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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:20 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:26 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:53 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:10 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:00 pm
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Quote: - When someone spends hours and time to make a beautiful garment that fits all the parameters of what is lolita (proper fabric, lace, shape, etc) just to be ridiculed because it isn't brand. Open your eyes and see what a beautiful couture garment it is.
I got into a fight with someone at PMX about this.
I have seriously never, NEVER EVER, heard ANYONE make fun of a girl wearing a well-made, proper handsewn dress. Seriously, it is major props for girls with that sort of skill. Maybe this is just me, maybe I've never heard of it before; maybe it has happened, somewhere, sometime ONCE.
I think this may be a misinterpretation of the praise "it looks just like brand!" which is supposed to be complementing the seamstress's work, not demeaning it by saying "it's nice but not brand". Those two statements are completely unrelated.
The other thing, too:
ANTI-brandwhores. You're not a special snowflake for deciding to never wear or buy brand- just the SAME WAY that brandwhores are not special snowflakes for spending thousands on ONLY brand items.
Also, WHINERS saying that they shouldn't be "expected" to buy brand because it's so expensive. You're not expected to. Everyone, in some way, works really hard for the brand they get. Don't demean other people's saving skills. I saved most of my money from part-time jobs in high school to get my first brand outfit. So, don't b***h that it's "too hard". You have to work for what you want.
END rant.
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:02 am
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Things that piss me off...
People who know what they're talking about not politely correcting and guiding newbies to the right idea (be it which skirt to buy, how to make tea, the right way to role a RP character... I'm not just talking loli here. xd )
People who don't want the help but rather then politely saying "I'd rather do this myself this time, if i need help, i know where to look" being like "YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT FOR ME!"... at least provided the advice was handed to you politely.
People who don't wear coordinating shoes. I mean really, i know shoes are expensive/hard to find but...
People who criticize a little bit of difference in lolita. For example, my sister wears low heels with her loli, she likes the way it looks and looks for 'victorian inspired' shoes. It works well with her classic loli, and she's one of the first to admit its not standard loli. But does that really need to be in the first sentence? "Oh hi! I love your outfit, but whats up with those shoes? They aren't really loli, you know."
People saying the handmade lolita looks 'just like brand'. I try not to let it get me, but most of my loli is designed and sewn by me. To hear that it looks just like brand the first time you wear it out can be hard, even though i simply remind myself that its a compliment. Still, it would be nice if people said "I don't recognize the dress, what brand is it?" or something similar. This one doesn't bother me too much, but i thought i'd throw it out there.
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:47 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:03 pm
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C a t h a r s i s Quote: - When someone spends hours and time to make a beautiful garment that fits all the parameters of what is lolita (proper fabric, lace, shape, etc) just to be ridiculed because it isn't brand. Open your eyes and see what a beautiful couture garment it is. I got into a fight with someone at PMX about this. I have seriously never, NEVER EVER, heard ANYONE make fun of a girl wearing a well-made, proper handsewn dress. Seriously, it is major props for girls with that sort of skill. Maybe this is just me, maybe I've never heard of it before; maybe it has happened, somewhere, sometime ONCE. I think this may be a misinterpretation of the praise "it looks just like brand!" which is supposed to be complementing the seamstress's work, not demeaning it by saying "it's nice but not brand". Those two statements are completely unrelated. .
It's definitely good that it doesn't happen all that often and I never meant to imply that it is a common occurrence. However, seeing how I have witnessed it happen and not in the manner you speak of. Fore example agirl made a beautiful dress (very sweet and albeit a bit over the top) and another girl made the remark that she had never seen it before. When the girl said that she made it herself the other just yelled at her saying how the seamstress wished she could buy baby and AP, how she wished she could afford it but couldn't, how no "real lolita" ever makes her own clothes (which we all know is ridiculous), etc and just told her it wasn't lolita because it wasn't brand. Now obviously as you have said it is indeed the highest level of praise to say that it is of comparable quality to brand. I'm just saying that those lolita who make the unfortunate choice to belittle the work of another person simply because they don't own Japanese brand is unfortunate. Even if the rude girl was wrong in pretty much everything she said, it doesn't stop the seamstresses feelings from being hurt and that's what bothers me.
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:48 am
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KimChi Panda C a t h a r s i s Quote: - When someone spends hours and time to make a beautiful garment that fits all the parameters of what is lolita (proper fabric, lace, shape, etc) just to be ridiculed because it isn't brand. Open your eyes and see what a beautiful couture garment it is. I got into a fight with someone at PMX about this. I have seriously never, NEVER EVER, heard ANYONE make fun of a girl wearing a well-made, proper handsewn dress. Seriously, it is major props for girls with that sort of skill. Maybe this is just me, maybe I've never heard of it before; maybe it has happened, somewhere, sometime ONCE. I think this may be a misinterpretation of the praise "it looks just like brand!" which is supposed to be complementing the seamstress's work, not demeaning it by saying "it's nice but not brand". Those two statements are completely unrelated. .
It's definitely good that it doesn't happen all that often and I never meant to imply that it is a common occurrence. However, seeing how I have witnessed it happen and not in the manner you speak of. Fore example agirl made a beautiful dress (very sweet and albeit a bit over the top) and another girl made the remark that she had never seen it before. When the girl said that she made it herself the other just yelled at her saying how the seamstress wished she could buy baby and AP, how she wished she could afford it but couldn't, how no "real lolita" ever makes her own clothes (which we all know is ridiculous), etc and just told her it wasn't lolita because it wasn't brand. Now obviously as you have said it is indeed the highest level of praise to say that it is of comparable quality to brand. I'm just saying that those lolita who make the unfortunate choice to belittle the work of another person simply because they don't own Japanese brand is unfortunate. Even if the rude girl was wrong in pretty much everything she said, it doesn't stop the seamstresses feelings from being hurt and that's what bothers me. Fair enough, but I have heard several girls mention this occurring in the past. I think some people are under the impression that it DOES happen often, and it's true that it is not the case.
Well, that's different. D: I guess you get a few crazies at every con/meetup, but seriously... why would you say that to the person? That's just plain stupid, not to mention rude.
If I ever heard that happen I would go up to the girl who was yelling and slap her. It doesn't matter the context. You just don't do that.
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:14 am
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C a t h a r s i s KimChi Panda C a t h a r s i s Quote: - When someone spends hours and time to make a beautiful garment that fits all the parameters of what is lolita (proper fabric, lace, shape, etc) just to be ridiculed because it isn't brand. Open your eyes and see what a beautiful couture garment it is. I got into a fight with someone at PMX about this. I have seriously never, NEVER EVER, heard ANYONE make fun of a girl wearing a well-made, proper handsewn dress. Seriously, it is major props for girls with that sort of skill. Maybe this is just me, maybe I've never heard of it before; maybe it has happened, somewhere, sometime ONCE. I think this may be a misinterpretation of the praise "it looks just like brand!" which is supposed to be complementing the seamstress's work, not demeaning it by saying "it's nice but not brand". Those two statements are completely unrelated. .
It's definitely good that it doesn't happen all that often and I never meant to imply that it is a common occurrence. However, seeing how I have witnessed it happen and not in the manner you speak of. Fore example agirl made a beautiful dress (very sweet and albeit a bit over the top) and another girl made the remark that she had never seen it before. When the girl said that she made it herself the other just yelled at her saying how the seamstress wished she could buy baby and AP, how she wished she could afford it but couldn't, how no "real lolita" ever makes her own clothes (which we all know is ridiculous), etc and just told her it wasn't lolita because it wasn't brand. Now obviously as you have said it is indeed the highest level of praise to say that it is of comparable quality to brand. I'm just saying that those lolita who make the unfortunate choice to belittle the work of another person simply because they don't own Japanese brand is unfortunate. Even if the rude girl was wrong in pretty much everything she said, it doesn't stop the seamstresses feelings from being hurt and that's what bothers me. Fair enough, but I have heard several girls mention this occurring in the past. I think some people are under the impression that it DOES happen often, and it's true that it is not the case. Well, that's different. D: I guess you get a few crazies at every con/meetup, but seriously... why would you say that to the person? That's just plain stupid, not to mention rude. If I ever heard that happen I would go up to the girl who was yelling and slap her. It doesn't matter the context. You just don't do that.
I know right??? And of course the girl who made the dress knew the other girl was a complete nutter, but it didn't stop it from hurting her and worst is it made her doubt her work and consider for even a moment that maybe the other girl was right and it just wasn't good enough. Of course every other sane person convinced her that her work was fantastic but yea. If that was a common occurrence... *shudders at the thought* I think most of the people there were just to shocked to slap the yelling girl, it was like made for tv lolita drama level of yelling.
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Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:13 pm
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C a t h a r s i s Quote: - When someone spends hours and time to make a beautiful garment that fits all the parameters of what is lolita (proper fabric, lace, shape, etc) just to be ridiculed because it isn't brand. Open your eyes and see what a beautiful couture garment it is. I got into a fight with someone at PMX about this. I have seriously never, NEVER EVER, heard ANYONE make fun of a girl wearing a well-made, proper handsewn dress. Seriously, it is major props for girls with that sort of skill. Maybe this is just me, maybe I've never heard of it before; maybe it has happened, somewhere, sometime ONCE.
So a girl was looked down because her dress was not a brand? Or what the fight about something else?
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:59 pm
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firelily808 C a t h a r s i s Quote: - When someone spends hours and time to make a beautiful garment that fits all the parameters of what is lolita (proper fabric, lace, shape, etc) just to be ridiculed because it isn't brand. Open your eyes and see what a beautiful couture garment it is. I got into a fight with someone at PMX about this. I have seriously never, NEVER EVER, heard ANYONE make fun of a girl wearing a well-made, proper handsewn dress. Seriously, it is major props for girls with that sort of skill. Maybe this is just me, maybe I've never heard of it before; maybe it has happened, somewhere, sometime ONCE. So a girl was looked down because her dress was not a brand? Or what the fight about something else?
Basically she was just yelled at for making her clothes period. Despite how beautiful they were she was chewed out for not buying them from a store which is so silly I still can't get over it.
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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:31 pm
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KimChi Panda firelily808 C a t h a r s i s Quote: - When someone spends hours and time to make a beautiful garment that fits all the parameters of what is lolita (proper fabric, lace, shape, etc) just to be ridiculed because it isn't brand. Open your eyes and see what a beautiful couture garment it is. I got into a fight with someone at PMX about this. I have seriously never, NEVER EVER, heard ANYONE make fun of a girl wearing a well-made, proper handsewn dress. Seriously, it is major props for girls with that sort of skill. Maybe this is just me, maybe I've never heard of it before; maybe it has happened, somewhere, sometime ONCE. So a girl was looked down because her dress was not a brand? Or what the fight about something else? Basically she was just yelled at for making her clothes period. Despite how beautiful they were she was chewed out for not buying them from a store which is so silly I still can't get over it.
How rude! I would stood up for that girl! That's no excuse to be mean! She must have worked really hard to make it!
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