esrom Aram Aminadab Naasson Salmon Booz of Rachab Obed of Ruth Jesse David the kingSolomon Roboam Abia Asa Josaphat Joram Ozias Joatham Achaz Ezekias Manasses Amon Josias Jechonias Salathiel Zorobabel Abiud Eliakim Azor Sadoc Achim Eliud Eleazar Matthan Jacob Joseph the husband of Mary Jesus, who is called Christ So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:17
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