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 Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:47 am
I love taking advantage of technology and removing some of the guesswork in making art. By combining different programs I'm able to create things that would have taken decades of practice to draw or paint.
But to some, using the computer is like "cheating" as it can take a lot of the process of making art out of your hands.
One problem I've experienced is going through it all too fast, letting my hands outrun my brain and not taking the time to think about it.
Contrarywise, being able to change things so easily allows you to explore different compositions and ideas.
I think what it comes down to is...
Is it about the process
or the end result?
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:41 pm
"Real life art" is not only the result but also the process, an artwork aint always what it is, its the skill level to make it into what it is! its craftmanship smile
Personally I would value something i can touch, feel, and see more then something that migth disappear in a computer crash or easily stolen though a prnt screen.
I dont see computer art as cheating thou, but less valuable.
Some art on the computer needs alot of skill to make, just as you would in real life.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:33 pm
I don't see it that way at all actually, and I find it almost insulting when people do. There are DIFFERENT skill sets neccesary for both digital and trradtitional art. There are different processes one must go through. I work mainly in a digital media, and I take just as longn my digital pieces, and find it to be as much if not more of a learning process then my tradtional work. Anyone who views digitalart as cheating should be sat down with a copy of photoshop, and told to reporduce their favorite traditional peice. It is NOT easy, and its certainly not less valuable. Telling a digital artist their work is less valuable because they created it on a computer might as well be like telling them that they shouldn't bother with it at all.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 5:36 pm
I just see it as a different medium, in which it would be stupid to try and argue which is better.
Like, I guess it's like asking if watercolor is better than chalk. It's just a different medium, a good artist will make something amazing on either.
So digital art is just as significant as original medium art is. You may be able to use a line tool to get your lines perfect on the computer, but you can also use a ruler to make straight lines on paper.
I dont see it as anything different.
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:19 pm
hmm well I sometimes see drawing on the computer a little like cheating the process sometimes. For instance I sometimes find myself drawing a real life portrait and wishing I had access to layers, or my control + alt delete button or even my transform tool. To be easily able to copy and past things is a really big advantage as well... The impact working on the computer may have compared to working in a traditional manor is the margin for mistakes. I find that when we work on the computer its easy... really easy to make a mistake and just delete that layer or undo the brush stroke we did and start over again... however in real life, a mistake like that will coast you a lot of work, if not ruin your image... When you work in a real life medium, your margin of error is not as large. Not thinking before you do your brush stroke can coast you hours of work, and learning to fix your problems for me, is part of the learning experience...
I also find working in a cg medium more fast than a traditional methode. I'm not saying a traditional medium is better than cg, I'm a cg artist myself. But I do find doing a painting in real is a lot more time consuming than doing a painting on the computer. The reason I say that is for many different factors... one, when your working on the computer, lets face it, you don't have to wait for the paint to dry before working on the next step XD.... also like I mentioned earlier, if you make a mistake its no problem, you can quickly delete the layer or undo your brush stroke and continue working were in real life, a splotch of paint in the wrong place will coast you LOADS of time to fix it, if it didn't ruin the image to start off with.
On a computer if you had a drawing of a character and a scenery behind them, and later found that your arm needed to be shorter or something like that... nothing stops you from just selecting the entier arm and shrinking it, and continuing with your work... were in a traditional medium, not only will shrinking your hand coast you loads of work to rescale your arm but unlike the computer your background isen't on a different layer, and there for everything behind the arm that was reajusted needs to be corrected.
Another fun thing that you can do in cg that you don't necessairaly have the luxury in doing in a traditional paintings is something associated to colours... Now by this I mean when your colouring in your cg painting programe you quickly have access to ALL the colours you need to paint with, You don't need to go throught the trouble of mixing all your colours a head of time in order to paint... all the hues and saturated forms of that colour are available at a click of a button, and if you should ever need to continue your painting another day, you just have to save your work, come back and select pick the colour to get the exact same colour you want to continue painting... In real life not only can you not tweek your hue and saturation as your painting at your will if your colour is not the right saturations you want... but you have to manually go blending other colours together before you can start painting. If you run out of paint half way through or try to continue it the next day and the paints harden during the night and its no more good to use, then CRAPPY-OHs in capital letters XD. I don't know if anyone heres tryed comming up with the exact same combination of paint mixtures from one blend to the other but if you started painting a face and ran out of the colour you blended together, trying to get the same colour again is Extremely Difficult. >.<
For me traditional paintings and stuff of that sorts is harder, more time consuming and b#t&h to correct if ever you screw up. A lot less tools and methodes of work are available to you, compaired to when your working on the computer. And for that reason I find it not necessaraly cheating, but deffinitly more difficult.
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:44 am
castrillo I just see it as a different medium, in which it would be stupid to try and argue which is better. Like, I guess it's like asking if watercolor is better than chalk. It's just a different medium, a good artist will make something amazing on either. So digital art is just as significant as original medium art is. You may be able to use a line tool to get your lines perfect on the computer, but you can also use a ruler to make straight lines on paper. I dont see it as anything different. I completely agree with Castrillo. It's just another medium. I think both digital and traditional art takes equal amounts of time and effort depending on how skilled you are with that medium. For example if you took someone who's only ever painted digitally for years and gave them a traditional brush, I'm sure they would struggle with the tools just as much as someone who's only ever painted traditional for years would if given a computer drawing program. If you use a medium long enough and with enough skill, I think you will always pick up shortcuts for getting effects/doing things quicker/find ways to make things easier. I can see where Kai_Chi is coming from in that it's easier to undo certain mistakes on computer but if you forget to switch layers when digital painting and paint alot of the image on one layer and you only notice after you painted quite a bit and have already pressed save (my friend does this alot ^^;; ) mistakes can be just as difficult to fix as it would have been if they did it traditionally. I'm not sure I agree about the colour palette availability, because some traditional artists I watch on DA have huge collections of colours and they know exactly what they need, where it is and how to make it. However I do think it is waaay easier to change the saturation/hue/brightness/etc of a colour if it's slightly off for digital art than it is for traditional art (for obvious reasons) ....well as long as you remember to have them on separate layers... tl;dr I think both digital and traditional painting, are equally difficult. And are both different mediums so it's difficult to compare.
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:22 am
oh really : 3 its really easy in photoshop I just select the layer I want or select all my layers and put a modifier on it, and click hue and saturation, and then I can slide my hue and saturations how ever I'd like after. Granted I was talking from a photoshop point of vue, perhaps in another programe changes like this would not be so easy.
As for not working on layers, granted it would cause you the same problems... however the fact that you could work on layers, and most people do work on layers when working on a computer is a huge advantage. You couldn't get anything like that in a traditional medium even if you wanted, the choice isen't even available, so for me the problem is still largely there.
For the colours yes, you can buy custome colours and have a huge veriety : 3 But, theres still many things that you need to take into consideration. One the colour yous see when you apply the paint wet is not exactly the same colour you'll get when its dry. Even with top end quality paints this happens but its not something you have to deal with when working on a computer because the colour is always the same. Also having a huge colour colection at your disposal is very coastly... very.... specially if you work with quality paints. It is possible to buy all the paints you need for a painting, but the price tag it has... I'm pretty sure a lot of them blend some of there colours together to make there blues a little darker or lighter Instead of buying 3 bottles of paint for each colour tone they want to apply in their painting... and thats when the problem emerges. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:23 am
To be honest, I find it to be quite immature when people declare that painting on a computer is 'cheating'. It just makes me think of all those kids who declare that the only reason their art isn't amazing is because they don't have photoshop and a tablet, and that stunning digital art is just the result of cheap tricks.
Obviously, I know no-one here's saying that, but that's always what it makes me think. Like any medium, it has the things that make it easier than others, and the things that make it harder, simple as. It took me years to work out how to make digital paintings look anything less than dead, because of the lack of natural variation and texture, the difficulty in blending colours together smoothly. There are all sorts of elements of computer painting that you don't have to worry about in traditional media, and vice versa.
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:51 am
@kai_chi
Yeah I know about just clicking the slider for hue,etc is really easy in PS/most programs. (I'm not really a digital or traditional painter, so I'm only talking from watching my friend paint) The human error factor is still there, sure most people use layers but only if they remember to paint on to separate layers, I think it's pretty easy to get into a painting and forget to switch layers. Having layers is an advantage over traditional but only if your remember to use them?
I think mixing paints traditionally is the same problem as if you tried to colour pick the exact same colour you used for a previous piece (say if you missed a spot, and the colour you did use was used using a lower opacity or if you've already flattened your previous art)
I still think digital and traditional painting are both equally hard (but that might just be because I suck at both of them)
(p.s. I'm not offending you am I? Coz if it sounds rude I don't mean to.... *is always paranoid about sounding like a jerk* )
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:57 am
hellosara To be honest, I find it to be quite immature when people declare that painting on a computer is 'cheating'. It just makes me think of all those kids who declare that the only reason their art isn't amazing is because they don't have photoshop and a tablet, and that stunning digital art is just the result of cheap tricks.
Obviously, I know no-one here's saying that, but that's always what it makes me think. Like any medium, it has the things that make it easier than others, and the things that make it harder, simple as. It took me years to work out how to make digital paintings look anything less than dead, because of the lack of natural variation and texture, the difficulty in blending colours together smoothly. There are all sorts of elements of computer painting that you don't have to worry about in traditional media, and vice versa. I totally agree with you and I couldn't have said it better
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:44 am
demon blurry eyes @kai_chiYeah I know about just clicking the slider for hue,etc is really easy in PS/most programs. (I'm not really a digital or traditional painter, so I'm only talking from watching my friend paint) The human error factor is still there, sure most people use layers but only if they remember to paint on to separate layers, I think it's pretty easy to get into a painting and forget to switch layers. Having layers is an advantage over traditional but only if your remember to use them? I think mixing paints traditionally is the same problem as if you tried to colour pick the exact same colour you used for a previous piece (say if you missed a spot, and the colour you did use was used using a lower opacity or if you've already flattened your previous art) I still think digital and traditional painting are both equally hard (but that might just be because I suck at both of them) (p.s. I'm not offending you am I? Coz if it sounds rude I don't mean to.... *is always paranoid about sounding like a jerk* ) no no offence taken : 3 as you can see lots of people have the same point of vue, I just thought I'd point out some of the disadvantages traditional art has compaired to cg work
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:18 am
I'm a great painter in real life, but when it comes to digital painting I make a complete mess of it. xDDD
taking that aside, it's a different medium. As a graphic designer, I use a computer all the time, and not only to paint, but to set letters, make logos, etcetera. it often makes the whole creating art process easier, but that doesn't mean the quality of art is less. That's not the computer's fault, but your own.
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:04 pm
i still need skills even tho i have photoshop.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:19 pm
i do about the same on digital as i do traditional when it comes to the drawing, but when i color oh god is there a big difference. the layers certainly help and being able to have all the colors in the world on a scale is awesome too, it makes it more broad, so its just another medium to me, but i personally prefer to work with digital ^-^ but i do love it when people can make something amazing with traditional.
the undo button is my lover~
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:39 pm
I wouldn't say it's "cheating" nowadays people use digital media so much it's become like traditional media. I don't use it very often, only to clean up drawings i've scanned. I'm not so good at drawing with digital media yet.
Digital media does give you allot of advantages for art though. There's so many brushes and affects, it's not really cheating, it's more like an advancement to modern day art.
But some people do take advantage of digital media. It's allot easier to steal people's work, and manipulate it to there own. Whereas with traditional media you couldn't do that so easily.
So there are downsides to digital media.
But to sum it all up, it really isn't cheating when you really think about it.
I think it's a great advancement to technology AND art.
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